The Bride of Christ

Preterists claim that Revelation was written to give hope to Christians during the difficult days of the Roman war with the Jewish people. But what conclusion should a Christian reading it today draw if that’s true? The most common reasoning is that if God has judged and rejected Israel and raised up a new people for Himself, namely the church, then it’s acceptable for Christians to treat Jews with the lowest contempt. This reasoning has led to repeated pogroms, expulsions, and murder of countless Jewish people by Christians throughout history. God has not rejected Israel and cast them aside in favor of the church.

Replacement Theology is Antisemitic to the core.
 
Israel/Jerusalem were not the ones responsible for the mass killings of Christians.
Jesus said they would in Matthew 23. The extent only has to be sufficient to match some passages like that. Paul was part of teams that were doing this. This persecution happened but just the extent may be less documented and not addressing the Jewish Christians killed. I could expect that this was fewer numbers than some other historically noted persecutions.
My focus is on the way scripture fits together. We have very clear mention of these things happening soon. We also have several timelines in Daniel that show when these things would happen. It is unfair to Jews to alter the timeline and obscure the reason these prophecies surrounded their nation.
 
@mikesw has a very unorthodox understanding of everything referring to biblical research and he's extremely nasty about it.
Those who hold unorthodox beliefs tend to ignore church history, conveniently forgetting how Rome persecuted, & mass-murdered, countless Bible believing Christians (400-1400 Dark Ages) who escaped the snare of the devil.
 
Jesus said they would in Matthew 23. The extent only has to be sufficient to match some passages like that. Paul was part of teams that were doing this. This persecution happened but just the extent may be less documented and not addressing the Jewish Christians killed. I could expect that this was fewer numbers than some other historically noted persecutions.

My focus is on the way scripture fits together. We have very clear mention of these things happening soon. We also have several timelines in Daniel that show when these things would happen. It is unfair to Jews to alter the timeline and obscure the reason these prophecies surrounded their nation.
You've placed yourself in the wrong audience. Peter, James, & John were to go unto the circumcision while Paul, & Barnabas were to go unto the heathen. Galatians 2:9

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
2 Peter 3:15-16
 
You've placed yourself in the wrong audience. Peter, James, & John were to go unto the circumcision while Paul, & Barnabas were to go unto the heathen. Galatians 2:9
Gal 2:1-10 only shows the realization that their main ministries have the same message but have different prime focuses. The ministry of the 12 apostles was to share the gospel just ahead of the judgment that was to befall upon their compatriots in and around Judea.
"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
2 Peter 3:15-16
Well. I do not figure modern people's expectations concerning eschatology are leading them into destruction, but I can try to help guide them out of the harmful views. I certainly can come out with 3 ways to show how the judgment of Matt 24 was first century it was, in the words of that unusual political group, their turning point.
 
Gal 2:1-10 only shows the realization that their main ministries have the same message but have different prime focuses. The ministry of the 12 apostles was to share the gospel just ahead of the judgment that was to befall upon their compatriots in and around Judea.

Well. I do not figure modern people's expectations concerning eschatology are leading them into destruction, but I can try to help guide them out of the harmful views. I certainly can come out with 3 ways to show how the judgment of Matt 24 was first century it was, in the words of that unusual political group, their turning point.
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Uhhh, okay
 
Spiritually speaking, not ACTUAL like how we humans understand the bride, the Lamb's wife. They whored after false gods.

God Married Israel, Then Later Divorced Israel. Why?

"The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also." Jeremiah 3:6-8

"Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:" Jeremiah 31:32

"But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves." Amos 5:26

"Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon." Acts 7:43


Ishi = Husband
Baali = Baal

"Therefore, behold, I will allure her [aka Israel], and bring her into the wilderness [Revelation 12], and speak comfortably unto her. And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt. And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali." Hosea 2:14-16

Hephzibah = for the LORD delighteth in thee.
Beulah = thy land shall be married.

"For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married." Isaiah 62:1-4

God: "Verily I say unto thee..."
Satan: "Yea, hath God said?.."

