No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

God's grace leads us to repentance and a changed and improved life. Grace is universally needed by everyone. Even the well-adjusted righteous person who still falls short and can only look to God's grace for salvation.
 
brightfame52 said:
Same people, the Sheep.
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Sorry, that is apparently false

You ignored a number of verses.

1 John 2:2and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:15And he died for all, in order that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for the one who died for them and was raised.

1 Tim 2:5–6For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

Heb 2:9but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.

Titus 2:11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

2 Pet 3:9The Lord is not delaying the promise, as some consider slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not want any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

1 Tim 4:10For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

1 John 4:14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
 
brightfame52 said:
No its not, election of grace is based upon grace.
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You deny scripture

Romans 11:20 (LEB) — 20 Well said! They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand firm because of faith. Do not think arrogant thoughts, but be afraid.

It is based upon faith.

And faith is consistent with grace

Romans 4:16 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Romans 5:2 (LEB) — 2 through whom also we have obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we boast in the hope of the glory of God.

Ephesians 2:8 (LEB) — 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God;
 
brightfame52 said:
No one can come to Jesus unless capacitated by the Father; that is, no one has the ability to receive Jesus unless the Father gives it to him.

John 6:44,65

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

This defeats the false notion of man having a freewill to receive Jesus Christ as in Jn 1:12

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
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@brightfame52 ... again you are wrong and it is not just me who says so but see the following links, based on the questions I asked. Free will is alive and well and works so well with all things God.

And @brightfame52 , if the later link does not clearly explain my beliefs to you then you have made your choice.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 1:12 Magandang Balita Biblia 12 Subalit ang lahat ng tumanggap at sumampalataya sa kanya ay binigyan niya ng karapatang maging mga anak ng Diyos.
Great translation don't you think.
Explain the many that received him in John 1:12
NOW.
AI This verse, John 1:12, means that anyone who accepts and believes in Jesus Christ is granted the privilege and authority to become a child of God. It emphasizes the transformative relationship between faith in Jesus and one's identity as part of God's family.
The "many" who received Him in John 1:12 refers to all individuals who accept and believe in Jesus Christ, regardless of their background or status. This verse emphasizes that anyone who believes in His name is given the right to become a child of God.
christianitypath.com

John 1:12 Meaning & Explanation (with Related Verses) - Christianity Path

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name."
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John 1:12 Meaning​

This verse carries profound significance as it reveals the essence of relationship between believers and Jesus Christ. We see that John 1:12 highlights the transformative power of accepting Jesus into our lives. When we receive Christ, we move from being mere human beings to becoming children of God. This is not just a change in title but a fundamental shift in identity and belonging.

We are granted the right and privilege to be called God’s children. This signifies great honor and love, showing how God desires to be intimately connected with us. To be a child of God means we inherit His promises and presence in our lives. We are included in His family, secure in our relationship with Him.

Furthermore, the concept of believing on His name plays a crucial role in this transformation. Belief here is not just a mental agreement but a deep-seated faith that manifests in how we live our lives. It involves trust in God’s character, His goodness, and His promises. By placing our faith in Christ, we are saying yes to His way of life and to the relationship He offers.

This verse assures us that God’s invitation is open to everyone. It doesn’t matter what our past looks like; all it requires is an open heart to receive Him. As we think on this, we can find great comfort in knowing that acceptance by God is based solely on our response to His invitation.
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How do the many as received him, receive him. Is it predestination? (this was a question I searched)

AI suggests The phrase "many as received him" refers to individuals who accept Jesus Christ and his message, which suggests a personal choice rather than a predetermined fate. While predestination is a theological concept that some believe relates to God's foreknowledge and election, the act of receiving Christ is often viewed as a response to God's invitation, emphasizing human free will in the process of salvation.
www.biblestudytools.com

