Jesus is not returning

[TibiasDad]

LOL, you still don't understand the concept.... Oh my, my, my.... the best advice 101G can give to you, ...... study and learn ... ok, no put down, ...

101G.

I have learned, through conversations with you, that this is the best response I will ever get from you. What’s the old adage: You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

Only a “parent figure” can say ‘this is my son’. Nobody but may wife and I can say “this is my son” in reference to our only child.

So which “parent” was speaking to Jesus at his baptism?


Doug

 

[atpollard]

I have learned, through conversations with you, that this is the best response I will ever get from you. What’s the old adage: You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

Only a “parent figure” can say ‘this is my son’. Nobody but may wife and I can say “this is my son” in reference to our only child.

So which “parent” was speaking to Jesus at his baptism?


Doug

It is not an issue of "cannot understand" or "does not understand" ... he simply "REFUSES to understand" (a willful choice).
Romans 1 spoke of it, but it is hard to believe it exists until you actually SEE it in action.

But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. ... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols ... So God abandoned them ... Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking ... They refuse to understand, ... They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. - Romans 1:18-19, 21-24, 28, 31-32 [NLT] (abridged)

So what makes us think we can escape if we ignore this great salvation that was first announced by the Lord Jesus himself and then delivered to us by those who heard him speak? - Hebrews 2:3 [NLT]

 

[TibiasDad]

It is not an issue of "cannot understand" or "does not understand" ... he simply "REFUSES to understand" (a willful choice).
Romans 1 spoke of it, but it is hard to believe it exists until you actually SEE it in action.

But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. ... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols ... So God abandoned them ... Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking ... They refuse to understand, ... They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. - Romans 1:18-19, 21-24, 28, 31-32 [NLT] (abridged)

So what makes us think we can escape if we ignore this great salvation that was first announced by the Lord Jesus himself and then delivered to us by those who heard him speak? - Hebrews 2:3 [NLT]

Amen!


Doug

 

[Capbook]

To all,
addressing the topic, "Jesus is not returning", he have already returned .... on Pentecost. now his second coming is yet to happen.

KNOW the difference between a "Coming" vs a "Return".

101G.

Is Jesus second coming not a return?

 

[civic]

To all,
addressing the topic, "Jesus is not returning", he have already returned .... on Pentecost. now his second coming is yet to happen.

KNOW the difference between a "Coming" vs a "Return".

101G.

no Jesus said He would send another HELPER- the Comforter- the Holy Spirit who woulf guide them into all truth and that He( the Holy Spirit ) would remind them of everything He has said and taught them- not Himself but the Holy Spirit.

And Jesus told them all the signs in Matthew 24 that must take place before He returns- those did not happen before Pentecost.

next fallacy...........

onneness heresy exposed once again by Jesus Himself.

hope this helps !!!

 

[DavidTree]

no Jesus said He would send another HELPER- the Comforter- the Holy Spirit who woulf guide them into all truth and that He( the Holy Spirit ) would remind them of everything He has said and taught them- not Himself but the Holy Spirit.

And Jesus told them all the signs in Matthew 24 that must take place before He returns- those did not happen before Pentecost.

next fallacy...........

onneness heresy exposed once again by Jesus Himself.

hope this helps !!!

THREE

 

[JesusFan]

no Jesus said He would send another HELPER- the Comforter- the Holy Spirit who woulf guide them into all truth and that He( the Holy Spirit ) would remind them of everything He has said and taught them- not Himself but the Holy Spirit.

And Jesus told them all the signs in Matthew 24 that must take place before He returns- those did not happen before Pentecost.

next fallacy...........

onneness heresy exposed once again by Jesus Himself.

hope this helps !!!

The oneness heretic has a big problem on this, as the Second Coming would trigger a massive bodily physical resurrection event, but that has yet to happen in history

 

[civic]

The oneness heretic has a big problem on this, as the Second Coming would trigger a massive bodily physical resurrection event, but that has yet to happen in history

Exactly and we know there is no record of any such event in history after Jesus Ascended into heaven.

 

[101G]

no Jesus said He would send another HELPER- the Comforter- the Holy Spirit who woulf guide them into all truth and that He( the Holy Spirit ) would remind them of everything He has said and taught them- not Himself but the Holy Spirit.

And Jesus told them all the signs in Matthew 24 that must take place before He returns- those did not happen before Pentecost.

next fallacy...........

onneness heresy exposed once again by Jesus Himself.

hope this helps

GINOLJC, to all.
First..... ERROR, second, 101G see that you do not KNOW that the Lord Jesus is the HOLY SPIRIT. for he, the Lord Jesus, returned in Spirit .... he did not apper on Pentecost, but manifested himself in the Spiritual Gifts.
who do you think is our advocate/Mediator? let's see, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
advocate: G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

is this not the same term used in John 14:16 for "COMFORTER?". my source for the definition is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

Now as #2. an intercessor Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Romans 8:27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."
and one more, Hebrews 7:24 "But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood." Hebrews 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."

yes, that same G3875 παράκλητος parakletos .... Comforter in John 14:16.


