The Bride of Christ

[Victoria]

Victoria, currently you are denying CHRIST's words/commands and now the Gospel!!!

#1 - JESUS says: "Immediately after the Tribulation...... I come and gather MY elect" = Matt ch24

I'm not among the scattered tribes of Israel. Ethnically speaking, I'm a Gentile. Jesus says Paul is my apostle.
Unless we're among the twelve scattered tribes, we're not the elect Jesus is speaking of.

The Gospel of the kingdom was for Israel to believe that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God.
John 3:16 means just that.

#2 - JESUS says: "I am taking the Kingdom away from the earthbound nation Israel and giving it to another nation that will bear the Fruit of the Kingdom = that nation is only found in Christ = Matthew 21:42-43

Taking it from apostate Israel, & giving it to future, born again Israel.

#3 - JESUS says: For God so loved the world(Jew & Gentile) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes
in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

We're a spiritual Body purposed for the heavens, NOT a future born again nation on the earth.

Dear @Victoria, dispensation theology is of satan to divide the Body of Christ and to separate Jew from Gentile in Christ = run from it for it is based on lies from the Serpent

The topic in this thread is The Bride. I'm in no way denying the Gospel given by the apostle Paul for us today, 'nor am I denying the commands Jesus Himself had exclusively given Paul for us to obey today. I just know where I am, & where I'm not.

We're the Body of Christ, not a royal priesthood/an holy born again nation. Paul never mentions the Body of Christ being under the new covenant God will make w/ the house of Israel, & Judah.

Both Jew, & Gentile, ethnically speaking, are saved the same way today... by grace through faith, not under the law. That doesn't cause a split between Jew, & Gentile... it just means there's no middle wall of partition today separating Jew from Gentile.

 

[DavidTree]

I'm not among the scattered tribes of Israel. Ethnically speaking, I'm a Gentile. Jesus says Paul is my apostle.
Unless we're among the twelve scattered tribes, we're not the elect Jesus is speaking of.

The Gospel of the kingdom was for Israel to believe that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God.
John 3:16 means just that.

Taking it from apostate Israel, & giving it to future, born again Israel.

We're a spiritual Body purposed for the heavens, NOT a future born again nation on the earth.

The topic in this thread is The Bride. I'm in no way denying the Gospel given by the apostle Paul for us today, 'nor am I denying the commands Jesus Himself had exclusively given Paul for us to obey today. I just know where I am, & where I'm not.

We're the Body of Christ, not a royal priesthood/an holy born again nation. Paul never mentions the Body of Christ being under the new covenant God makes w/ the house of Israel, & the house of Judah.

Jesus says Paul is my apostle.
Unless we're among the twelve scattered tribes, we're not the elect Jesus is speaking of.

Victoria, you are being lied to by the false teachers/dispensation

#1 - The apostles are in Heaven.
The LORD JESUS CHRIST is the Apostle over all saints = Jew & Gentile
Hebrews 3:1 "Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus"

Unless we're among the twelve scattered tribes, we're not the elect Jesus is speaking of.

Another big LIE and a very SERIOUS one = you are denying CHRIST, His words and His Gospel for all nations

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

We're the Body of Christ, not a royal priesthood/an holy born again nation

The Body of Christ is the Nation HE gave the Kingdom to and all who are in CHRIST are a "holy people and royal priesthood"
1 Peter 2:4-5
Coming to Him/Christ as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Paul never mentions the Body of Christ being under the new covenant God

Another very serious and direct LIE from satan that you are under the spell of!!!

The Holy Spirit has this to say to you @Victoria = read Galatians

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

O foolish @Victoria and all dispensationlists! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth,

 

[Victoria]

The LORD JESUS CHRIST is the Apostle over all saints = Jew & Gentile

Yes, the Lord Jesus Christ is our final authority. Amen!

Jesus Christ wants us to follow Him through the apostle Paul.

The Conversion of Saul

"But the Lord said unto him [Ananias], Go thy way: for he [Saul of Tarsus "aka" Paul] is a chosen vessel unto me,
to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:" Acts 9:15

"For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:" Romans 11:13

"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." 1 Corinthians 11:1

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you
are the commandments of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 14:37

I'm doing just as I'm commanded to by the Lord Jesus Christ, & that's to follow Him through the apostle Paul.

Hebrews 3:1 "Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus"

The title of that epistle clearly states it's written to the HEBREWS. If you're Jewish, I can understand the confusion.
Which tribe do you believe you're from?

Another very serious and direct LIE from satan that you are under the spell of!!!

