Kirk Cameron and annihilationism

@Jim....

You cannot see flesh in heaven? Of any manner?

Question. Did Adam have flesh? After all he was molded from the dirt of the ground and God breathed life into this shape that was formed.

Question. How is it if you Heavenly Father was able to take dirt and breath life into it do you not understand your Heavenly Father is more then able to take and give you a new body that does not need blood?



What are glorified bodies in the Bible?



What does the Bible say about glorified bodies?


GLORIFIED BODIES IN SCRIPTURE
THE PROMISE OF RESURRECTION
Scripture consistently affirms that those who belong to Christ will be raised in glorified bodies. “It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory” (1 Corinthians 15:43). This promise serves as a cornerstone of hope for believers, pointing toward a transformation that transcends mortality.
THE MODEL OF CHRIST’S RESURRECTION BODY
Jesus’ physical resurrection provides the primary example of what a glorified body looks like. Following His crucifixion, He rose and appeared to His disciples in bodily form (Luke 24:36-39). Yet this body was fundamentally different from a mere resuscitated corpse: “He appeared in another form” (Mark 16:12). After the Resurrection, Jesus could enter locked rooms (John 20:19), and yet He could still eat (Luke 24:42-43). This demonstrates both a real, tangible body and capabilities that go beyond ordinary human limitations.
Paul explains that believers are conformed to Christ’s glorified state: “He... will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). Because Christ’s resurrected body was free from decay and physical limitations, we anticipate a future body that is imperishable and honor-filled.
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EARTHLY AND GLORIFIED BODIES
In 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, Paul contrasts our natural bodies with the glorified bodies we will receive. Our current bodies experience labor, sickness, and sin’s effects, but our future bodies will not. He depicts an imperishable, powerful, and spiritual existence: “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body” (1 Corinthians 15:44). This “spiritual body” does not mean immaterial; rather, it exists under the direct life-giving power of God’s Spirit.
THE TIMING OF RECEIVING A GLORIFIED BODY
Believers are resurrected at the return of Christ. Paul explains, “The dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that... we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 excerpt). This indicates that at Christ’s Second Coming, those who have died and those still living will be instantaneously changed and clothed with immortality (1 Corinthians 15:51-52).
OLD TESTAMENT AND FUTURE RESURRECTION
The Old Testament anticipates a future bodily resurrection. Job declared, “Yet in my flesh I will see God” (Job 19:26 excerpt). Daniel also records a promise of resurrection: “Many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake” (Daniel 12:2 excerpt). These passages foreshadow the hope of being raised in a transformed body, which the New Testament clarifies through Christ’s finished work.
ASSURANCE THROUGH CHRIST’S RESURRECTION
Multiple lines of early Christian and historical evidence indicate that Jesus’ tomb was found empty, and that His followers had profound experiences of the risen Christ. Researchers across a wide spectrum of belief systems acknowledge the early testimony of Paul (1 Corinthians 15:3-7) as historically reliable. This foundation supports the doctrinal claim of a future resurrection for believers. Because Christ was physically raised, His people can trust that they too will be raised with bodies made new.
THE GLORIFIED BODY’S CHARACTERISTICS
1) Imperishable: There will be no sickness, aging, or death.
2) Powerful: Abilities exceed current human limitations, subject to God’s design.
3) Recognizable: Jesus was recognized after His resurrection, though sometimes not immediately (Luke 24:31).
4) Spiritual and Physical: Though glorified, the body is still “bodily,” just as Jesus ate and was touched.
IMPLICATIONS FOR DAILY LIFE
The promise of a future resurrection body instills hope and motivates holy living. Paul teaches that the knowledge of resurrection steadies believers in hardship: “Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast... your labor in the Lord is not in vain” (1 Corinthians 15:58 excerpt). With a guaranteed victory over death, believers are free to persevere and serve confidently.
OBJECTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS
Some question how a physical body can be truly eternal. However, biblical teaching presents God as the all-powerful Creator, fully capable of transforming decay-prone flesh into an everlasting form. This theme aligns with reports of Christ’s miraculous healings and further underscores God’s sovereign ability to restore and renew.
Others raise concerns about identity-will each individual remain truly themselves? The scriptural view is that our personal individuality continues in our resurrected state, perfected and made whole in Christ. We see this in Jesus’ post-resurrection appearances: He was identifiable as the same person, yet glorified and no longer bound by mortal weakness.
CONCLUSION
The Bible’s teaching on glorified bodies reaffirms God’s redemptive plan that extends to both soul and body. Because Christ secured resurrection life through His victory over death, believers look forward to a future body that is imperishable, glorious, and fit for eternal communion with God. This confident expectation not only provides comfort but also lays a foundation for hope, worship, and dedicated service in the present life.​



The evidence for a bodily/physical resurrection is overwhelming in Scripture- moreso than the trinity and deity of Christ yet the same ones denying the resurrection say they believe in the trinity/deity of Christ.

And we know where the very source of this denial has its origin from the gnostics. It comes directly from the very spirit of antichrist as per Johns teaching in 1 John 4:2-4 and 2 John 1:7. Which says Jesus came in the flesh at a point in time and remains in the flesh in the present.
 
