Jesus is God, but so are the Father and Holy SpiritGINOLJC, to all,
Sure, one word can answer that. "BLOOD". Hebrews 9:22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."
NOW GO AND LEARN WHY GOD (the Lord Jesus) IS THE "FIRST", AND THE "LAST". ...... (smile)...
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do you understand the ECHAD in diversity by the First and the Last in ordinal desiginations? find out and you will have your answer. understand 101G is "Diversified Oneness"
now, may 101G ask you this, "Concerning the Father and Son". in Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald." ONLY "ONE" SIT ON THE THRONE CORRECT...... now this, the ONE who sits on the throne, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." IS THIS THE "ONE" WHOM YOU CALL THE FATHER? here in verse 11? Yes or No.
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ok, if what you say is true, then answer this scripture, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
now, LISTEN CAREFULLY, is not the conceiver of a child the .... "father" of that child, yes or no.
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speaking of a willful choice .... in understanding may 101G ask you this, concerning the First and the Last. scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." one more, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
so is the First that is "WITH" the Last as well as the "Word" was "WITH" God according to John 1:1. in each scripture is that one PERSON or is that Two separate and distinct persons? looking to hear from you.
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Isaiah 41:4 [NASB] "Who has performed and accomplished [it,] Summoning the generations from the beginning? 'I, the LORD, am the first, and with the last. I am He.'"
The experts claim that the phrase "first and last" used in Isaiah 41:4 is a "bookend" as it is when used in other places to denote that God in the one that called ALL GENERATIONS and is 100% in charge. I have read it (and the context about encouraging Israel) several times and I cannot quite agree with those far more credentialed and studied than myself. I see something different.
- "I the LORD, the first" proclaims GOD [LORD - YHVH] is the first ([rison] - first in time and rank) ... God (the preeminent one) is responsible ... as an answer to the question "Who?"
- "and with the last" ... (with [et] speaks of "nearness" and "close association") ... (last [aharon] speaks of "later" or "last in time"). Taken together, I see a proclamation from GOD declaring his heart and character: GOD is near and associates with those that come last ... not the eldest son that receives a double portion, but the youngest daughter that is overlooked by everyone else as of little value.
- "[ani hu] ... "I am he." ... Not a simple statement but words of emphasis ... "THAT is who I am!"
John 1:1 [NASB] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Three truths, all great and all equal:
- WORD already existed in the BEGINNING (Genesis 1:1)
- Genesis 1:1 [NASB] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [the WORD was already there!]
- WORD was with GOD (two identities: WORD and GOD) ... not AS, not IN ... WITH!
- WORD was GOD (not "with", or "as" or "in") ... WAS!
The best answer that I can give you comes from two equally true scriptures:
- Deuteronomy 6:4-5 [NASB] "Hear, Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength."
- Luke 3:21-22 [NASB] Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came from heaven: "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well pleased."
The verse you quote does not mention about the unforgivable "blaspheme" against the Holy Spirit 101G.sure, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
NOW,........ did that child that was brought forth had "BLOOD" YES or NO? ...... (smile) ....YIKES.
101G.
Yes, the Emmanuel Child Himself taught us this truth, confirming that He and the Holy Spirit are distinct person to the other.
Luke 12:10 "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him.
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It time to tear down JW, Modalists and preterists all at once.
Godâs Design for Unity
I. The Source: The Nature of the Tri-Unity
Everything begins with the nature and character of God. Theology isn't just a study; itâs the foundation of reality. Our theology, beliefs must reflect Gods nature and character.
The Relational God: God is Love (1 John 4:8; 16). This love is not solitary but plural and relational. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exist in a perfect Unity of mutual love and specific roles. Jesus taught there was submission to the Father and the Holy Spirit to both the Father and Son in John 14-17. The head of every man is Christ and the head of every woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. See : 1 Corinthians 11:3 and 1 Corinthians 15:28
The Plural Design: Because âGod is loveâ (1 John 4:8), a strictly solitary view of God raises the question of how love could be eternally expressed. The Trinity provides the answerâGod has always existed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a perfect relationship of love. Because we are made in His image, God created us for relationship, declaring, âIt is not good for man to be alone.â We are built for relational connection because love and unity exist within God Himself.
II. The Reflections: Marriage and the Church
God ordained two institutions to mirror His own Tri-Unity on earth.