What verse(s) does Paul specifically state that the Body of Christ will be a royal priesthood/an holy born again nation?
If Paul doesn't state it, then it's false doctrine.

 

[DavidTree]

Yes, the Lord Jesus Christ is our final authority. Amen!

Jesus Christ wants us to follow Him through the apostle Paul.

The Conversion of Saul

"But the Lord said unto him [Ananias], Go thy way: for he [Saul of Tarsus "aka" Paul] is a chosen vessel unto me,
to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:" Acts 9:15

"For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:" Romans 11:13

"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." 1 Corinthians 11:1

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you
are the commandments of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 14:37


The title of that epistle clearly states it's written to the HEBREWS. If you're Jewish, I can understand the confusion.
Which tribe do you believe you're from?

What verse(s) does Paul specifically state that the Body of Christ will be a royal priesthood/an holy born again nation?
If Paul doesn't state it, then it's false doctrine.

Dear Victoria,
So much confusion you are in from the false teachers/dispensation.

the apostle Paul wants you to follow the Lord Jesus Christ
a.) "For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles,
b.) "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes,
for the Jew first and also for the Greek/Gentile."

I'm doing just as I'm commanded to by the Lord Jesus Christ, & that's to follow Him through the apostle Paul.

Victoria, you are denying both the Lord Jesus Christ and the words of the apostle Paul who wants you to follow Christ.

For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men,
as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:
that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body,
and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.

@Victoria, you just read here, from the apostle Paul, that Gentiles are "fellow heirs of the same Body"
There is only One Body of Christ where blood washed Jews and Gentiles are members of.

LISTEN to the HOLY SPIRIT speaking thru Paul - Ephesians 2:11-22
Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
But now in Christ Jesus you/Gentiles who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both(Jew & Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the Jew and Gentile, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.
For through Him both Jews and Gentiles have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Now, therefore, you Gentiles are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

 

[Victoria]

Dear Victoria,
So much confusion you are in from the false teachers/dispensation.

Were you able to find any verse(s) where Paul specifically says that we're a royal priesthood/an holy born again nation?

7 Reasons The Church Does Not Go Through The Great Tribulation

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Were you able to find any verse(s) where Paul specifically says that we're a royal priesthood/an holy born again nation?

7 Reasons The Church Does Not Go Through The Great Tribulation

Heavenly jerusalem
WHO is of Heavenly jerusalem . according to paul
who spoke of this
its the believers in Christ . Who is mother to us all .
Paul was a jew and he said MOTHER to us all .
SO i know you agree with that .
Now let us agree with this too
And i JOHN saw the HOLY CITY , NEW J ERUSALEM
coming down From GOD out of heaven
prepared as a BRIDE adorned for her husband .
WE are the BRIDE , every believer in CHRIST JESUS jew and gentile IS the BRIDE
IS the BODY is of the same KINGDOM
Men have been twisting things for years .
The KINGDOM of GOD is the KINGDOM of heaven .
ITs one KINGDOM , ONE BODY , ONE BRIDE , and it consists of the Believers IN CHRIST JESUS .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Victoria, you are being lied to by the false teachers/dispensation

#1 - The apostles are in Heaven.
The LORD JESUS CHRIST is the Apostle over all saints = Jew & Gentile
Hebrews 3:1 "Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus"


Another big LIE and a very SERIOUS one = you are denying CHRIST, His words and His Gospel for all nations

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.


The Body of Christ is the Nation HE gave the Kingdom to and all who are in CHRIST are a "holy people and royal priesthood"
1 Peter 2:4-5
Coming to Him/Christ as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.


Another very serious and direct LIE from satan that you are under the spell of!!!

The Holy Spirit has this to say to you @Victoria = read Galatians

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

O foolish @Victoria and all dispensationlists! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth,

Paul wrote about Heavenly Jerusalem to the church .
MOTHER to us all .
Now go to and behold revelation twenty one and verse two .
For JOHN saw the CITY , this NEW JERUSALEM coming out of Heaven
SHE was prepared AS A BRIDE adorned for her husband .
THAT My friend PROVES , as did the other scrips as well , WE the BELIEVERS , both jew and gentile
ARE THE BRIDE . OF the same BODY , OF the same KINGDOM OF GOD , WHICH IS THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN .
as you arleady KNOW . i just hope when victoria reads that she dont try and twist it too .