We all know you disagree. You disagree with everything.

Be that as it may... there is evidence in the 66 books that there is physical in heaven. I wont repeat them again as you have said not to it all.....

What I was to know is what proof you have in the 66 books that there is nothing physical in heaven?

Ypou do not believe 1Enoch, and I AM SURE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE Elijah was taken up to heaven in a whirlwind

Humor me for just a minute and tell me that assumoing Elijah happened as written.... Do you think he was just taken out of sight above the clouds and then vaporized to eliminate his flesh.

You know something... It would be something if once we die we find out that all those UFO sighing's that have happened actually are the bodies left behind when their spirits and souls are called up hither....

That could make a great sci-fi pic.
Spot on !
 
The evidence for a bodily/physical resurrection is overwhelming in Scripture- moreso than the trinity and deity of Christ yet the same ones denying the resurrection say they believe in the trinity/deity of Christ.

And we know where the very source of this denial has its origin from the gnostics.

Perhaps, but I think it more likely the god of this age is getting a foot hold in anyone where there is a perceived weakness of not understanding. I think we will see more and more of that in these later days. Just as we see the fruition come to play of 2 Cor 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, by him giving the people what they want so long as it feels good and these ones are not going to repent, unfortunately for "Satan" has fairly sucked the life out of them.

Maranatha


It comes directly from the very spirit of antichrist as per Johns teaching in 1 John 4:2-4 and 2 John 1:7. Which says Jesus came in the flesh at a point in time and remains in the flesh in the present.
 
The Transfiguration also shows Jesus in His glory he now has was in the flesh having a physical body. One would have to deny the Transfiguration as well to hold to no glorified flesh existing.
All assumption. It is not said that what the disciples saw in the transfiguration is how it is or will be in heaven. It does not indicate a change in substance; it only indicates a change in appearance.
 
The evidence for a bodily/physical resurrection is overwhelming in Scripture- moreso than the trinity and deity of Christ yet the same ones denying the resurrection say they believe in the trinity/deity of Christ.
No there is no evidence of any physical resurrection at the end of the age. In fact the statement that it is not a natural body but a spiritual body is evidence of just the opposite of what you wish to believe.
And we know where the very source of this denial has its origin from the gnostics. It comes directly from the very spirit of antichrist as per Johns teaching in 1 John 4:2-4 and 2 John 1:7. Which says Jesus came in the flesh at a point in time and remains in the flesh in the present.
Only according to your false assumptions about heavenly things being physical.
 
All assumption. It is not said that what the disciples saw in the transfiguration is how it is or will be in heaven. It does not indicate a change in substance; it only indicates a change in appearance.
Kind of like a chameleon....?
 
Perhaps, but I think it more likely the god of this age is getting a foot hold in anyone where there is a perceived weakness of not understanding. I think we will see more and more of that in these later days. Just as we see the fruition come to play of 2 Cor 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, by him giving the people what they want so long as it feels good and these ones are not going to repent, unfortunately for "Satan" has fairly sucked the life out of them.

Maranatha
Agreed 👍
 
No there is no evidence of any physical resurrection at the end of the age. In fact the statement that it is not a natural body but a spiritual body is evidence of just the opposite of what you wish to believe.

Only according to your false assumptions about heavenly things being physical.
Projecting
 
All assumption. It is not said that what the disciples saw in the transfiguration is how it is or will be in heaven. It does not indicate a change in substance; it only indicates a change in appearance.
They saw Him in all His glory ?

Is Jesus now in heaven in all His glory ?

Yes or no
 
They saw Him in all His glory ?

Is Jesus now in heaven in all His glory ?

Yes or no
Whatever you wish to think. Although the versions that I have don't mention them seeing Him in all His glory. I guess they are not the right versions.
 
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There are valves in the heart. Have you ever siphoned anything before. The heart pump and pulls blood through the cycling of the heartbeat.
Oh, good grief. The heart pumps blood. It forces blood throughout the body by pressure. The action of the heart is measured in millimeters of pressure, not vacuum.
 
Oh, good grief. The heart pumps blood. It forces blood throughout the body by pressure. The action of the heart is measured in millimeters of pressure, not vacuum.
Oh, good grief. It is a closed system until a spear cuts it open.
Did you know our veins have flaps in the them? There is a reason for this.

If you've ever had blood clots, you might want to learn how things work ..
 
Whatever you wish to think. Although the versions that I have don't mention them seeing Him in all His glory. I guess they are not the right versions.
as they say " CONTEXT " is everything, CONTEXT is KING.

You do know there are no chapters and verses in the original document of the Greek New Testament right ?

Lets see if you will answer this simple question with a yes or a no ?

Now we can move on to Jesus teaching in Matthew 16 which comes right before Matthew 17 account of the Trandsfiguration.

Matthew 16:21-27
21From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”
23Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.
25For whoever wants to save their lifewill lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?
27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
28Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

The Transfiguration follows Matthew 16 above.

Matthew 17:1-13
After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves.
2There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
3;Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
4Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
5While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
6When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.
9As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”
10The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
11Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
 
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