No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[brightfame52]

sure it does.

No it doesn't. It's the scope of Christ proprititionary sacrifice being described

 

[brightfame52]

Oh, indeed it does.

No it doesn't you are reading that into it

 

[brightfame52]

You keep telling yourself that, but it just isn't so. That is your delusion talking.

Two questions for you to answer: what does the word "all" mean? Who all is part of "the whole world"?

You have yet to show a scripture that says Christ died for All mankind

 

[Doug Brents]

You have yet to show a scripture that says Christ died for All mankind

Answer these two questions:
What does the word "all" mean?
Who all is part of "the whole world"?

 

[brightfame52]

Answer these two questions:
What does the word "all" mean?
Who all is part of "the whole world"?

You have not showed one scripture that specifically says Christ died for every last person on the earth without expectation

 

[synergy]

Only faith is mentioned here

Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

and in the other verses


Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Gal 3:11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.”

Rom 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Phil 3:9and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

Rom 3:24–26 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Rom 9:30–32What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith; but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,

There is a difference in how James and Paul use the word faith

In Paul's use faith drives all the activity of man.

A man who truly has faith will act according to that faith

James however states

But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that a God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS,” and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

New American Standard Bible, 1995 Edition: Paragraph Version (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation, 1995), Jas 2:18–26.

James use of the word faith is of a weaker standard he compares to that which demons believe.

You believe that a God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder

New American Standard Bible, 1995 Edition: Paragraph Version (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation, 1995), Jas 2:19.

We who argue for sola fide employ a definition of faith as does Paul.

The problem is that most people take James' definition of faith and appliy it directly to Paul's usage of the word faith. How do we guard against that error?

 

[Doug Brents]

You have not showed one scripture that specifically says Christ died for every last person on the earth without expectation

You must answer the questions posed to you. If you don't know what the words mean, then you cannot understand the Scriptures.
What does the word "all" mean?
Who all is part of "the whole world"?

 

[civic]

Who says full blown sola fide eliminates all free will.

Produce a verse that states such.

I think he means it according to " Reformed " Theology which is primarily calvinistic in thought.

 

[civic]

Also the "faith alone " concept is misguided since genuine faith always accompanies good works, fruit etc...... Faith like love is action oriented having something we do which makes salvific faith synergistic, not monergistic.

hope this helps !!!

 

[brightfame52]

You must answer the questions posed to you. If you don't know what the words mean, then you cannot understand the Scriptures.
What does the word "all" mean?
Who all is part of "the whole world"?

You need to admit that there's no scripture that says Christ died for all mankind and every individual specifically

 

[Doug Brents]

You need to admit that there's no scripture that says Christ died for all mankind and every individual specifically

I cannot do that, because that would be a lie, and I do not lie.

Now, answer the questions.
What does the word "all" mean?
Who all is part of "the whole world"?

 

[Amos]

John 12:32. And if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men to Myself.”


When Jesus spoke these words, He was indicating that His death would attract people to Him, symbolizing the universal appeal of His sacrifice. This statement encompasses not only His crucifixion but also His resurrection and ascension, highlighting the significance of His mission to draw all humanity to Himself.

 

[brightfame52]

I cannot do that, because that would be a lie, and I do not lie.

You don't have a scripture for it

 

[Doug Brents]

You don't have a scripture for it

Answer the question posed to you. Quit dancing around your fictions and answer the questions.

What does the word "all" mean?
Who all is part of "the whole world"?

 

[brightfame52]

Answer the question posed to you. Quit dancing around your fictions and answer the questions.

What does the word "all" mean?
Who all is part of "the whole world"?

Show the scripture that specifically says that

 

[Doug Brents]

Show the scripture that specifically says that

It will do no good to show you the verses that answer your question, because you cannot define "all", nor can you tell me what "the whole world" means. When you can answer those questions then the answer to your question will make sense.

 

[brightfame52]

It will do no good to show you the verses that answer your question, because you cannot define "all", nor can you tell me what "the whole world" means. When you can answer those questions then the answer to your question will make sense.

There is no such scripture!

 

[Doug Brents]

There is no such scripture!

That doesn't matter yet!!
Answer the questions:
What does the word "all" mean?
Who all is part of "the whole world"?

 

[synergy]

That doesn't matter yet!!
Answer the questions:
What does the word "all" mean?
Who all is part of "the whole world"?

The only possibility outside "the whole world" is Aliens from other galaxies. BF52 is not willing to mention that only possible answer.

 

[brightfame52]

That doesn't matter yet!!
Answer the questions:
What does the word "all" mean?
Who all is part of "the whole world"?

Well you made a false statement