 

[Victoria]

Paul wrote about Heavenly Jerusalem to the church .
MOTHER to us all .
Now go to and behold revelation twenty one and verse two .
For JOHN saw the CITY , this NEW JERUSALEM coming out of Heaven
SHE was prepared AS A BRIDE adorned for her husband .
THAT My friend PROVES , as did the other scrips as well , WE the BELIEVERS , both jew and gentile
ARE THE BRIDE . OF the same BODY , OF the same KINGDOM OF GOD , WHICH IS THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN .
as you arleady KNOW . i just hope when victoria reads that she dont try and twist it too .

Hebrews 8:8-12 is a cross reference to an O.T. prophecy found in Jeremiah 31:31-34. Given the book of Hebrews had been penned post-crucifixion, the Body of Christ should also be mentioned in the New Covenant, no?


Parable of Ten Virgins (Tribulation)
Matthew 25:1-13

Marriage of the Lamb (Tribulation Saints)
Revelation 19:7-10
Revelation 20:4 <--- who made themselves ready here?

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Israel's Unfaithfulness Condemned
Hosea 2:1-13

Restoration of Israel
Hosea 2:14-23 <--- still yet future

"Therefore, behold, I will allure her [Israel], and bring her into the wilderness [Israel], and speak comfortably unto her. And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up [Israel] out of the land of Egypt. And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi [husband]; and shalt call me no more Baali [Baal]." Hosea 2:14-16

"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent... And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:14; 17

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Revelation 20:4

"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;" Acts 3:19 <--- hence why Israel needs to be "born again" as a nation

"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:13-14

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." Revelation 14:6-7


Promise of Restoration
Ezekiel 11:16-20; Amos 9:11-15

Israel to Be Renewed for His Name's Sake
Ezekiel 36:22-28

A New Covenant
Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-12

New Heavens and a New Earth
Isaiah 65:17-25; 2 Peter 3:10-16; Revelation 21


Bond and Free
(Gen 21:8–21; Isa 54:1 )

Galatians 4:21-31 in its context:
Allegorical lesson on how we're not under the law, but under grace.

"Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar."

"Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son [Law]: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman [Grace]."

"So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free."

 

[Victoria]

What is The Meaning of Romans Chapter 11?​

Romans chapter 11 is a profound and complex passage, rich in theological significance and deeply rooted in the history and future of both Israel and the Gentile believers. In this chapter, the Apostle Paul addresses the question of whether God has rejected His people, Israel, and he explores the relationship between Israel and the Gentiles in God's redemptive plan.

To understand Romans 11, it is essential to grasp the context of the preceding chapters. In Romans 9-11, Paul is dealing with the problem of Israel's unbelief and the inclusion of the Gentiles in God's salvation plan. He begins by expressing his deep sorrow over Israel's rejection of Christ (Romans 9:1-5) and explains that not all who are descended from Israel are part of the true Israel (Romans 9:6-8). He then goes on to discuss God's sovereignty in election and His mercy (Romans 9:14-24) and the righteousness that comes by faith (Romans 10).

In Romans 11, Paul continues this discussion by addressing the question of whether God has rejected His people. He answers this emphatically in the first verse:

"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin." Romans 11:1

Paul uses himself as an example to show that God has not rejected His people entirely. He is living proof that there is still a remnant of Israel who believe in Christ. This concept of a remnant is crucial to understanding the chapter. Paul explains that just as in the days of Elijah, when God preserved a remnant of 7,000 who had not bowed the knee to Baal (1 Kings 19:18), so too, at the present time, there is a remnant chosen by grace (Romans 11:2-5).

Paul then contrasts the remnant with the rest of Israel, who were hardened (Romans 11:7-10). This hardening is not total or permanent but serves a specific purpose in God's plan. It is a partial hardening that has come upon Israel until the full number of the Gentiles has come in (Romans 11:25). This idea introduces the concept of the "fullness of the Gentiles," which is a key theme in the chapter.

In verses 11-12, Paul raises another question: Did Israel stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Again, he answers emphatically:

"I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy." Romans 11:11

Paul explains that Israel's transgression (their rejection of Christ) has led to salvation for the Gentiles. This is part of God's mysterious and wise plan. The inclusion of the Gentiles is meant to provoke Israel to jealousy and ultimately lead to their salvation. Paul sees a future for Israel, where their acceptance will bring even greater blessings to the world:

"Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?" Romans 11:12

Paul then uses the metaphor of an olive tree to illustrate the relationship between Israel and the Gentiles (Romans 11:17-24). In this metaphor, the natural branches represent Israel, and the wild olive shoots represent the Gentiles. Some of the natural branches were broken off because of unbelief, and the wild shoots were grafted in among the remaining branches.