Reflection A: Marriage (The One Flesh): Just as the Trinity has distinct roles in one Essence, Marriage joins a husband and wife into "One Flesh" (Genesis 2:24). As the Son submits to the Father, and the Husband loves the Wife as Christ loves the Church (Ephesians 5:25), the family becomes a living icon of the Trinity. Ephesians 5:23- For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, His body, of which He is the Savior.
Reflection B: The Church (The One Body): As individuals, we are many, yet in Christ, we are one body (Ephesians 4:1-16). Our unity is proven by our love for one another (John 13:34-35). Christ has placed elders as overseers (1 Peter 5:1-4) to lead and guide, reflecting the order and protection found in the Godhead.
III. The Conclusion: Guarding the Design -If we get love wrong, we will inevitably get unity wrong.
The Four Unities: Our goal is to live out:
I. The Source: The Nature of the Tri-Unity
Everything begins with the nature and character of God. Theology isn't just a study; itâs the foundation of reality. Our theology, beliefs must reflect Gods nature and character.
The Relational God: God is Love (1 John 4:8; 16). This love is not solitary but plural and relational. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exist in a perfect Unity of mutual love and specific roles. Jesus taught there was submission to the Father and the Holy Spirit to both the Father and Son in John 14-17. The head of every man is Christ and the head of every woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. See : 1 Corinthians 11:3 and 1 Corinthians 15:28
The Plural Design: Because âGod is loveâ (1 John 4:8), a strictly solitary view of God raises the question of how love could be eternally expressed. The Trinity provides the answerâGod has always existed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a perfect relationship of love. Because we are made in His image, God created us for relationship, declaring, âIt is not good for man to be alone.â We are built for relational connection because love and unity exist within God Himself.
II. The Reflections: Marriage and the Church
God ordained two institutions to mirror His own Tri-Unity on earth.
Reflection A: Marriage (The One Flesh): Just as the Trinity has distinct roles in one Essence, Marriage joins a husband and wife into "One Flesh" (Genesis 2:24). As the Son submits to the Father, and the Husband loves the Wife as Christ loves the Church (Ephesians 5:25), the family becomes a living icon of the Trinity. Ephesians 5:23- For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, His body, of which He is the Savior.
Reflection B: The Church (The One Body): As individuals, we are many, yet in Christ, we are one body (Ephesians 4:1-16). Our unity is proven by our love for one another (John 13:34-35). Christ has placed elders as overseers (1 Peter 5:1-4) to lead and guide, reflecting the order and protection found in the Godhead.
III. The Conclusion: Guarding the Design -If we get love wrong, we will inevitably get unity wrong.
The Four Unities: Our goal is to live out:
- Unity in God (One God)
- Unity in Marriage (One Flesh)
- Unity in the Church (One Body)
- Unity in the Faith (One Faith)
True North: We must contend for the faith delivered once and for all (Jude 1:3). Scripture is our compass (2 Timothy 3:16-17). When we question Godâs authorityâas the enemy did in the Gardenâwe lose our "True North" and discord follows.
Summary: We aren't just here to understand Godâs design; we are here to live it out together. Where love leads, unity follows. May âGod is loveâ be the one characteristic that binds us together in the unity of the faith in our body. Let us reflect our God in the unity of the faith, loving one another and being of one mind together at a church, the body of Christ. This is Gods design for His church.
Now letâs look at this Unity, Oneness and Love with the future marriage supper of the Lamb, when the church is reunited with her Husband.
The Jewish wedding model, we will look at the Pentateuch, the Prophets, and the Psalms. While the New Testament (like John 14 and Matthew 25) makes the "Rapture" connection explicit, the Old Testament provides the "Legal and Cultural Shadow" that Jesus was fulfilling.
Here are the key Old Testament references that establish the pattern of the Groomâs absence and the Brideâs waiting:Summary: We aren't just here to understand Godâs design; we are here to live it out together. Where love leads, unity follows. May âGod is loveâ be the one characteristic that binds us together in the unity of the faith in our body. Let us reflect our God in the unity of the faith, loving one another and being of one mind together at a church, the body of Christ. This is Gods design for His church.
Now letâs look at this Unity, Oneness and Love with the future marriage supper of the Lamb, when the church is reunited with her Husband.
The Jewish wedding model, we will look at the Pentateuch, the Prophets, and the Psalms. While the New Testament (like John 14 and Matthew 25) makes the "Rapture" connection explicit, the Old Testament provides the "Legal and Cultural Shadow" that Jesus was fulfilling.