What Does the Bible Really Say about Predestination? - Topical Studies

We must first establish that predestination is a Biblical doctrine. Though many think of it as a New Testament teaching, there is evidence of it in the Old Testament as well. In the Old Testament, God chose people for his specific purpose, even though pre...
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Does Predestination Supersede Man’s Free Will?​

Belief in Jesus is critical to obtaining salvation; without belief in Jesus, no one can be saved. We also know that we come to this place of belief as God draws us to him. This means God plays a role in calling people to him and giving them the opportunity to put their trust and faith in him. However, belief is still a choice, so how does this align with the doctrine of predestination? If man’s eternal destiny is predetermined by God, then what role does belief even play if it will not change what God has already determined? The answer to this question depends on how you view predestination.

I mentioned earlier there are two major positions on predestination. One position is known as unconditional election, which means God chooses people by his will and human actions or decisions have nothing to do with it. This position is consistent with Calvinism. For those who hold this position, they may use verses like these to support it:

“For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will” (Ephesians 1:4-5).
“In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will” (Ephesians 1:11).
The other position states that God’s predestination is based on his foreknowledge. Since God is all-knowing, he knows in advance who will choose to receive Christ or reject him. Because he has this knowledge, then he will predestine those who he knows will choose him to an eternity in heaven and to hell for those who don’t. However, man still has the free will to make this decision. This is consistent with Arminianism. This verse in Romans seems to support this position.

“For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:29-30).

Why Is God’s Foreknowledge Important to Predestination?​

The passages in Romans reveals that God predestines those he knows will receive him. This brings his foreknowledge to the center of the conversation. I believe we should consider every mention of predestination in the Bible, with the acknowledgment that God already knows in advance who will receive Christ and choose the path of salvation, and who will reject it. You cannot have a conversation about predestination without recognizing this truth.

The reason God’s foreknowledge matters is that without it, predestination seems unjust because it removes man’s ability to choose and therefore takes away man’s free will. How can God judge you for rejecting Christ and his plan of salvation if you never had a choice in the matter? While no one is worthy of salvation, God has left the choice to receive and follow him up to us, which means we receive either eternal life or eternal condemnation, but we decide which one we want.

Romans 10:13 tells us that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. This means that everyone who looks to God for salvation will find it. The act of calling is a response to God drawing you, but you can still decide how you will respond to that call.

Freedom to Choose​

“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9).
This verse forces us to consider predestination from another perspective, one that I believe reinforces the idea that God does not supersede our ability to choose. The truth this verse tells us is God does not want anyone to perish because his desire is for everyone to come to repentance. If God wants everyone to come to repentance, then why not just predestine everyone to do that?

The only logical conclusion, in my opinion, is while he wants everyone to come to repentance, he does not force everyone to come to repentance. He allows us to choose if we will repent and if we will believe. As much as he loves mankind, he will not override man’s will and allows people the freedom to choose the direction they will walk in. This too has been consistent throughout Scripture.

“But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord” (Joshua 24:15).
In God’s love and mercy, he will give you enough evidence to make that decision, but the decision you choose he will leave up to you.

Final Thought​

The debate and discussion about predestination will not end any time soon. Certainly, my one article will not solve this debate. So, what should be our focus: predestination or preaching?

Regardless of your position on predestination, we have a responsibility to share this gospel with other people. It’s not for us to determine who will believe and who won’t – we have no control over that. However, we can control whether we share this truth or not. Let’s focus on doing what God has called us to do and let him deal with everything else. Our job is to bring the good news, not figure out who will receive it.
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brightfame52 said:
False accusation
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Actually, it is a true statement.

Romans 11:20 (LEB) — 20 Well said! They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand firm because of faith. Do not think arrogant thoughts, but be afraid.

It is based upon faith.

And faith is consistent with grace

Romans 4:16 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Romans 5:2 (LEB) — 2 through whom also we have obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we boast in the hope of the glory of God.

Ephesians 2:8 (LEB) — 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God;
 

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