YES, God said the following...

Promise of Restoration
Ezekiel 11:16-20; Amos 9:11-15 KJB

Israel to Be Renewed for "His" Name's Sake [NOT Theirs]
Ezekiel 36:22-28 KJB

A New Covenant
Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-12 KJB

New Heavens and a New Earth
Isaiah 65:17-25; 2 Peter 3:10-16; Revelation 21 KJB
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Serpent speak in the churches
Satan whispers to the churches thru the false prophet$:
a.) "Did jesus really say "I am coming after the tribulation???
b.) "jesus would never abuse his wife!!!"
c.) "pre-trib rapture is secret"
d.) "pre-trib rapture occurs before the resurrection"
e.) "jesus has many returns for many raptures"
f.) "wasn't Noah pre-trib raptured....!"
Let's not forget another BIG LIE from pre-trib = "left-behind"
and this other BIG LIE = those left-behind become the "tribulation saints"
Every christian who speaks pre-trib rapture is speaking against Christ = on this subject
this has always been satan's way of dividing the Body of Christ
Follow the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE by believing every word of God

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other
 
Try the ancient mystery religions, which Israel was lured (not dragged, LoL) into.
Haven't you read the Old Testament?
OH yes some of us sure have read quite often the old and new testament .
And if we examine the very pattern that befell the jews
WE WOULD have seen ITS NOW all over christendom . Its massive now .
REBELLION is loved and the mixture of pagan with christainity IS AS massive as it was
with JERSUALEM and the pagan . JESUS has been denied and all for the sake
of false unity , false love , false tolerance and the idea that all religoins serve the same God .
OH yeah . You are correct my friend .
 
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Serpent speak in the churches
Satan whispers to the churches thru the false prophet$:
a.) "Did jesus really say "I am coming after the tribulation???
b.) "jesus would never abuse his wife!!!"
c.) "pre-trib rapture is secret"
d.) "pre-trib rapture occurs before the resurrection"
e.) "jesus has many returns for many raptures"
f.) "wasn't Noah pre-trib raptured....!"
Let's not forget another BIG LIE from pre-trib = "left-behind"
and this other BIG LIE = those left-behind become the "tribulation saints"
Every christian who speaks pre-trib rapture is speaking against Christ = on this subject
this has always been satan's way of dividing the Body of Christ
Follow the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE by believing every word of God

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other
Wanna hear the , As in THE LIE that damns all .
Guess what else satan has been selling . HAS GOD really said YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS to be saved .
WHY YES HE DID and that if one believes NOT they shall be damned .
NAY , NAY says the serpent , SURELY they will not perish for GOD is love . HE IS PUMPING OUT THE LIE RIGHT NOW
and many are grabbing hold of his lie , his ever broad path of many religoins hand in hand headed
to paradise , peace n saf ety . MAN he is a liar AINT HE . DIDNT work out GOOD for eve and adam
WHEN eve bought HIS surely ye shall not die . DID IT
NOR will it work out to the good of this people WHO BOUGHT IT TOO . second death will surely be their end .
 
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Serpent speak in the churches
Satan whispers to the churches thru the false prophet$:
a.) "Did jesus really say "I am coming after the tribulation???
b.) "jesus would never abuse his wife!!!"
c.) "pre-trib rapture is secret"
d.) "pre-trib rapture occurs before the resurrection"
e.) "jesus has many returns for many raptures"
f.) "wasn't Noah pre-trib raptured....!"
Let's not forget another BIG LIE from pre-trib = "left-behind"
and this other BIG LIE = those left-behind become the "tribulation saints"
Every christian who speaks pre-trib rapture is speaking against Christ = on this subject
this has always been satan's way of dividing the Body of Christ
Follow the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE by believing every word of God

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other
THOUGH many hands are joining with many hands for this lie and peace n safety
I tell us all the wicked will NOT go unpunished . JESUS has been denied and many sure seem to love to have it so .
 