1. The Mohar (The Purchase Price)
In the ancient Near East, a marriage began with a legal covenant and a price paid by the Groomâs father.¡ Genesis 24:50â53: Abrahamâs servant (acting for the Groom, Isaac) brings precious jewelry and gifts to Rebekahâs family. This establishes that the "Price" is paid before the Groom and Bride ever live together.
¡ Hosea 2:19â20: God speaks to Israel as a Groom: "I will betroth you to Me forever... I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness." This shows that the Betrothal is a binding legal status, even while the two are physically apart.
2. The Separation (Building the "Mansion")
After the betrothal, the Groom would depart to his fatherâs estate to prepare the bridal chamber (Chuppah).¡ Psalm 45:8â15: This is a "Royal Wedding" Psalm. It describes the Groom in his "ivory palaces" (the Fatherâs house) while the Bride is being prepared in her own residence.
¡ Song of Solomon 2:8â10: The Bride is waiting behind "our wall," looking through the "lattice." She hears the voice of her beloved saying, "Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away." This is the classic "Berean" picture of the Groom returning to "snatch away" the Bride from her fatherâs house to his own.
3. The "Unexpected" Return & The Shout
The Groomâs return was often at night, preceded by a shout or a blast of a horn to alert the Bride.¡ Joel 2:16: "Gather the people... let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet (Chuppah)." This implies a specific "calling out" from their respective places of preparation.
¡ Jeremiah 33:11: Mentions the "voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride." This "Voice" was the signal that the period of waiting was over.
We have a covenant pattern with the Marriage Ceremony in Jewish culture
1. The Legal Standing: Just as the Mohar was paid in the OT, the "Price" was paid at the Cross. The Church is legally "The Bride," even while the Groom is physically in the Fatherâs House (The Ascension).
2. The Fatherâs House: In 2 Samuel 7:12â13, God promises David that his descendant (The Messiah) will build a "house" for Godâs name. Jesus in John 14 is simply telling the disciples: "I am going to finish the 'House' my Father promised."
3. The Marriage Mirror: In Isaiah 62:5, it says, "As the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee." This proves that Godâs primary "Mode of Operation" with His people is Relational Joy, not just "Legal Judgment."
Summary: If the Sacrifice was literal (The Lamb), and the High Priest was literal (The Mercy Seat), then the Jewish Wedding (The Groomâs Return) must also be a literal event.
The Old Testament shadows directly into the New Testament reality.
In 1 Thessalonians 4:16, the "shout" (keleuma in Greekâlike a commander's call) and the "trumpet of God" are the literal fulfillment of the Galilean Groom's arrival. In that culture, the Groomâs best man would run ahead and shout, "Behold, the Bridegroom comes!" to give the Bride a few moments to trim her lamp and grab her veil before he "snatched" her away.
The "Berean" Parallel: The Shout and the Trumpet
| Jewish Wedding Stage | OT Shadow / Cultural Practice | NT Fulfillment (1 Thess 4:16-17) |
| The Announcement | The "Voice of the Groom" (Jer. 33:11). | "The Lord Himself shall descend... with a shout." |
| The Signal | The Shofar(Trumpet) used to gather the assembly (Joel 2:16). | "With the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God." |
| The Snatching | The Harpazo(Sudden taking) of the Bride to the Fatherâs House. | "Then we... shall be caught uptogether with them in the clouds." |
| The Chamber | The 7-day secluded bridal chamber (Chuppah). | Meeting the Lord in the air to be "ever with the Lord" during the 7-year Tribulation. |
The "Unity" is the Anchor
1.Itâs Not Judgment, Itâs a Gathering: In Matthew 24 (the Second Coming), the trumpet gathers the elect from the four winds to Earth. But in 1 Thessalonians 4, the trumpet gathers the Brideto the Air.2.The Nature of Love: As we have discovered in the "Marriage Mirror," the Groom doesn't come back with a sword for His Bride; He comes back with a Shout of Joy.
3.The "Pre-Trib" Logic: If the Church is "One Flesh" with Christ, she cannot be the object of the Fatherâs "Wrath." The "Shout" is the signal that the "Mercy Seat" is moving from the Earthly Tabernacle to the Heavenly one.
