Refuting Losing Salvation!

Our condition was we were in a fallen state when we were born.
Do you realize what you are saying about God when you assert that we were in a fallen state when we were born? The fallen state is to be spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. You are claiming that the spirit God gave you at birth, or before, is spiritually dead. Presumably, from having Adam's sin imputed to you. That is truly a debased assertion about God.
When we Accept Jesus as Lord and Savior He washes our sins away.
OUR sins. Nothing is ever said about needing to wash away Adam's sin. And that for good reason. We were never guilty in any sense whatsoever of Adam's sin.
Satan did not have the Holy spirit like we do. We can drift away from the body of Christ but the Holy Spirit will make us come to our senses and return to our Fathers house.

The Scriptures repeatedly employ the term “eternal life” in reference to the believer. But this is much more than merely having eternal existence. Eternal life refers not only to the duration but to the quality of an eternal existence. Consider again the meaning of “eternal.” Words lose all meaning if eternal does not mean eternal.

One more thing, God has given us the gift of “eternal life” with Him. He does not take the gift back.
But you can give it back at any time by ceasing to believe in Him any longer.
Eternal nullifies all time, and thus if at any point one can be said to possess eternal life, by definition this life cannot be less than eternal. In other words, it cannot be temporal.
Eternal life is a state of being. That state of being during this life can indeed be rejected. Eternal life does not nullify time in this earthly realm.
 
If we are born with a good relationship what's the purpose of the cross?

If God had intended to convey the idea that a believer could never be lost, He could not have spoken in clearer terms than to use the term eternal. If He had intended to convey the idea that a believer could be lost, He would never have spoken of eternal life as a present possession.

Many Christians seem to believe that death is the point at which they will receive eternal life—and that they are eternally secure from that point on. But if their salvation ultimately depended upon them keeping themselves saved here, why should it be any different in eternity? Because Scripture teaches that believers have eternal life as a present tense possession now we don’t need to wait to die in order to know they have eternal life. Consider the force and weight of the following Scriptures:

He who believes in the Son has eternal life John 3:36

Truly, truly, I say to you he who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life John 5:24

Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life John 6:47

I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand John 10:28

And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou has sent John 17:3

And yet for this reason I found mercy, in order that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience, as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life
1 Timothy 1:16

Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called...Timothy 6:12

In the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago Titus 1:2

And this is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life 1 John 2:25

And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These thing I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life 1 John 5:11-13
 
If we are born with a good relationship what's the purpose of the cross?
It is the one sacrifice for YOUR sins.
If God had intended to convey the idea that a believer could never be lost, He could not have spoken in clearer terms than to use the term eternal. If He had intended to convey the idea that a believer could be lost, He would never have spoken of eternal life as a present possession.
We are saved by grace through faith. We stay saved by grace through faith. Faith is what you do, i.e., believe in God. If you cease believing in God, you will cease being saved.
Many Christians seem to believe that death is the point at which they will receive eternal life—and that they are eternally secure from that point on. But if their salvation ultimately depended upon them keeping themselves saved here, why should it be any different in eternity? Because Scripture teaches that believers have eternal life as a present tense possession now we don’t need to wait to die in order to know they have eternal life. Consider the force and weight of the following Scriptures:

He who believes in the Son has eternal life John 3:36
Yes, he who believes has eternal life; he who no longer believes no longer has eternal life.
Truly, truly, I say to you he who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life John 5:24


Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life John 6:47

I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand John 10:28
True, But nothing says that you cannot simply leave.
And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou has sent John 17:3

And yet for this reason I found mercy, in order that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience, as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life
1 Timothy 1:16

Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called...Timothy 6:12

In the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago Titus 1:2

And this is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life 1 John 2:25

And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These thing I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life 1 John 5:11-13
All of those are promises contingent upon believing. Believing is not a one-time statement. It is a continuing activity. It is something that you do on a continuing basis. If you stop believing, then all such promises become null and void.
 
I have never meet any one that stopped believing. If you walk away from Jesus you never knew Him.
 
The Holy Spirit directed the apostle Paul to use the term adoption to describe the process by which God establishes a relationship with a man or woman who trusts Christ as the Savior:

For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.
—Romans 8:15–16

Notice how Paul capitalizes on the relational value of adoption. We are encouraged to think of our heavenly Father in the most intimate way, as a Daddy. This relationship is contrasted to one of fear, which commonly existed between a slave and his master. God is not simply putting up with us as a master would with slaves. God desires an intimate relationship with us. And He has taken it upon Himself to remove every possible barrier.

What loving father would search and bring home a wayward son or daughter?

Let me say again, adopting us into His family was not simply a courtesy God was extending to us poor wretched sinners. It was His goal from the very beginning. And not just from our very beginning, but from the beginning of time, as these verses make plain:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will. Ephesians 1:3–5

God plan for us works, He's just that good.
If our salvation can be lost, our adoption into the family of God is not permanent. We can be unadopted, so to speak. Such a process, however, is never described or even alluded to in the New Testament. Never once are believers threatened with losing membership in the family of God. Jesus taught just the opposite. As far as He was and is concerned, adoption is forever!
 
