Receiving the Spirit, and The indwelling of the Spirit
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LOL They were born with the Spirit? Cat got your tounge now?
civic
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None were born of the Spirit until Pentecost like Jesus told them in John 14-16,
Why are you an unbeliever when it comes to Jesus clear teaching on Pentecost and the Promise of the Holy Spirit He would send after His Ascension that they were to wait for , tarry until He comes in the upper room ?
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Again, the Spirit dwelt with them then at some point they must have recieved Him. Unless you, in all your wisdom, want to claim He was with them from birth.
So why don't you believe Jesus whe he states, "unless one is born again, he CANNOT see the kingdom of God."
civic
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No that’s your false assumption . And I do believe John 3 which began at Pentecost.
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No, The Spirit dwelling with is not receiving the Spirit
And the shall be in you is future
No one said they were the same thing. Category error.
If He dwelt with them they must have recieved Him at some point. Hence David could pray for the Spirit not to leave him.
LOL, unless they were born with the Spirit dwelling with them they recieved Him at some point. Common sense
Wrong
The spirit being with them does not imply they received the spirit- had the spirit in them as we see under the new covenant
Then it was there from birth.
It says "for He dwells with you". From birth? If not then at some point they recieved Him.
It don't have to be but I will play the game.
Nowhere dies it say indwelling is the sole way the Spirit us received
Every bible verse equating receiving the Spirit with the indwelling
John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
John 14:16–17 (KJV 1900) — 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
and the total absense of a verse which speaks of receiving the Spirit simply as the Spirit being with you
Sorry, scripture does not say indwelling is the sole way you recieve the Spirit. David prayed the spirit would not leave him. So at some point He must have recieved Him right?
You have not provided a verse showing otherwise
I can post scripture relating receiving the Spirit and indwelling
you have not been able to provide one equating receiving the Spirit with the Spirit being with you.
Johann
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1 ) "Even the Spirit of truth;" (to pneuma tes aletheias) "The comforter or paraclete is the Spirit of truth," Joh_16:13-14, the one who continuously abideth not only in individual believers, sealing them as children of God forever, but also abiding as the comforter, vice-gerent of Christ in and to empower His church forever, Eph_4:30; Luk_24:49; Act_2:4; Joh_5:26; Eph_3:21.
2) "Whom the world cannot receive," (ho kosmos oudunatai labein) "Which one the world order is not able to receive," the unregenerate of humanity, Joh_15:18-19; 1Co_2:14. A world out of harmony with God, in darkness and sin, does not comprehend God, except as it yields to the light of His Word and His call through the Spirit, Joh_6:44.
3) "Because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him;”(hoti ou theorei auto oude ginoskei) "Because it (the world) observes not, nor even knows him," being spiritually ignorant, void of him, and at enmity with my Father, Eph_4:18; 2Co_4:3-4; Rom_8:7-8.
4) "But ye know him;” (humeis ginoskete auto) "You all know him," have experimental knowledge of Him, as believers, disciples, a chosen company of my followers, from the beginning, Joh_15:16; Joh_15:27; as Paul knew Him, and as John knew Him, 2Ti_1:12; 1Jn_3:14; 1Jn_4:7; 1Jn_4:13, whom to know is eternal life, Joh_17:3; 1Jn_5:18.
5) "For he dwelleth with you," (hoti par 'humin memei) "Because he (the spirit of truth) remains along with you all," personally, for "if any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His," Rom_8:9; Joh_3:5; Joh_6:63. To be quickened (made alive) in Christ, by the Spirit, through faith in Christ, is to be a possessor of the Spirit who seals one in Christ unto the resurrection, Eph_1:13-14; Eph_2:1; Eph_2:5; Eph_4:30.
6) "And shall be in you." (kai en humin estai) "And in and among you all (as my church, my disciples) He will be or exist," Joh_14:26, continue to dwell, in a special guiding and empowering manner, in harmony with the Word of truth, Joh_16:13-14; Luk_24:49; Act_1:8; Act_2:4; 1Co_2:8-14.
The Spirit of truth (to pneuma tēs alētheias). Same phrase in Joh_15:27; Joh_16:13; 1Jn_4:6, “a most exquisite title” (Bengel). The Holy Spirit is marked by it (genitive case), gives it, defends it (cf. Joh_1:17), in contrast to the spirit of error (1Jn_4:6).
Whom (ho). Grammatical neuter gender (ho) agreeing with pneuma (grammatical), but rightly rendered in English by “whom” and note masculine ekeinos (Joh_14:26). He is a person, not a mere influence.
Cannot receive (ou dunatai labein). Left to itself the sinful world is helpless (1Co_2:14; Rom_8:7.), almost Paul’s very language on this point. The world lacks spiritual insight (ou theōrei) and spiritual knowledge (oude ginōskei). It failed to recognize Jesus (Joh_1:10) and likewise the Holy Spirit.
Ye know him (humeis ginōskete auto). Emphatic position of humeis (ye) in contrast with the world (Joh_15:19), because they have seen Jesus the Revealer of the Father (Joh_14:9).
Abides (menei). Timeless present tense.
With you (par' humin). “By your side,” “at home with you,” not merely “with you” (meth' humōn) “in the midst of you.”
In you (en humin). In your hearts. So note meta (Joh_14:16), para, en.
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Bob Carabbio
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The INDWELLING SPIRIT came as recorded in John 20:22. However the Holy Spirit had been coming UPON people from Genesis forward. Pentecost (Acts 2:4) was the point at which the Holy SPirit Came UPON the disciple who were already indwelled by Him.
Did you examine the quote for context?
The point was to differentiate the Spirits work in the old and the new testaments
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