Summary: The Reunion (The Wedding Feast):Godâs design for unity reaches its climax in the return of the Groom for His Bride. Just as the Son is in perfect Unity with the Father, He obeys the Fatherâs timing to return and "snatch away" His betrothed (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
The Purpose of the Return: It is not for judgment, but for Relational Completion. The Groom returns to bring the Bride into the "Mansion" He has prepared in His Fatherâs House (John 14:1-3).
The Ultimate Unity: The "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" is the final evidence that Godâs design for UnityâIt begins in the Tri-Unity and is reflected in earthly marriage and becomes an eternal reality in the marriage supper of the Lamb.
(Unity) is at every level:
¡ God's Design for Unity. The source is the Blueprint
¡ Begins in the Tri-Unity. The Foundation
¡ Reflected in earthly marriage. The Micro- Reflection
¡ Reflected in the one church- The Macro- Reflection
¡ Becomes an eternal reality in the marriage supper of the Lamb. The Fulfillment
This is a study I put together for our mens discipleship groups and our small home groups.
hope this helps !!!
101G
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GINOLJC, to all
Let's see what you said is true, see the post https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/all-claims-of-the-sons-deity.2185/post-201492
and as for Luke 3:21-22 ... did the verse say that the voice was the Father's voice? no.
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The design is "EAUALLY SHARED", not any UNITY, because a UNITY signify the state of being united or joined as a whole. and the opposit of a whole is, partial or incomplete.
ERROR, you said, "Unity of mutual love and specific roles"... ROLES? that's Modalism.
God is ONE PERSON, who has only ONE SOUL, which indicate a, a, a, PERSON.
Well let's get LOVE RIGHT, God is "LOVE", ONE PERSON, "For God so LOVE the World" ..... is the World in Unity with God?" yes or no?
God is one person.
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atpollard
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The voice said âmy sonâ ⌠that limits the speakers to âfatherâ or âmotherâ. You are welcome to embrace a doctrine of Jesusâ âMotherâ speaking from Heaven, but I will stick with Jesusâ âFatherâ saying from heaven âThis is My sonâ.
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My God, do you understand? guess not. you assumed that by what was said. well there is a study called hermeneutics. and in that study is a area called "NEAR" and "FAR". meaning what happen before repeats itself. as here at the Lord's baptism. EXAMPLE, when Abraham was commanded by God to sacrifice HIS Son Isaac, was it the voice of God that spoke from heaven? Let's see, Genesis 22:11 "And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I." Genesis 22:12 "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me."
who did Abraham, not withheld his only son from, the speaker who was talking, (THE ANGEL OF THE LORD?).
again, LISTEN, Genesis 22:15 "And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time," Genesis 22:16 "And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:" WHO was speaking from heaven here? the Lord or the angle of the LORD, speaking FOR GOD. see your mistake now?
see how the devil decieved you in "ASSUMPTION". ..... the vers never said that it was the Father voice, it said A VOICE from heaven. you and many more who are decieved assumed ... that it was the Fathers voice. UNDERSTAND, NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING. nor add to the word of God, and never take away from it either...... just say what the scripture states..... OK.
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âWho is the Angel of the Lord?â
Answer from Google AI:
The Angel of the Lord is a distinct, divine figure in the Old Testament who speaks as God, receives worship, and acts with divine authority. Many theologians identify this messenger as a theophany or christophanyâa pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christâas the figure is distinct from God yet represents Godâs presence and name.
Key Aspects of the Angel of the Lord:
- Identification as God: The Bible often uses "the angel of the LORD" and "the LORD" (Yahweh) interchangeably. When encountering this figure, individuals often realize they have seen God, such as in Exodus 3, where the angel appears in the burning bush and calls himself "I AM".
- Divine Authority and Name: In Exodus 23:21, God says of this angel: "pay careful attention to him... for my name is in him
- Distinct from God: While representing God, the angel is also depicted as interacting with God, praying, or acting as an intermediary (e.g., Zechariah 1:12).
- Specific Appearances: The angel appears to Hagar (Genesis 16), stops Abraham from sacrificing Isaac (Genesis 22), meets Joshua (Joshua 5), and appears to Gideon (Judges 6).
- Pre-Incarnate Christ: The appearances of "the angel of the LORD" cease after the birth of Christ, supporting the view that this was the Son of God taking on temporary, visible human form.
Unlike regular angels (such as Gabriel), who are created beings, the Angel of the Lord is portrayed as uniquely divine, often interpreted as the visible form of the invisible God.