However, Paul warns the Gentile believers not to become arrogant or boastful about their position. They should remember that they do not support the root, but the root supports them (Romans 11:18). The root represents the patriarchs and the promises made to them. Paul cautions the Gentiles to continue in faith and not to be proud, for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare them either (Romans 11:20-21).

In verses 25-27, Paul reveals a mystery: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way, all Israel will be saved. This statement has been the subject of much debate and interpretation. Some understand "all Israel" to mean the collective nation of Israel in the future, while others interpret it as the total number of the elect, both Jew and Gentile. Regardless of the interpretation, the key point is that God's plan includes the salvation of Israel.

Paul concludes this section with a doxology, praising the wisdom and knowledge of God:

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen." Romans 11:33-36

This doxology reflects Paul's awe and wonder at God's redemptive plan. It acknowledges that God's ways are beyond human understanding and that His judgments are unsearchable. It is a fitting conclusion to a chapter that deals with the deep mysteries of God's dealings with Israel and the Gentiles.

In summary, Romans chapter 11 addresses the question of whether God has rejected Israel and explains the relationship between Israel and the Gentiles in God's redemptive plan. Paul emphasizes that God has not rejected His people entirely but has preserved a remnant chosen by grace. The hardening of Israel is partial and temporary, serving the purpose of bringing salvation to the Gentiles and ultimately leading to the salvation of Israel. The chapter highlights the wisdom and sovereignty of God in His redemptive plan and calls for humility and faith among both Jewish and Gentile believers.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Paul wrote about Heavenly Jerusalem to the church .
MOTHER to us all .
Now go to and behold revelation twenty one and verse two .
For JOHN saw the CITY , this NEW JERUSALEM coming out of Heaven
SHE was prepared AS A BRIDE adorned for her husband .
THAT My friend PROVES , as did the other scrips as well , WE the BELIEVERS , both jew and gentile
ARE THE BRIDE . OF the same BODY , OF the same KINGDOM OF GOD , WHICH IS THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN .
as you arleady KNOW . i just hope when victoria reads that she dont try and twist it too .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

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[civic]

DavidTree, I don't subscribe to the Replacement Theology position. It's just not scriptural.
The RCC is the Gentile form of Old Testament unbelieving Israel, btw.

Modern translations is where you're getting this "her/she" lie.
The apostle Paul, & the twelve, had different ministries w/ different messages.

"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." 1 Corinthians 12:27

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;" Ephesians 5:25

Gave Himself for IT, not HER. There's neither male nor FEMALE... & here in lies the confusion.
The Body of Christ = masculine ... something masculine cannot be a BRIDE.

Paul Defends His Apostleship

"Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."
2 Corinthians 11:1-2

Notice the theme here is Paul defending his apostleship, hence why he says "bear w/ me a little in my folly."
It's metaphorical, not a literal meaning we're the bride. He's specifically speaking doctrine-wise.
Otherwise, why put folly there?

Ephesians 5:22-32 is yet again metaphorical...

"This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." Ephesians 5:32

Nowhere does Paul mention us being in the new covanent God will make w/ the house of Israel, & Judah... nowhere!

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

The above verse should now make more sense to you, unless you continue to allow religion to corrupt your mind.
HE "aka" God, who now letteth will let, until HE "aka" the Body of Christ, be taken out of the way.

Once Satan, & his crew are tossed to the earth [Revelation 12], who will fill their positions in the heavens?
That there is the relevation of the mystery the apostle Paul wrote about. You have to rightly divide.

Amen !

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Amen !

There is only one body , one wife , one kingdom of GOD and of heaven
one peoples of GOD .
THE BELEIVING JEW and GENTILE whose faith BE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
THERE Is only one ISRAEL of GOD
upon whom both jews and gentiles are citizens of its heavenly Kingdom .
Here in america i am a citizen . thus i would be an american no longer just an alien living in america .
THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE ISRAEL
And its JERSUALEM is heavenly , its temple not built by the hands of men after the pattern of the true
BUT IS THE TRUE ITSELF , GOD and the lamb being the TEMPLE .
Be encouraged my friend . May those words sink deep within us . THE Country is heavenly
The city is heavenly , its temple heavenly . wherein both beleiving jew and gentile
abide spiritually as one IN CHRIST , thus ONE IN GOD .
Let us embrace the cross , let all our affections be above . TO the trenches for the hour is late .
As even paul once said Not all of israel is even OF ISRAEL . and that jewish born man
knew what he was talking about . TRENCH onwards in the LORD my freinds for the hour grows very late .
And the door will shut in an hour known to no man and WHEN IT DO , all outside
whether jew or gentile WILL WAIL . IT be JESUS preaching time to all .

