No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

brightfame52 said:
False, Grace does all the saving and gives the faith
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Faith precedes salvation.

Ephesians 2:8 (LEB) — 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God;
and access to the grace is by faith.

And access into this grace is through faith

Romans 5:2 (LEB) — 2 through whom also we have obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we boast in the hope of the glory of God.


Romans 4:16 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Being by faith, it is according to grace.
 
brightfame52 said:
No its not, but you can say the Church Acts 20:28

28 ake heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
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Sorry, that is apparently false

You ignored a number of verses.

1 John 2:2and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:15And he died for all, in order that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for the one who died for them and was raised.

1 Tim 2:5–6For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

Heb 2:9but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.

Titus 2:11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

2 Pet 3:9The Lord is not delaying the promise, as some consider slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not want any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

1 Tim 4:10For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

1 John 4:14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

The meaning of the word "world" is not sheep or church.
 
brightfame52 said:
No its not, the Sheep and the Church are one, that's why Paul called the Church the flock of God.
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But neither are the whole world or all people.

You ignored a number of verses.

1 John 2:2and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:15And he died for all, in order that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for the one who died for them and was raised.

1 Tim 2:5–6For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

Heb 2:9but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.

Titus 2:11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

2 Pet 3:9The Lord is not delaying the promise, as some consider slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not want any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

1 Tim 4:10For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

1 John 4:14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

The meaning of the word "world" is not sheep or church.
 
brightfame52 said:
Faith accompanies vital salvation.
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Faith precedes salvation.

Ephesians 2:8 (LEB) — 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God;
and access to the grace is by faith.

And access into this grace is through faith

Romans 5:2 (LEB) — 2 through whom also we have obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we boast in the hope of the glory of God.


Romans 4:16 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Being by faith, it is according to grace.
 
brightfame52 said:
Actually its a false accusation
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Romans 11:20 (LEB) — 20 Well said! They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand firm because of faith. Do not think arrogant thoughts, but be afraid.

It is based upon faith.

And faith is consistent with grace

Romans 4:16 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Romans 5:2 (LEB) — 2 through whom also we have obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we boast in the hope of the glory of God.

Ephesians 2:8 (LEB) — 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God;
 
Fortunately the bible is about peoples experiences with God.

Personal experience with God is a profound and transformative aspect of the Christian faith, where individuals encounter the divine presence and guidance in their lives. This experience is often characterized by a deep sense of connection, revelation, and spiritual growth. The Bible provides numerous accounts of personal experiences with God, illustrating how He interacts with His people in various ways.

Biblical Foundations:
The Bible is replete with narratives of individuals who had personal encounters with God. These experiences often led to significant changes in their lives and missions. For instance, Moses encountered God in the burning bush (Exodus 3:2-6), where God revealed His name and mission for Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. This encounter was marked by awe and reverence, as Moses was instructed to remove his sandals on holy ground.

Similarly, the prophet Isaiah had a vision of the Lord seated on a high and exalted throne, which led to his commissioning as a prophet (Isaiah 6:1-8). Isaiah's experience was one of purification and calling, as he responded to God's question, "Whom shall I send?" with, "Here am I. Send me!" (Isaiah 6:8).

In the New Testament, the Apostle Paul’s conversion on the road to Damascus is a pivotal example of personal experience with God. As Paul journeyed to persecute Christians, a light from heaven suddenly surrounded him, and he heard the voice of Jesus asking, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" (Acts 9:4). This encounter led to Paul's transformation from a persecutor of Christians to one of the most influential apostles.

Nature of Personal Experience with God:
Personal experiences with God can vary widely among individuals. They may occur through prayer, worship, reading Scripture, or in moments of crisis and decision-making. These experiences often involve a sense of God's presence, peace, and guidance. In Psalm 34:8, the psalmist invites believers to "taste and see that the LORD is good," suggesting that personal experience is both an invitation and a response to God's goodness.

The Holy Spirit plays a crucial role in facilitating personal experiences with God. Jesus promised His disciples that the Holy Spirit would be their Helper, teaching them all things and reminding them of His words (John 14:26). The Spirit's indwelling presence enables believers to experience God's love and truth in their daily lives.

Impact on Believers:
Personal experiences with God often lead to spiritual growth and maturity. They can result in increased faith, a deeper understanding of God's character, and a stronger commitment to His will. In Philippians 3:10, Paul expresses his desire to "know Christ and the power of His resurrection," highlighting the transformative power of personal experience with God.

These experiences can also provide comfort and assurance during trials. In 2 Corinthians 1:3-4, Paul speaks of God as the "Father of compassion and the God of all comfort," who comforts believers in their troubles so they can comfort others. Personal encounters with God can thus equip believers to minister to others with empathy and understanding.

Conclusion:
While personal experiences with God are unique to each individual, they are a vital aspect of the Christian journey. They affirm God's active presence in the world and His desire for a personal relationship with His people. Through these experiences, believers are drawn closer to God, equipped for service, and empowered to live out their faith in a transformative way.

Bible Hub
 
brightfame52 said:
Salvation isnt based on Faith, its based on Christ and the Grace of God
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It is through faith

Eph 2:8–9For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.
Rom 10:9–10that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.
Heb 11:6Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him.
John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
Rom 5:1Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gal 2:16but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Mark 16:16The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
Acts 16:31And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”
 
FreeInChrist said:
And what about the work of Jesus? You skirt that perfectly.
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What you mean ? I have a thread dedicated to the work of Christ

brightfame52

Thread 'Things that accompany Christ'

Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Those whom Christ was delivered up for have the following blessings freely given them,

1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Yes these blessings automatically come with the giving of Christ for sinners,

Wisdom Eph 1:17

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and...
 

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