Are you as smart as Google AI?
Luke 3:21-22 [NASB] Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came from heaven: "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well pleased."
One more time ⌠If JESUS is âMy beloved sonâ, then who is the âparentâ speaking from heaven?
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U asked, "Are you as smart as Google AI"? ........... lol, yes,,,,, Smarter, lol, lol, lol. now you said, "Identification as God: The Bible often uses "the angel of the LORD" and "the LORD" (Yahweh) interchangeably. When encountering this figure, individuals often realize they have seen God, such as in Exodus 3, where the angel appears in the burning bush and calls himself "I AM".
LOL, LOL, LOL, #1. "I AM is a verb", and NOT a NOUN, Listen carefully,
H1961 ×Ö¸×Ö¸× hayah (haw-yaw) v.
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.
now as for Google AI, Listen to what AI said, concering Genesis 3.
"Based on Exodus 3, both are identified: the Angel of the Lord appeared in the flame (v. 2), but God called to Moses from within the bush (v. 4). Theological interpretations consider this a theophanyâa visible manifestation of Godâwhere the Angel is understood to be God Himself or the pre-incarnate Christ speaking. WHATH? .. BOTH, you just got your answer..... BOTH. this came from,
Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange
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Key Details of the Encounter:
The Appearance: The angel appeared to Moses in a flame of fire within a bush on Mount Horeb, which burned without being consumed. The Voice: Once Moses turned to look, God spoke from the midst of the bush, identifying Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
GOD spoke? ...... lol, lol, lol, see how Google AI mislead you.
now 101G asked Google AI concering Genesis 22:15.
"In Genesis 22:15, it is the angel of the Lord who calls to Abraham from heaven. However, the angel speaks as God, using the first person ("...you have not withheld your son... from Me"), indicating the angel is acting as the direct representative or a manifestation of God himself.
so the angel of the LORD is NOT GOD, but a "representative " for God, because a representative, when used as a noun is 1. a person chosen or appointed to act or speak for another or others. ... there is your BOTH... lol, Oh my.
a person "WHO SPEAK FOR ANOTHER?" ....... Google AI have just caught it=self and you in a LIE. BECAUSE you said, and 101G quote, "Unlike regular angels (such as Gabriel), who are created beings, the Angel of the Lord is portrayed as uniquely divine, often interpreted as the visible form of the invisible God.".... well, uniquely divine? meaning, "in a way that belongs or is connected to only one particular person or thing. here again, Google AI has just BUSTED your belief into pieces. notice what it said, "the angle of the Lord is Divine?". for divine means, "of, from, or like God or a god". AND YOU SAID, 101g QUOTE "The Angel of the Lord is a distinct, divine figure in the Old Testament who speaks as God, receives worship, and acts with divine authoritY"
NOW "WORSHIP", AND YOU SAID THE ANGEL OF THE LORD RECEIVES WORSHIP. and worship means as a NOUN, the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity: and this is synonyms with "GLORY". Uh O, for God .... HIMSELF ... said, Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." One more for good measure, I
Isaiah 48:11 "For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another."
GIVE HIS GLORY TO "ANOTHER?", what did Google AI say? "In Genesis 22:15, it is the angel of the Lord who calls to Abraham from heaven. However, the angel speaks as God, using the first person ("...you have not withheld your son... from Me"), indicating the angel is acting as the direct representative or a manifestation of God himself.
and now we KNOW that the angel of the LORD is a representative for God and NOT GOD, and you have put an angel as God. ............... How Ignorant can one be. Listen to a ..... REAL angel, LISTEN CAREFULLY, Revelation 22:8 "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things." Revelation 22:9 "Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."
Worship WHO? ........ Worship WHO? ..... yes God ONLY, and not an angel.
keep on listening to Google AI...... see it gets its answers for human subjects, like from "Got questions.com", and "Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange" ................. (smile)... lol, lol, Oh my, my, my....
YIKES! Google AI is just repeating what man has come up with.... (smile)... lol, lol, lol, Oh my.again, how Ignorant can one be.
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atpollard
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You keep avoiding the actual question:U asked, "Are you as smart as Google AI"? ........... lol, yes,,,,, Smarter, lol, lol, lol. now you said, "Identification as God: The Bible often uses "the angel of the LORD" and "the LORD" (Yahweh) interchangeably. When encountering this figure, individuals often realize they have seen God, such as in Exodus 3, where the angel appears in the burning bush and calls himself "I AM".
