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Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."
Job 2:1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD."
these sons of God here are ordinary men, because Job is a son of God. listen, Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Job 1:2 "And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters." Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east."
this term "men" here is the Hebrew word,
H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]
בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
(used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).
{in the widest sense of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1 H251, etc.).}
[from H1129]
KJV: + afflicted, age, (Ahoh-) (Ammon-) (Hachmon-) (Lev-)ite, (anoint-)ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, (Assyr-) (Babylon-) (Egypt-) (Grec-)ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant(-est), whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.
Root(s): H1129
this is the same HEBREW word used in Genesis 6:2 for son. that nullified any angels.
now Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
the Morning stars are the actual stars in the heavens, and the sons of God is actual here in this verse, the sun and the moon. Here in Job 38 God almighty are using metaphors. KEEP THAT IN MIND. now let's see it in truth.
Let’s go to the book of James first. Follow and understand. James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning”. The almighty is called the “Father” of lights, and lights here is plural, and is the Greek word, G5457 φῶς phos (fōs') n. which means luminousness. Now hold that thought and go to Thayer's Greek Definitions and or the blue letter bible, look up G3962 πατήρ pater, (Father)
- Transliteration: Pater
- Phonetic: pat-ayr'
- Definition:
1. generator or male ancestor
a. either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents.
THIS IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK WHEN THEY HEAR THE WORD “FATHER”.
but we are interested in the 3rd definition, and here it is, listen.
3. God is called the Father
a. of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler
God is the Father of the “STARS”, and the heavenly luminaries. Yes, the literal stars in the sky. google the word stars, please add the “s” to the end of stars, for Job said, morning “stars” not morning “star”. A star is a luminous sphere of plasma held together by its own gravity. The nearest star to Earth is the Sun. Many other stars are visible to the naked eye from Earth during the night, appearing as a multitude of fixed luminous points in the sky due to their immense distance from Earth. Again, the stars are the actual stars in the heavens. Now, go to dictionary.com, or the free dictionary, or any dictionary and look up luminaries in the plural a celestial body, as the sun or moon. Now let’s see this sun and moon and the actual stars and what they did in Job 38:7. Remember the Almighty said that they sang and shouted for joy. Let’s see this metaphor clearly. Psalms 148:1 "Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. Verse 2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. 4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created”. Now what do the word praise mean here? It is the Hebrew word, H1984 הָלַל halal (haw-lal') v. which can be translated as “sing”, or “shine”. understand, the stars, the sun and the moon sang or praised God by shining their lights, meaning the first light/ or Moring light. One more, Psalms 65:13 "The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing”. The pastures, and valleys also praising God? Yes, how? by shouting for joy and singing. It’s all a metaphor, for the harvest here is in abundant . Do we now understand. but go back to verse 2 "2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light." here the angels are separate from the stars of light/morning stars, and the sons of God which are the sun and the moon. this takes care of Job 38
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To all,
Part II, the sons of God at Job 1:6, and 2:1.
Job 1:6 & Job 2:1. Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them”. Here, some say that this presentation was in heaven of the angles. Now Job 2:1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD”. they came together and presented themselves before the LORD. Yes, here on Earth. this is nothing unusual, Joshua 24:1 "And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem, and called for the elders of Israel, and for their heads, and for their judges, and for their officers; and they presented themselves before God”. this presenting of the heads of Israel was on earth, and not in heaven. Likewise, the sons of God in Job 1:6, and 2:1 was “earth born” men/sons of God who presented themselves before God here on PLANET EARTH. One very important scripture also in the book of Job as to who a son of God is was revealed to us clearly, Job himself and his faithful friends. listen, Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east”. if one will read, starting at Job 1:1 we would know that this is speaking of the man Job. in verse 3 the word “Men” there is the Hebrew word, H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) which means sons as in Genesis 6. but one might say these are not sons of God “Ben HaElohim. Let’s stop here and think about something. What is the subject here? Job and his friends presenting themselves before God. Is this strange that Satan came among them? No, it has happened before. Scripture, Genesis 3:1 "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?”. Here Adam and Eve are the children of God, H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) which means sons, for Eve is an Adam also. But what’s so interesting is the use of words in expressing who Job was. Notice the verse states, “so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east”. Here “man”, and “men” are used in the same verse. Why didn’t the bible use the Hebrew word, H582 אֱנוֹשׁ 'enowsh (en-oshe') n-m. for men? It means,
אֲנָשִׁים 'enowsh (en-oshe') [plural]
1. (properly) a mortal (and thus differing from the more dignified H120).
2. (hence) a man in general (singly or collectively).
Looking at definition #1, was not Job a mortal man? And why not use H376 אִישׁ 'iysh (eesh) n-m or אִישִׁים 'iysh (eesh) plural for men of the east instead of “sons”/ H1121 בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') in the plural. H376 אִישׁ 'iysh means a man as an individual or a male person. It is the contracted for H582, Which simply means a mortal or a man in general. STOP, THIS JUST TOLD US JOB NOR HIS FRIENDS WERE NOT JUST MORTAL MEN IN GENERAL. By using the definition of H1121, instead of H582 אֱנוֹשׁ 'enowsh, that without a doubt is saying something and making a statement about Job and his friends that is not made by men in general. No, this man Job is a son of God, let’s see it clearly. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come”. there were some men “AFTER” Adam who did not sin as he did. Now I wonder who some of those men were, maybe just maybe Job and his friends? I am convinced without a doubt that some of these men are Job and his friends/brothers/sons of the east, who are sons of God.
Here is my proof that Job was a son of God. In the very first verse it states that Job is a Man, and the word used there is H376 אִישׁ 'iysh (eesh) n-m. meaning, a man as an individual or a male person. But in verse 3 the proper use of men here should have been, אִישִׁים 'iysh (eesh) the plural of man, which is “men”. No, God used H1121 בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') in the plural, meaning “sons”, as in Genesis chapter 6. for this term or "TITLE" properly belong to HUMANS and not angels.
Let’s look at both definitions. in the singular, and the plural.
#1. MAN: H376 אִישׁ 'iysh (eesh) n-m.
אִישִׁים 'iysh (eesh) [plural]
a man as an individual or a male person.
contracted for H582.
H582 אֱנוֹשׁ 'enowsh (en-oshe') n-m.
אֲנָשִׁים 'enowsh (en-oshe') [plural]
1. (properly) a mortal (and thus differing from the more dignified H120).
2. (hence) a man in general (singly or collectively).
#2. Now, son
SON: H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]
a son (as a builder of the family name).
from H1129
H1129 בָּנָה banah (baw-naw') v.
to build.
{literally and figuratively}
[a primitive root]
KJV: (begin to) build(-er), obtain children, make,
conclusion, looking at the definitions above, clearly God is telling us that Job and these other men of the EAST are not men in general, mortal yes, but these men have a title, “sons of God”. This title is given to men and women who life God is pleased with. Job and his friends were reprove of God which is one of the qualifications of a son of God, scripture, Hebrews 12:6 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 "If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons”. This is what the whole book of Job is all about, if God didn’t love these men/sons then they are bastards, and not sons as Hebrews points out.
Job 1:8 "And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?”. This verse says it all.
a servant is a Minister of God. just as all the apostles, were "SERVANTS" of God.
next post on your other scriptures.
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