NOW, as for his RETURN at Pentecost, Listen and LEARN, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
this is audience relevance. ..... so we ask, is there some men still alive that is 2 thousand years old.... since you say that the Lord Jesus has not yet .... "RETURN"

one more, Luke 9:26 "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels." Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."


the Son of man is Spirit, who came from Heaven. ..... Son of God is flesh bone and blood that came out of Mary. Note: it is the son of man returned, and not the son of God.... (smile). hope that helped.

101G.

 

[civic]

GINOLJC, to all.
First..... ERROR, second, 101G see that you do not KNOW that the Lord Jesus is the HOLY SPIRIT. for he, the Lord Jesus, returned in Spirit .... he did not apper on Pentecost, but manifested himself in the Spiritual Gifts.
who do you think is our advocate/Mediator? let's see, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
advocate: G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

is this not the same term used in John 14:16 for "COMFORTER?". my source for the definition is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

Now as #2. an intercessor Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Romans 8:27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."
and one more, Hebrews 7:24 "But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood." Hebrews 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."

yes, that same G3875 παράκλητος parakletos .... Comforter in John 14:16.


NOW, as for his RETURN at Pentecost, Listen and LEARN, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
this is audience relevance. ..... so we ask, is there some men still alive that is 2 thousand years old.... since you say that the Lord Jesus has not yet .... "RETURN"

one more, Luke 9:26 "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels." Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."


the Son of man is Spirit, who came from Heaven. ..... Son of God is flesh bone and blood that came out of Mary. Note: it is the son of man returned, and not the son of God.... (smile). hope that helped.

101G.

Eisegesis

 

[101G]

Eisegesis

Exegesis .... (smile). ....

101G.

 

[Capbook]

GINOLJC, to all.
First..... ERROR, second, 101G see that you do not KNOW that the Lord Jesus is the HOLY SPIRIT. for he, the Lord Jesus, returned in Spirit .... he did not apper on Pentecost, but manifested himself in the Spiritual Gifts.
who do you think is our advocate/Mediator? let's see, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
advocate: G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

is this not the same term used in John 14:16 for "COMFORTER?". my source for the definition is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

Now as #2. an intercessor Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Romans 8:27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."
and one more, Hebrews 7:24 "But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood." Hebrews 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."

yes, that same G3875 παράκλητος parakletos .... Comforter in John 14:16.


NOW, as for his RETURN at Pentecost, Listen and LEARN, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
this is audience relevance. ..... so we ask, is there some men still alive that is 2 thousand years old.... since you say that the Lord Jesus has not yet .... "RETURN"

one more, Luke 9:26 "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels." Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."


the Son of man is Spirit, who came from Heaven. ..... Son of God is flesh bone and blood that came out of Mary. Note: it is the son of man returned, and not the son of God.... (smile). hope that helped.

101G.

If Jesus is the Holy Spirit, can you explain why the Holy Spirit will not forgive those who "blaspheme" Him?
While Jesus will forgive, do that mean they have different will?
Or the two are separate and distinct person to the other?

The word "blaspheme" with Strong#G987, in Greek "βλασφημέω blasphēmeō" Bible lexicon defined it as means - to speak of God or divine things in terms of impious irreverence, etc.

Thus, by the Bible lexicon definition, it also proves that the Holy Spirit is God as "blaspheme" is to speak impious irreverence against God. And that "blaspheme" against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

(NAS95+) Luke 12:10 "R1And everyoneG3956 whoG3739 N1speaksG3004 a wordG3056 againstG1519 the SonG5207 of ManG444, it will be forgivenG863 him; but he who blasphemesG987 againstG1519 the HolyG40 SpiritG4151, it will not be forgivenG863 him.

G987 (Mounce)
βλασφημέω blasphēmeō
34x: to defame, revile, slander, Mat_27:39; to speak of God or divine things in terms of impious irreverence, to blaspheme, Mat_9:3; Mat_26:65.

 

[JesusFan]

GINOLJC, to all.
First..... ERROR, second, 101G see that you do not KNOW that the Lord Jesus is the HOLY SPIRIT. for he, the Lord Jesus, returned in Spirit .... he did not apper on Pentecost, but manifested himself in the Spiritual Gifts.
who do you think is our advocate/Mediator? let's see, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
advocate: G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

is this not the same term used in John 14:16 for "COMFORTER?". my source for the definition is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

Now as #2. an intercessor Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Romans 8:27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."
and one more, Hebrews 7:24 "But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood." Hebrews 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."

yes, that same G3875 παράκλητος parakletos .... Comforter in John 14:16.