It was taken from a website: GraceAmbassadors.com

I nearly fell victim to the Lordship Salvation sect. Lists like this helped clear up a lot of confusion for me.
I honestly didn't know if I was coming, or going... saved? Not saved? Lost it? Got it back? 😂
Thanks for sharing that! If one doesn't find truth it will be because of not really looking for truth. Instead of hide and seek, it's "seek and find" (Mat 7:7).
 
Satan was "once saved".
Hi and thanks for the comment! I don't think anyone is saved if their name isn't in the "Book of Life." This Book is written before creation, which via God's omniscience has the names of all who will be saved. Since God knows who will not be saved, they are considered lost, even before their birth.

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (Jhn 3:18). This passage manifests the foreknowledge of God by the statement "condemned already," in that He's referring to one He knows will be lost (Jhn 3:18).

God bless!
 
Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. EPHESIANS 6:10–12

Satan is the great destroyer. He wants to destroy your life through adversity and by blocking the work God wants to see manifested in your life. Satan does that by discouraging you, by dissipating your time and energy, and by making a frontal assault on your weak areas that lead you to sin. Satan wants to disrupt your walk with God, ruin your testimony, and destroy your life

This is a fight for the brethren, for all of us together—the brothers and the sisters in Christ’s family. The lines have been drawn. Our enemy, with whom we are involved in mortal combat, is none other than Satan himself. The Lord and the brethren, His people, are battling against Satan and his demons.

If you see a brother starting to backslide encourage them to keep the faith.
 
Hi and thanks for the comment! I don't think anyone is saved if their name isn't in the "Book of Life." This Book is written before creation, which via God's omniscience has the names of all who will be saved. Since God knows who will not be saved, they are considered lost, even before their birth.
Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

That certainly indicates that a name can be blotted out of the book of life. When might that happen?
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (Jhn 3:18). This passage manifests the foreknowledge of God by the statement "condemned already," in that He's referring to one He knows will be lost (Jhn 3:18).

God bless!
Again you are essentially stating that once having believed, then you cannot disbelieve. That is not true.
 
Whether or not you have ever met such a one is quite beside the point.

You are positing that having once believed in God takes away your free will. That is total nonsense.
But it's still my point like it or not. As for freewill after salvation.

The phrase "our reasonable service" comes from Romans 12:1, which urges believers to present their bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God, as a logical act of worship in response to His mercy. This verse emphasizes the importance of dedicating oneself to God in a way that reflects gratitude for His grace.

A key verse that refers to being a slave of Christ is Romans 1:1, where Paul introduces himself as "a slave of Jesus Christ." Additionally, 1 Corinthians 7:22 states, "For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant is a freedman of the Lord; likewise, he who was free when called is Christ’s slave."
 
Not true. Salvation in the Bible has to do ONLY with God, Jesus, and mankind. Jesus died for the sins of all MEN in the world. The Bible does not tell us that He died for the sins of Satan.
The point is that even Satan was once in a state of grace before he rebelled against God. He "fell". He fell from someplace of from something.
 
Hi and thanks for the comment! I don't think anyone is saved if their name isn't in the "Book of Life." This Book is written before creation, which via God's omniscience has the names of all who will be saved. Since God knows who will not be saved, they are considered lost, even before their birth.

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (Jhn 3:18). This passage manifests the foreknowledge of God by the statement "condemned already," in that He's referring to one He knows will be lost (Jhn 3:18).

God bless!
Even though God knew before creation who would be lost and who would be saved, He NEVER deprived them of their free will to choose His salvation or to reject it. It just so happens that He knows ahead of time, what our choice will be.

1 Peter 1:1-2
 
But it's still my point like it or not.
You point is immaterial to the truth
A key verse that refers to being a slave of Christ is Romans 1:1, where Paul introduces himself as "a slave of Jesus Christ." Additionally, 1 Corinthians 7:22 states, "For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant is a freedman of the Lord; likewise, he who was free when called is Christ’s slave."
That does not prevent one from disobeying to the point of complete rejection. Even a slave can run away, particularly when he was a slave by choice.
 
That does not prevent one from disobeying to the point of complete rejection.
Precious friend, don't forget to "check With The New Owner" Of The Purchased
Possession Of God, Who Shed His Own BLOOD For The Forgiveness of All
sin,
And Who "Seals us All Unto The Day Of Redemption":

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost Which​
is in you, Which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"​
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God's Simple Will!
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God's OPERATION On All new-born babes Eternally In Christ!!
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Judgment of Both the "faithful And Unfaithful" (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)

Amen!!!
 
You point is immaterial to the truth

That does not prevent one from disobeying to the point of complete rejection. Even a slave can run away, particularly when he was a slave by choice.
Sorry, but my point is not immaterial to the truth.

If one is totally disobeying the Lord they were never saved. Jesus's own words "depart from me, I never knew you" Matthew 7:23, where Jesus is addressing those who claim to have followed Him but did not truly do the will of God. It signifies a lack of a genuine, intimate relationship, and it serves as a warning against false disciples who perform "miracles" or good works for the wrong reasons. This refers to those who practice lawlessness, or act contrary to God's laws, and are not true followers.