LOL, LOL, LOL, #1. "I AM is a verb", and NOT a NOUN, Listen carefully,
H1961 ×Ö¸×Ö¸× hayah (haw-yaw) v.
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.
now as for Google AI, Listen to what AI said, concering Genesis 3.
"Based on Exodus 3, both are identified: the Angel of the Lord appeared in the flame (v. 2), but God called to Moses from within the bush (v. 4). Theological interpretations consider this a theophanyâa visible manifestation of Godâwhere the Angel is understood to be God Himself or the pre-incarnate Christ speaking. WHATH? .. BOTH, you just got your answer..... BOTH. this came from,
Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange
Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange
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Key Details of the Encounter:
The Appearance: The angel appeared to Moses in a flame of fire within a bush on Mount Horeb, which burned without being consumed. The Voice: Once Moses turned to look, God spoke from the midst of the bush, identifying Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
GOD spoke? ...... lol, lol, lol, see how Google AI mislead you.
now 101G asked Google AI concering Genesis 22:15.
"In Genesis 22:15, it is the angel of the Lord who calls to Abraham from heaven. However, the angel speaks as God, using the first person ("...you have not withheld your son... from Me"), indicating the angel is acting as the direct representative or a manifestation of God himself.
so the angel of the LORD is NOT GOD, but a "representative " for God, because a representative, when used as a noun is 1. a person chosen or appointed to act or speak for another or others. ... there is your BOTH... lol, Oh my.
a person "WHO SPEAK FOR ANOTHER?" ....... Google AI have just caught it=self and you in a LIE. BECAUSE you said, and 101G quote, "Unlike regular angels (such as Gabriel), who are created beings, the Angel of the Lord is portrayed as uniquely divine, often interpreted as the visible form of the invisible God.".... well, uniquely divine? meaning, "in a way that belongs or is connected to only one particular person or thing. here again, Google AI has just BUSTED your belief into pieces. notice what it said, "the angle of the Lord is Divine?". for divine means, "of, from, or like God or a god". AND YOU SAID, 101g QUOTE "The Angel of the Lord is a distinct, divine figure in the Old Testament who speaks as God, receives worship, and acts with divine authoritY"
NOW "WORSHIP", AND YOU SAID THE ANGEL OF THE LORD RECEIVES WORSHIP. and worship means as a NOUN, the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity: and this is synonyms with "GLORY". Uh O, for God .... HIMSELF ... said, Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." One more for good measure, I
Isaiah 48:11 "For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another."
GIVE HIS GLORY TO "ANOTHER?", what did Google AI say? "In Genesis 22:15, it is the angel of the Lord who calls to Abraham from heaven. However, the angel speaks as God, using the first person ("...you have not withheld your son... from Me"), indicating the angel is acting as the direct representative or a manifestation of God himself.
and now we KNOW that the angel of the LORD is a representative for God and NOT GOD, and you have put an angel as God. ............... How Ignorant can one be. Listen to a ..... REAL angel, LISTEN CAREFULLY, Revelation 22:8 "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things." Revelation 22:9 "Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."
Worship WHO? ........ Worship WHO? ..... yes God ONLY, and not an angel.
keep on listening to Google AI...... see it gets its answers for human subjects, like from "Got questions.com", and "Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange" ................. (smile)... lol, lol, Oh my, my, my....
again, how Ignorant can one be.
101G.
Luke 3:21-22 [NASB] Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came from heaven: "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well pleased."
If JESUS is âMy beloved sonâ, then who is the âparentâ speaking from heaven?
101G
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GINOLJC, to all
"You keep avoiding the actual question":..... are you serious? how ignorant can one be. again you said, "If JESUS is âMy beloved sonâ, then who is the âparentâ speaking from heaven?" MY GOD you really don't understand, do you. the term "son" here is not biological. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY...... The Lord Jesus HAVE NEITHER Mother nor Father. Now before you respond..... read what 101G said carefully. one more time. "The Lord Jesus have no Mother, and Father". ..... biologically, ........(smile),
YIKES, ....... 101G can't wait to hear your IGNORANT RESPONSE.101G.
P.S. 101G highly incourage you to ... a. find out how the term "son" is applied to the Lord Jesus. and b. what do the term "son" mean spiritually.
