brightfame52
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Gods drawing saved them Jn 6:44-45
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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FreeInChrist
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And I do
FreeInChrist
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Exactly.
And in that particular verse men who had belief in God were those being drawn.
They were drawn by the word
John 6:45 (KJV 1900) — 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Not by irresistible force
brightfame52
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The drawing saved them, it's the application of Salvation. It's regeneration, the effectual call, the giving of faith and repentance, knowledge, it covered every Spiritual Blessings needed to save
Again They were drawn by the word
John 6:45 (KJV 1900) — 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Not by irresistible force
The word of God is sufficient
John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
that one might believe
To claim that regeneration precedes faith, is to claim that God can bestow life apart from the blood of His Son. It is to claim that God gives life prior to the removal of sin. Since it is sin that causes spiritual death, our sin must first be removed through Christ’s blood before God can give us life. As long as sin remains, death remains. If God can bestow life (regenerate) apart from the the application of Christ’s blood, then the atonement becomes less than the necessary means by which a holy God reconciles sinners to himself (Rom. 5:10; Col. 1:21-23).
brightfame52
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The drawing saved them and yes then the word is heard
Nope, the word is first heard, then they are saved
John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
brightfame52
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Thy are regenerated Sheep, John wrote only to the saints
You are ignoring what the verse states
John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
brightfame52
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That's to the regenerate Sheep, scripture is not written to the Spiritually dead
It's absurd to think you must be given life so that you can believe and then be given life.
FreeInChrist
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You know @TomL ....
I understand why a simple layperson would read and come to the conclusions that the predestinees come to because they are stuck on a few scriptures and do no indepth study of even how said scripture is used in a given situation, and they totally ignore everything that pu;ls away from that... like your that believing ye might have life through his name.
What truly is a shame is that those who have studied things in depthes like the clergy... how they have gotten so swayed
is beyond me.
FreeInChrist
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Do you believe that the Demons in the bible are spiritually alive or spiritually dead?
brightfame52
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Yes believing spiritual things is evidence of spiritual life
As I stated
It's absurd to think you must be given life so that you can believe and then be given life.
brightfame52
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Life comes before believing, and believing is the evidence you have life. A person can be regenerated, have life, and dont know it. Then when in the providence of God, they are brought under the preaching of the Gospel, and believe, they have evidence or assurance of having eternal life
It happened that way with Cornelius, he was a regenerated man, feared God, but he lacked Gospel knowledge and Peter was sent to him to preach the Gospel so they could hear and believe Acts 15 7
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Not if you believe scripture
John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40 (LEB) — 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Acts 16:31 (LEB) — 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”
Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.
John 3:15–16 (LEB) — 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
brightfame52
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Spiritual life precedes spiritual believing