The religious leaders of Jesus’ day share your conviction. They did not hold to the doctrine of eternal security. They believed righteousness was gained and maintained through keeping the Mosaic law. According to their theology, if a man abandoned the law, God abandoned him. That belief deeply affected their attitude and behavior toward persons who were not keeping the law in the manner the leaders thought they should. As religious leaders and shepherds of the people, they took it upon themselves to visibly model God’s disdain for those who did not keep the law. Consequently, they would have nothing to do with certain classes of people.

For that reason it was not uncommon to hear a Pharisee praying the way Jesus described:

And He also told this parable to certain ones who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax–gatherer. The Pharisee stood and was praying thus to himself, ‘God, I thank Thee that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax–gatherer. I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ ”
Luke 18:9–12
 
Sorry, but my point is not immaterial to the truth.

If one is totally disobeying the Lord they were never saved. Jesus's own words "depart from me, I never knew you" Matthew 7:23, where Jesus is addressing those who claim to have followed Him but did not truly do the will of God. It signifies a lack of a genuine, intimate relationship, and it serves as a warning against false disciples who perform "miracles" or good works for the wrong reasons. This refers to those who practice lawlessness, or act contrary to God's laws, and are not true followers.

The religious leaders of Jesus’ day share your conviction. They did not hold to the doctrine of eternal security. They believed righteousness was gained and maintained through keeping the Mosaic law. According to their theology, if a man abandoned the law, God abandoned him. That belief deeply affected their attitude and behavior toward persons who were not keeping the law in the manner the leaders thought they should. As religious leaders and shepherds of the people, they took it upon themselves to visibly model God’s disdain for those who did not keep the law. Consequently, they would have nothing to do with certain classes of people.

For that reason it was not uncommon to hear a Pharisee praying the way Jesus described:

And He also told this parable to certain ones who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax–gatherer. The Pharisee stood and was praying thus to himself, ‘God, I thank Thee that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax–gatherer. I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ ”
Luke 18:9–12
Sorry, but salvation does not destroy free will.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have (1) once been enlightened, who (2) have tasted the heavenly gift, and (3) have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and (4)have tasted the goodness of the word of God and (5) the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, while [i.e., so long as] they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

If you do not understand those five actions as the actions of God in salvation, then I think you do not truly understand what salvation even means.
 
Our condition was we were in a fallen state when we were born. When we Accept Jesus as Lord and Savior He washes our sins away.

Satan did not have the Holy spirit like we do. We can drift away from the body of Christ but the Holy Spirit will make us come to our senses and return to our Fathers house.

The Scriptures repeatedly employ the term “eternal life” in reference to the believer. But this is much more than merely having eternal existence. Eternal life refers not only to the duration but to the quality of an eternal existence. Consider again the meaning of “eternal.” Words lose all meaning if eternal does not mean eternal.

One more thing, God has given us the gift of “eternal life” with Him. He does not take the gift back.

Eternal nullifies all time, and thus if at any point one can be said to possess eternal life, by definition this life cannot be less than eternal. In other words, it cannot be temporal.
In His encounter with the woman at the well, He makes an interesting statement using the present tense. In His effort to show the woman the superiority of living water over the water found in Jacob’s well, He says,

Everyone who drinks of this water shall thirst again.
John 4:13

The term drinks is present tense, which confronts us with a curious situation. If the present tense always communicates continuous, uninterrupted action, Jesus is saying that those who are continuously drinking from Jacob’s well will thirst again!

That doesn’t make any sense. First of all, no one who is continually drinking gets thirsty. Second, it would be physically impossible for someone to drink continuously from Jacob’s well—or any well for that matter.

But Jesus’ meaning is clear. He is referring to the normal practice of drinking until one’s thirst is quenched, then after a period of time returning to drink again. His point is that the water from Jacob’s well would quench one’s thirst temporarily.

Jesus tells the Samaritan woman that the "water" He gives will be a "spring of water welling up to eternal life" and that the person who drinks it will never thirst again.

As you can see, it would be absurd, even contradictory, to understand the present tense to mean continuous, uninterrupted action. That is simply not a normal rendering of the verb tense. Certainly it can mean that, but in most cases it does not.

Therefore, to interpret John’s use of the present tense to mean continuous, uninterrupted believing is to make more out of the present tense than he intended. That would be like sitting all day praying Hindu Mantras.

When a man or woman believes, they are given eternal life right then and there. It is a gift. At that moment in time the transaction is completed. As mentioned in your post #20, if one must continue to work in order to retain possession of the gift, it is not a gift.
 
Sorry, but salvation does not destroy free will.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have (1) once been enlightened, who (2) have tasted the heavenly gift, and (3) have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and (4)have tasted the goodness of the word of God and (5) the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, while [i.e., so long as] they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

If you do not understand those five actions as the actions of God in salvation, then I think you do not truly understand what salvation even means.
That's not your call, I think you do not truly understand the rules here at BAM.:(
 
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