civic
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Yes it’s the “ tare” mixed with the wheat
Kirk Cameron and annihilationism
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Wick Stick
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The word "heaven" is often used figuratively in the Bible. The entire book of Matthew uses it as a stand-in to mean "God."
There are, of course, literal heavens. But it isn't clear to me that people, whether living or dead, go to live in the heavens. The Bible seems to indicate that there is a resurrection that happens on earth.
civic
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Yes and there will be the new heavens and the new earth as we read from Peter in his epistle and John in Revelation.
praise_yeshua
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Finish that verse. Suffering. Angels do not suffer. Pay attention to what you're reading.
No it hasn't. It is still in progress.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
You're still going to die right? Surely you're old enough by now to feel death in your own body. How does that work in claiming perfection in the "Atonement"?
You belittle the ongoing humility of Jesus Christ.
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Can you provide your best reference from Matthew for this?
There are some rather unique aspects to the history of Matthew.
civic
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Amen the gospel truth- the life, death, burial and RESURRECTION of the MAN- Christ Jesus from the dead bodily.
Had.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I already posted that verse, correcting @civic
Heb_10:10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
There is no requirement for Jesus to be human in order to make intercession.
And you belittle the glory by the Father to Jesus after His finishing the work the Father gave in to do.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Received up into glory with the glory that He had before the world was.
So you think He had glory in human flesh before the world was. Interesting.In the flesh yep
Wick Stick
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Those seem to me to be figurative as well. Both are references back to Isaiah 65:
17 For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress.
20 No more shall there be in it an infant that lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the child shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit; they shall not plant and another eat; for like the days of a tree shall the days of my people be, and my chosen shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain, or bear children for calamity; for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the LORD, and their children with them.
24 Before they call I will answer, while they are yet speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, the lion shall eat straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, says the LORD.
A careful reading of Isaiah makes it clear that what is being re-created is the nation of Israel; not the whole of the universe. By my reckoning, the heavens and the earth seem to make reference to the government of Israel, and the people of Israel, respectively.
This figurative language occurs several times in the Bible and seems to have its origin in Genesis 37, where Joseph's dream visualizes the 12 patriarchs of Israel as being stars, and his father and mother the sun and moon.
9 Then he dreamed another dream, and told it to his brothers, and said, "Behold, I have dreamed another dream; and behold, the sun, the moon, and eleven stars were bowing down to me."
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You keep saying the same thing. Which is wrong.
"once", as you're applying it, would have required that the Resurrection itself wasn't necessary. You need to stop this nonsense.
You've already witnessed to the necessity of the human body of Christ in the Resurrection. This "once" you appeal to was on the cross. Yet, those requirements extend beyond that event.
Christ had to die, once. The requirements of the Priestly work in the body form of Christ are clear. The necessity of the human form in the Resurrection are clear.
You are a "walking contradiction" in this. You need to change.
To you. Jesus was just a "one hit wonder" to YOU.... right? The work of God is just a "memory" for Christ that He would rather forget.
Do you remember me saying this? You keep requiring me to repeat the same things over and over again to you. No matter how you try to expand the evidence for your position, you're still stuck in your "walking contradiction".
You're still not answering me in any meaningful way. You're still going to die right? Do you feel in your bones the requirements of death in your members?
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