 

[civic]

There is only one body , one wife , one kingdom of GOD and of heaven
one peoples of GOD .
THE BELEIVING JEW and GENTILE whose faith BE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
THERE Is only one ISRAEL of GOD
upon whom both jews and gentiles are citizens of its heavenly Kingdom .
Here in america i am a citizen . thus i would be an american no longer just an alien living in america .
THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE ISRAEL
And its JERSUALEM is heavenly , its temple not built by the hands of men after the pattern of the true
BUT IS THE TRUE ITSELF , GOD and the lamb being the TEMPLE .
Be encouraged my friend . May those words sink deep within us . THE Country is heavenly
The city is heavenly , its temple heavenly . wherein both beleiving jew and gentile
abide spiritually as one IN CHRIST , thus ONE IN GOD .
Let us embrace the cross , let all our affections be above . TO the trenches for the hour is late .
As even paul once said Not all of israel is even OF ISRAEL . and that jewish born man
knew what he was talking about . TRENCH onwards in the LORD my freinds for the hour grows very late .
And the door will shut in an hour known to no man and WHEN IT DO , all outside
whether jew or gentile WILL WAIL . IT be JESUS preaching time to all .

nope there is a physical Jew/Israel and their land in the middle east. God brought them back into their land which was prophecied so that the things that will soon take place with cause the Return of Christ at His 2nd Coming to destroy the enemies of Israel at the battle of Armegeddon.

I'm not going to quote all the scriptures for the above. You can believe it or deny it thats up to you. The great tribulation is for the Jews in their land who will recognize Him whom they have pierced as their Messiah when He destroys their enemies.

The above is why they rejected Him as their Messiah 2000 years ago because they knew the Messiah would set up His kingdom and destroy theit enemies which did not happen then but will soon happen.

The chess pieces are being aligned and this world will experience a false peace, a false hope. The times of Jacobs trouble will soon begin and the wrath of God with the bowls of Revelation will be poured out soon.

Soon and very soon we are going to see the King, soon and very soon we are going to see the king.

Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King.
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Hallelujah, hallelujah,
We are going to see the King.
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King.
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Hallelujah, hallelujah,
We are going to see the King.
No more crying there,
We are going to see the King,
No more crying there,
We are going to see the King.
No more crying there,
We are going to see the King,
Hallelujah, Hallelujah,
We are going to see the King.
Hallelujah.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah.
No more dying there,
We are going to see the King,
No more dying there,
We are going to see the King.
No more dying there,
We are going to see the King,
Hallelujah, Hallelujah,
We are going to see the King.
Hallelujah.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah.
Should there be any rivers we must cross,
Should there be any mountains we must climb,
God will supply all the strength that we need,
Give us grace 'til we reach the other side.
We have come from every nation,
God knows each of us by name.
Jesus took His blood and He washed our sins,
And He washed them all away.
Yes, there are some of us,
Who have laid down our lives,
But we all shall live again,
On the other side.
Oh so soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King.
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Hallelujah, hallelujah,
We are going to see the King.
Hallelujah.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah.
Hallelujah.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah.
Hallelujah.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

nope there is a physical Jew/Israel and their land in the middle east. God brought them back into their land which was prophecied so that the things that will soon take place with cause the Return of Christ at His 2nd Coming to destroy the enemies of Israel at the battle of Armegeddon.

I'm not going to quote all the scriptures for the above. You can believe it or deny it thats up to you. The great tribulation is for the Jews in their land who will recognize Him whom they have pierced as their Messiah when He destroys their enemies.

The above is why they rejected Him as their Messiah 2000 years ago because they knew the Messiah would set up His kingdom and destroy theit enemies which did not happen then but will soon happen.

The chess pieces are being aligned and this world will experience a false peace, a false hope. The times of Jacobs trouble will soon begin and the wrath of God with the bowls of Revelation will be poured out soon.

Soon and very soon we are going to see the King, soon and very soon we are going to see the king.

Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King.
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Hallelujah, hallelujah,
We are going to see the King.
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King.
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Hallelujah, hallelujah,
We are going to see the King.
No more crying there,
We are going to see the King,
No more crying there,
We are going to see the King.
No more crying there,
We are going to see the King,
Hallelujah, Hallelujah,
We are going to see the King.
Hallelujah.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah.
No more dying there,
We are going to see the King,
No more dying there,
We are going to see the King.
No more dying there,
We are going to see the King,
Hallelujah, Hallelujah,
We are going to see the King.
Hallelujah.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah.
Should there be any rivers we must cross,
Should there be any mountains we must climb,
God will supply all the strength that we need,
Give us grace 'til we reach the other side.
We have come from every nation,
God knows each of us by name.
Jesus took His blood and He washed our sins,
And He washed them all away.
Yes, there are some of us,
Who have laid down our lives,
But we all shall live again,
On the other side.
Oh so soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King.
Soon and very soon,
We are going to see the King,
Hallelujah, hallelujah,
We are going to see the King.
Hallelujah.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah.
Hallelujah.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah.
Hallelujah.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ah.

oh i know there is the natural jew . and i also know
and beleive that one day the heavenly city will descend over there .
On that day and in that hour
no jew or gentile who rejected Christ is gonna be in that land , let alone that city . that is my point .
ALL unbeleivers cast out . Only sheep in the heavenly that one day will descend upon the world .

 

[civic]

oh i know there is the natural jew . and i also know
and beleive that one day the heavenly city will descend over there .
On that day and in that hour
no jew or gentile who rejected Christ is gonna be in that land , let alone that city . that is my point .
ALL unbeleivers cast out . Only sheep in the heavenly that one day will descend upon the world .

then it appears we agree.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

then it appears we agree.

Always remember the first writings of those who were jews who had become true jews .
They never made an acception for the profiting of the flesh .
THEY all knew a jew would and could wail as loudly as a gentile who rejected JESUS is the CHRIST .
NOw what i say next might sound like utter blasphemy to some .
But what i say i must say
We do realize that since the days of CHRIST and of the apostels
that many jews and gentiles have died rejecting JESUS is the CHRIST .
Their judgment , DAMANATION . there is not two plans of salvation
if a jew rejectes JESUS IS THE CHRIST , SON OF GOD and that one must Beleive
they will wail every bit as much as did the gentile who did so .
Just remember WHO they preached and they all preached BELEIVE or else .

 

[civic]

Always remember the first writings of those who were jews who had become true jews .
They never made an acception for the profiting of the flesh .
THEY all knew a jew would and could wail as loudly as a gentile who rejected JESUS is the CHRIST .
NOw what i say next might sound like utter blasphemy to some .
But what i say i must say
We do realize that since the days of CHRIST and of the apostels
that many jews and gentiles have died rejecting JESUS is the CHRIST .
Their judgment , DAMANATION . there is not two plans of salvation
if a jew rejectes JESUS IS THE CHRIST , SON OF GOD and that one must Beleive
they will wail every bit as much as did the gentile who did so .
Just remember WHO they preached and they all preached BELEIVE or else .

I'm. not saying there are 2 ways to be saved. Israel is not the church and the church is not Israel. Converted Jews/ Israelites are part of the church body. The great tribulation is not for the church, its for Israel in their land, its called the time of Jacobs trouble, not the church's trouble. The church is absent from the book or Revelation after chapter 3 and not seen again until chapter 22.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I'm. not saying there are 2 ways to be saved. Israel is not the church and the church is not Israel. Converted Jews/ Israelites are part of the church body. The great tribulation is not for the church, its for Israel in their land, its called the time of Jacobs trouble, not the church's trouble. The church is absent from the book or Revelation after chapter 3 and not seen again until chapter 22.

Civic you know i love you my friend
but i do see error .
And just WHO told you the church was absent .
men did .
I have a real good idea my friend and this will work in time .
YOU go back to just reading the bible for yourself .
Dont try and read it through what you learned of men .
Just enjoy it and read it f or yourself .
And keep reading and enjoying it every day .
We would be so amazed at how in time a lot of things can be cleared up .

 

[civic]

Civic you know i love you my friend
but i do see error .
And just WHO told you the church was absent .
men did .
I have a real good idea my friend and this will work in time .
YOU go back to just reading the bible for yourself .
Dont try and read it through what you learned of men .
Just enjoy it and read it f or yourself .
And keep reading and enjoying it every day .
We would be so amazed at how in time a lot of things can be cleared up .

show me the church mentioned in Revelation after chapter 3. the tribulation doesn't occur until after and Jesus makes a promise in Rev 3 to keep them from the hour of trial( tribulation ).

Revelation 3:10
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.