NOW, as for his RETURN at Pentecost, Listen and LEARN, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
this is audience relevance. ..... so we ask, is there some men still alive that is 2 thousand years old.... since you say that the Lord Jesus has not yet .... "RETURN"

one more, Luke 9:26 "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels." Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."


the Son of man is Spirit, who came from Heaven. ..... Son of God is flesh bone and blood that came out of Mary. Note: it is the son of man returned, and not the son of God.... (smile). hope that helped.

101G.

The Apostle John saw Jesus as Jesus in heaven, along with God the father

 

[101G]

If Jesus is the Holy Spirit, can you explain why the Holy Spirit will not forgive those who "blaspheme" Him?
While Jesus will forgive, do that mean they have different will?
Or the two are separate and distinct person to the other?

The word "blaspheme" with Strong#G987, in Greek "βλασφημέω blasphēmeō" Bible lexicon defined it as means - to speak of God or divine things in terms of impious irreverence, etc.

Thus, by the Bible lexicon definition, it also proves that the Holy Spirit is God as "blaspheme" is to speak impious irreverence against God. And that "blaspheme" against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

(NAS95+) Luke 12:10 "R1And everyoneG3956 whoG3739 N1speaksG3004 a wordG3056 againstG1519 the SonG5207 of ManG444, it will be forgivenG863 him; but he who blasphemesG987 againstG1519 the HolyG40 SpiritG4151, it will not be forgivenG863 him.

G987 (Mounce)
βλασφημέω blasphēmeō
34x: to defame, revile, slander, Mat_27:39; to speak of God or divine things in terms of impious irreverence, to blaspheme, Mat_9:3; Mat_26:65.

GINOLJC, to all,
Sure, one word can answer that. "BLOOD". Hebrews 9:22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

NOW GO AND LEARN WHY GOD (the Lord Jesus) IS THE "FIRST", AND THE "LAST". ...... (smile)...

101G.

 

[101G]

The Apostle John saw Jesus as Jesus in heaven, along with God the father

please READ, Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"

Now, are you saying that there are two Gods in Heaven? .... you said, "Jesus in heaven, along with God the father".
QUESTION: "is this not the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne, Revelation 4:11 & 5:1, as well as stand before it as the Lamb, Revelation 5:6. is this correct?

101G.

 

[101G]

To all who are still in DARKNESS.
The OP, "Jesus is not returning". to answer this question TRUTHFULLY and Spiritually correct. one need to KNOW and UNDERSTAND, a. Diversity in Ordinal designation, and b. what is the different between a "COMING" and a "RETURN". when one understands these two BASIC concepts ..... FROM THE BIBLE,. ......then we can discuss...... else, stay in Darkness.

101G.

 

[Capbook]

GINOLJC, to all,
Sure, one word can answer that. "BLOOD". Hebrews 9:22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

NOW GO AND LEARN WHY GOD (the Lord Jesus) IS THE "FIRST", AND THE "LAST". ...... (smile)...

101G.

May we know what Bible verse that "blaspheme" against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven by your one word?

Luk 12:10 "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him.

 

[101G]

May we know what Bible verse that "blaspheme" against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven by your one word?

Luk 12:10 "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him.

sure, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

NOW,........ did that child that was brought forth had "BLOOD" YES or NO? ...... (smile) .... YIKES.

101G.

 

[civic]

If Jesus is the Holy Spirit, can you explain why the Holy Spirit will not forgive those who "blaspheme" Him?
While Jesus will forgive, do that mean they have different will?
Or the two are separate and distinct person to the other?

The word "blaspheme" with Strong#G987, in Greek "βλασφημέω blasphēmeō" Bible lexicon defined it as means - to speak of God or divine things in terms of impious irreverence, etc.

Thus, by the Bible lexicon definition, it also proves that the Holy Spirit is God as "blaspheme" is to speak impious irreverence against God. And that "blaspheme" against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

(NAS95+) Luke 12:10 "R1And everyoneG3956 whoG3739 N1speaksG3004 a wordG3056 againstG1519 the SonG5207 of ManG444, it will be forgivenG863 him; but he who blasphemesG987 againstG1519 the HolyG40 SpiritG4151, it will not be forgivenG863 him.

G987 (Mounce)
βλασφημέω blasphēmeō
34x: to defame, revile, slander, Mat_27:39; to speak of God or divine things in terms of impious irreverence, to blaspheme, Mat_9:3; Mat_26:65.

a big oops and nice job exposing the oneness beliefs.

 

[JesusFan]

please READ, Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"

Now, are you saying that there are two Gods in Heaven? .... you said, "Jesus in heaven, along with God the father".
QUESTION: "is this not the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne, Revelation 4:11 & 5:1, as well as stand before it as the Lamb, Revelation 5:6. is this correct?

101G.

One God but both the father and Son were seen in heaven and being worshipped