OH yes some of us sure have read quite often the old and new testament .
And if we examine the very pattern that befell the jews
WE WOULD have seen ITS NOW all over christendom . Its massive now .
REBELLION is loved and the mixture of pagan with christainity IS AS massive as it was
with JERSUALEM and the pagan . JESUS has been denied and all for the sake
of false unity , false love , false tolerance and the idea that all religoins serve the same God .
OH yeah . You are correct my friend .
Which brings us to the Ecumenical movement 😉
Amen!
 
Every christian who speaks pre-trib rapture is speaking against Christ = on this subject this has always been satan's way of dividing the Body of Christ
Follow the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE by believing every word of God
I couldn't agree more, DavidTree! 🙏


What Peter Taught, What Paul Taught,
To Whom... & Why it Matters!
16 Ministry Comparisons


There's a common theme throughout the Bible. Are we really obeying God through whom God has sent to us, specifically?

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me." John 13:20

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
2
Timothy 2:15

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
2 Timothy 3:16

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Psalm 12:6-7

"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." Psalm 138:2


Rightly Dividing The Word of Truth
 
Which brings us to the Ecumenical movement 😉
Amen!
Yes , let us beware that movement . TRUTH has massively been compromised for sake of unity in that movement .
Always remember that charity , love , WOULD REJOICE ONLY in the TRUTH
and not in sin , not in a lie . No matter how loving and kind the dark one can make a lie appear
ITS A LIE and will save none but damn all . And he has his own version of love
that might contain doing some good works but it has made the path to GOD very broad
and sin accepting , accepting even unbelief as it accepts other religoins as valid paths .
Watch out cause satan knows how to quoate truths like GOD is love
and yet HE will use a version of love that will deny Truth .
 
I couldn't agree more, DavidTree! 🙏


What Peter Taught, What Paul Taught,
To Whom... & Why it Matters!
16 Ministry Comparisons


There's a common theme throughout the Bible. Are we really obeying God through whom God has sent to us, specifically?

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me." John 13:20

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
2
Timothy 2:15

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
2 Timothy 3:16

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Psalm 12:6-7

"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." Psalm 138:2


Rightly Dividing The Word of Truth
Let's SEE if you are "rightly dividing the word of truth"

the LORD Says: "Immediately after the tribulation................I Come" = Matt ch24

@Victoria says: "don't believe the LORD!!! , believe the words of men who say "pre-trib Jesus comes for us"

That is not RIGHT dear Victoria, "pre-trib" is on the left of God for it denies Christ and the Apostles and OT Prophets
 
Let's SEE if you are "rightly dividing the word of truth"

the LORD Says: "Immediately after the tribulation................I Come" = Matt ch24

@Victoria says: "don't believe the LORD!!! , believe the words of men who say "pre-trib Jesus comes for us"

That is not RIGHT dear Victoria, "pre-trib" is on the left of God for it denies Christ and the Apostles and OT Prophets
Man of Lawlessness
2 Thessalonians 2:1-7


"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

"
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

"And now
ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time."

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth
will let, until he be taken out of the way."
 
Yes , let us beware that movement . TRUTH has massively been compromised for sake of unity in that movement .
Always remember that charity , love , WOULD REJOICE ONLY in the TRUTH
and not in sin , not in a lie . No matter how loving and kind the dark one can make a lie appear
ITS A LIE and will save none but damn all . And he has his own version of love
that might contain doing some good works but it has made the path to GOD very broad
and sin accepting , accepting even unbelief as it accepts other religoins as valid paths .
Watch out cause satan knows how to quoate truths like GOD is love
and yet HE will use a version of love that will deny Truth .
100% 🙏
 
Man of Lawlessness
2 Thessalonians 2:1-7


"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

"
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

"And now
ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time."

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth
will let, until he be taken out of the way."
AGREE = Apostle Paul & Apostle John both prophecy that the "falling away and man of sin" comes BEFORE the 2nd Coming.

"HE" = male = "HE" be taken out of the way

the Church is "She" = Bride of Christ
 
AGREE = Apostle Paul & Apostle John both prophecy that the "falling away and man of sin" comes BEFORE the 2nd Coming.

