No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[brightfame52]

I can’t receive what hasn’t been given…


Doug

Evidently it hasn't been given to you as it has been given to me

 

[brightfame52]

So, God is “not willing that any should perish” (2 Pet. 3:9) is actually "it is God's will that they perish"????? "Any" and "all men" mean everyone. So again, you have violated the Law of Noncontradiction. Calvinism is a disease that destroys people's ability to think logically.

2 Peter 3:9 is not talking about the vessels of wrath that God made for destruction. In fact it's talking about the elect the vessels of Mercy

 

[atpollard]

That's just you opinion. As we are just getting warmed up.

It's a low down dirty shame how the Calvinism’s misrepresentation of the God of the Bible, whom I love with all my heart, has has given atheists a reason not to believe in Him.

Frankly sir, you know not of what you speak.

I was raised atheist in a world of atheists and I can assure you that the Calvin vs Arminius debate was a matter of complete inconsequence to our disbelief in your invisible unicorn in the sky called “god”. Exchanges like those found in any gathering of so-called Christians is far greater proof of God’s non-existence. Still greater proof is the so-called “problem of evil” and God’s apparent complete indifference to it.

No, both predestination and free will are nonsensical arguments when stood against empirical reality.
Only the supernatural revelation of the REALITY of God (like what confronted Saul on the road to Damascus) could force the sort of re-evaluation needed to overcome the contrary empirical evidence.

 

[Kokomo]

Evidently it hasn't been given to you as it has been given to me

The god of this world will do that. All Calvinists defend him and teach his sovereignty.

Calvanists in general, are excessively scurrilous and abusive, that contending with them resembles lighting with chimney-sweepers, or bathing in a mud-pool. So they can but raise a temporary mist before the eyes of their deluded adherents, they care not what they invent, nor whereof they affirm. Augustus Toplady

 

[synergy]

2 Peter 3:9 is not talking about the vessels of wrath that God made for destruction. In fact it's talking about the elect the vessels of Mercy

"Any" in 2 Pet 3:9 are all those who have not repented yet. And you're on record as saying that "any" are only "the elect, the vessel of Mercy". Those 2 statements combined means that all those who have not repented yet are the elect. The reverse of that is that you believe that the nonelect have all repented. Boy, you are lost.

 

[Kokomo]

Frankly sir, you know not of what you speak.

I was raised atheist in a world of atheists and I can assure you that the Calvin vs Arminius debate was a matter of complete inconsequence to our disbelief in your invisible unicorn in the sky called “god”. Exchanges like those found in any gathering of so-called Christians is far greater proof of God’s non-existence. Still greater proof is the so-called “problem of evil” and God’s apparent complete indifference to it.

No, both predestination and free will are nonsensical arguments when stood against empirical reality.
Only the supernatural revelation of the REALITY of God (like what confronted Saul on the road to Damascus) could force the sort of re-evaluation needed to overcome the contrary empirical evidence.

Sure I do, I just don't have a clue of what your talking about. But you do have the right to say it. But it does sound kind of weird "invisible unicorn" "world of atheists". I glad you survived through a difficult and challenging experience and made it through.

 

[TibiasDad]

Evidently it hasn't been given to you as it has been given to me

You’re avoiding the question: what scripture specifically states that salvation is given in order to allow us to believe.

Doug

 

[brightfame52]

"Any" in 2 Pet 3:9 are all those who have not repented yet. And you're on record as saying that "any" are only "the elect, the vessel of Mercy". Those 2 statements combined means that all those who have not repented yet are the elect. The reverse of that is that you believe that the nonelect have all repented. Boy, you are lost.

2 Peter 3:9 is about the elect, the vessels of mercy. When Peter wrote that epistle many of the elect had not yet been born in the flesh, some it would be centuries later.

 

[brightfame52]

You’re avoiding the question: what scripture specifically states that salvation is given in order to allow us to believe.

Doug

I've already told you

 

[Kokomo]

I've already told you

I wonder how many times you have posted that same post? O wait you already told me

I looked it up "

Search results for query: I already told you'​

Three whole Pages worth, you need to come up with some new material.

 

[brightfame52]

I wonder how many times you have posted that same post? O wait you already told me

Probably the same amount of times that people been asking me the same thing duh

 

[Kokomo]

Probably the same amount of times that people been asking me the same thing duh

That's called the blame game. Duh Fits you well

 

[brightfame52]

That's called the blame game. Duh Fits you well

I haven't blamed anyone I'm just responding to you

 

[Kokomo]

You have used "I've already told you" as a reply on over 3 pages of your posts. And yet you clam to just be responding to what someone has asked.

Can you see the absurdity of that? You blame them for you lack of an answer. I've seen you get called out for it.

 

[brightfame52]

You have used "I've already told you" as a reply on over 3 pages of your posts. And yet you clam to just be responding to what someone has asked.

Can you see the absurdity of that? You blame them for you lack of an answer. I've seen you get called out for it.

You beating a dead horse

 

[TomL]

I say the same about you my friend

Except you cannot back it up with scripture and ignore verse after verse.

 

[TomL]

No it doesn't

Yeah it does

That is an error that denies scripture

John 3:36 (NASB 95) — 36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Faith is granted by the word of God

Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.

Romans 10:6–14 (NASB 95) — 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Romans 1:16 (NASB 95) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

 

[TomL]

I know at carm you have seen a lot of that. And never once backed down. We are lucky to have you here.

Thank you for the kind word.

 

[TomL]

Romans 12:3 "... as God has allotted to each (Christian) a measure of faith." Obviously this is in addition to the faith required to get saved in the first place. But this verse, in which Paul is addressing Christians, tells us that at least one result of being saved is that God gives us an additional measure of faith.

Yes in God's gifting

Romans 12:3–8 (NASB 95) — 3 For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith. 4 For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6 Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; 7 if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; 8 or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

 

[brightfame52]

Except you cannot back it up with scripture and ignore verse after verse.

I say the same to you my friend