Kirk Cameron and annihilationism

[civic]

Sure. However, that doesn't change anything I said. The only thing left in his circulatory system was in the heart. You know the "thing" that does all the work to circulate the blood. That pump creates a vacuum. You should know how pumps and vacuums work.

NATURE.....

When the soldier pierced his side, It went straight to his heart through his lungs. The "gushing out" is an indication of the release of the pressure the vacuum created.

All of it.

I guess some do not believe God is Miraculous and can make anything work/ operate the way He wants. The glorified body does not have to operate under the same ways it has for the past 6,000 years or so if one believes in YEC, but that’s besides the point . Tge fact is in the new heavens and earth there will no longer be any star, moon, sun or sea. Yet there will still be light 24/7 and the trees of life will give their fruit alongside of the river of life.

These same doubting Thomas’s also have a problem with no more sin or capability to sin which they think somehow goes against a presupposed free will that would operated independently like it does now. They just don’t think things through with a biblical mindset but with a humanist mindset of the flesh, not the spirit

 

[praise_yeshua]

I guess some do not believe God is Miraculous and can make anything work/ operate the way He wants. The glorified body does not have to operate under the same ways it has for the past 6,000 years or so if one believes in YEC, but that’s besides the point . Tge fact is in the new heavens and earth there will no longer be any star, moon, sun or sea. Yet there will still be light 24/7 and the trees of life will give their fruit alongside of the river of life.

These same doubting Thomas’s also have a problem with no more sin or capability to sin which they think somehow goes against a presupposed free will that would operated independently like it does now. They just don’t think things through with a biblical mindset but with a humanist mindset of the flesh, not the spirit

Most people don't really understand the "flesh". They believe the flesh is innately sinful when it is innately neutral to sin. However, the flesh learns. The flesh craves things it learns. Innocence is just that. Not knowing. Seeking. The flesh has an appetite. It hungers. It thirst to reach beyond itself for things it can not create itself.

This is can be good and it can be bad. What we learn and experience is what our flesh becomes.

The Spirit is entirely different. It is innately good. It is the very nature of God. The "Spirit of Christ". When we are born again, His Spirit helps us subdue what we have learned in the flesh. It helps us subdue what we have learned from sinful people and experiences.

Yet we are a product of our "flesh" (parents, friends, teachers) and the wonderful things of God's Spirit.

Paul hated his flesh because of how He persecuted the Church of God and "ruined it". He had a problem with subduing the "baggage" he carried along in his life. He had to learn from the Spirit to be different. I do too....

If we are born again, we are the sons and daughters of God but we are also the sons and daughters of flesh. God doesn't abandon our flesh. He has purposed all to be united in the Bodily Resurrection.

 

[JesusFan]

Jesus took on the flesh and blood of the human being.

Heb 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

Heb 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

The only real difference was His Spirit, the Word.

jesus was and is God in Sinless human flesh

 

[praise_yeshua]

jesus was and is God in Sinless human flesh

How about we "unwrap" this a little.

I would generally agree with your comments above.

However, hasn't flesh changed since Adam?

 

[praise_yeshua]

How about we "unwrap" this a little.

I would generally agree with your comments above.

However, hasn't flesh changed since Adam?

@Jim @civic @FreeInChrist

I'm making this point because I believe we need to recognize the difference between what flesh has become vs what flesh entailed when Adam was created. (Not talking about depravity. I'm talking about physical attributes)

I make the argument that Jesus Christ after the flesh, was made in the virgin birth in more of the likeness of Adam than any of us.

There is an argument to be made that flesh has "devolved". I use this term not to argue for evolutionary beliefs. I don't believe in evolution relative to modern science. I believe the very physical construct of man has devolved over time because of sin.

1Co 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.

There has been a slow and meticulous destruction of the flesh over many generations due to sexual immorality.

Such was not the case in the flesh of Jesus Christ.

 

[FreeInChrist]

@Jim @civic @FreeInChrist

I'm making this point because I believe we need to recognize the difference between what flesh has become vs what flesh entailed when Adam was created. (Not talking about depravity. I'm talking about physical attributes)

I make the argument that Jesus Christ after the flesh, was made in the virgin birth in more of the likeness of Adam than any of us.

There is an argument to be made that flesh has "devolved". I use this term not to argue for evolutionary beliefs. I don't believe in evolution relative to modern science. I believe the very physical construct of man has devolved over time because of sin.

1Co 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.

There has been a slow and meticulous destruction of the flesh over many generations due to sexual immorality.

Such was not the case in the flesh of Jesus Christ.

I would accept that as accurate, but I would also say that when you say Jesus Christ after the flesh was made in the virgin birth more in the likeness of Adam than any of us, I see that not as evolutionary language, but as freedom from inherited corruption — humanity closer to Adam before the fall. His humanity was not degraded by sin the way ours is. There was only one ever conceived that way.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I would accept that as accurate, but I would also say that when you say Jesus Christ after the flesh was made in the virgin birth more in the likeness of Adam than any of us, I see that not as evolutionary language, but as freedom from inherited corruption — humanity closer to Adam before the fall. His humanity was not degraded by sin the way ours is. There was only one ever conceived that way.

I reject the traditional flawed position of total depravity. I hold to the tricotomy position that delineates a separation between soul and spirit. I do this because if one of the most famous verses in the Bible. Hebrew 4:12.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive, effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, cutting to the point of dividing soul and spirit, joints from marrows, astutely judging the thoughts and intents of our human heart.

There is a division that exists between soul and spirit. Man himself is a triune being. Flesh is just one of those aspects of the entirety of what means to be a human being.

Hebrew 4:12 also speaks of dividing joints and marrows. Which is a division found in flesh.

You will find little about this in classic theism. Most positions conflate the meaning of such distinctions. The human soul of man is misunderstood. It houses the mind and emotional construct of mankind.

Not since the world began has it been heard of such a Person that is born of a singular seed of the women and the nature of God. Once you really start embracing these facts, you will start finding many things fit together much differently than they once did before.

The mind and emotional state of a virgin women is entirely different than the proclivities common among men.

I don't believe many give much thought to this. The necessity of the women fulfilling the lacking existence of the man. It is the very center of love. The bond of perfection or maturity.