"HE" = male = "HE" be taken out of the way

the Church is "She" = Bride of Christ
DavidTree, I don't subscribe to the Replacement Theology position. It's just not scriptural.
The RCC is the Gentile form of Old Testament unbelieving Israel, btw.

Modern translations is where you're getting this "her/she" lie.
The apostle Paul, & the twelve, had different ministries w/ different messages.


"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." 1 Corinthians 12:27

"There is neither
Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and
gave himself for it;" Ephesians 5:25

Gave Himself for IT, not HER. There's neither male nor FEMALE... & here in lies the confusion.
The Body of Christ = masculine ... something masculine cannot be a BRIDE.


Paul Defends His Apostleship

"Would to God ye could bear with me a little
in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."
2 Corinthians 11:1-2


Notice the theme here is Paul defending his apostleship, hence why he says "bear w/ me a little in my folly."
It's metaphorical, not a literal meaning we're the bride. He's specifically speaking doctrine-wise.
Otherwise, why put folly there?

Ephesians 5:22-32 is yet again metaphorical...


"This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." Ephesians 5:32

Nowhere does Paul mention us being in the new covanent God will make w/ the house of Israel, & Judah... nowhere!

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

The above verse should now make more sense to you, unless you continue to allow religion to corrupt your mind.
HE "aka" God, who now letteth will let, until HE "aka" the Body of Christ, be taken out of the way.

Once Satan, & his crew are tossed to the earth [Revelation 12], who will fill their positions in the heavens?
That there is the relevation of the mystery the apostle Paul wrote about. You have to rightly divide.
 
DavidTree, I don't subscribe to the Replacement Theology position. It's just not scriptural.
The RCC is the Gentile form of Old Testament unbelieving Israel, btw.

Modern translations is where you're getting this "her/she" lie.
The apostle Paul, & the twelve, had different ministries w/ different messages.


"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." 1 Corinthians 12:27

"There is neither
Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and
gave himself for it;" Ephesians 5:25

Gave Himself for IT, not HER. There's neither male nor FEMALE... & here in lies the confusion.
The Body of Christ = masculine ... something masculine cannot be a BRIDE.


Paul Defends His Apostleship

"Would to God ye could bear with me a little
in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."
2 Corinthians 11:1-2


Notice the theme here is Paul defending his apostleship, hence why he says "bear w/ me a little in my folly."
It's metaphorical, not a literal meaning we're the bride. He's specifically speaking doctrine-wise.
Otherwise, why put folly there?

Ephesians 5:22-32 is yet again metaphorical...


"This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." Ephesians 5:32

Nowhere does Paul mention us being in the new covanent God will make w/ the house of Israel, & Judah... nowhere!

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

The above verse should now make more sense to you, unless you continue to allow religion to corrupt your mind.
HE "aka" God, who now letteth will let, until HE "aka" the Body of Christ, be taken out of the way.

Once Satan, & his crew are tossed to the earth [Revelation 12], who will fill their positions in the heavens?
That there is the relevation of the mystery the apostle Paul wrote about. You have to rightly divide.
Victoria, currently you are denying CHRIST's words/commands, the Apostles and now the Gospel!!!

#1 - JESUS says: "Immediately after the Tribulation...... I come and gather MY elect" = Matt ch24

#2 - JESUS says: "I am taking the Kingdom away from the earthbound nation Israel and giving it to another nation that will bear the Fruit of the Kingdom = that nation is only found in Christ = Matthew 21:42-43

#3 - JESUS says: For God so loved the world(Jew & Gentile) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes
in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

#3 - the Apostles John and Paul make it very CLEAR the New Covenant is to the Jew first and also to the Gentile
John chapter 1
The Word/HE was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Apostle Paul - Romans 1:16 , Galatians 3:14 , 3:26-29
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes,
for the Jew first and also for the Greek/Gentile.

Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you(Gentile) are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Dear @Victoria, dispensation theology is of satan to divide the Body of Christ and to separate Jew from Gentile in Christ = run from it for it is based on lies from the Serpent
 
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