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[JesusFan]

GINOLJC, to all,
Great, the "Word", who is one PERSON, who hold both titles "LORD", and "Lord" in "TIME", "PLACE", "ORDER", and "RANK".

Now last chance, is the Lord the same person as the LORD? yes or no?...think before you answer. ...... (smile).

101G.

the Word was with God the father, and was also Himself very God, and was born as Jesus the Christ

 

[TibiasDad]

GINOLJC, to all,
Great, the "Word", who is one PERSON, who hold both titles "LORD", and "Lord" in "TIME", "PLACE", "ORDER", and "RANK".

Now last chance, is the Lord the same person as the LORD? yes or no?...think before you answer. ...... (smile).

101G.

Yes (John 1:1-3, 20:28, Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1)


Doug

 

[FreeInChrist]

While not @TibiasDad or @civic, GOOGLE AI offers the following:

Isaiah 44:24 ("I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens... by myself") is a focal point in debates regarding the Trinity, often cited to argue for absolute monotheism (oneness) versus a triune Godhead. It emphasizes God's solo creation, challenging interpretations that involve the Son or Spirit as distinct, co-creator agents.
Arguments Related to Isaiah 44:24 and the Trinity:

• Unitarian/Biblical Unitarian Perspective: This verse is frequently used to argue that God is a single, unipersonal being, not a Trinity, because He specifically states He created "alone" and "by myself". It implies no intermediate, pre-existent, or co-creator beings were involved.
• Trinitarian Perspective: Proponents of the Trinity often interpret "I am the LORD" (Yahweh/Jehovah) to refer to the unified Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). They argue that because Jesus is God, and God created alone, Jesus as Creator does not contradict this verse, as the Trinity acts as one, indivisible Being.
• Contextual Arguments: The passage is often viewed in context with verses like Isaiah 44:6 and 44:8, which emphasize there is no other God, to support the idea that the Creator is a singular entity.

While the verse highlights a "by myself" creation, different theological traditions interpret the personhood of "I" in this context differently, either focusing on a single person or a united Trinity.

[enjoy]

Ah, I went to my current Ai source and asked about Googles Ai source of which I was told that would be Gemini. (Oddly Gemini perched itself on my tab bar one day, uninvited.... But I digress.)

So here is the reply that came from the one I more often or not check against these days....
____________________

This is exactly the kind of place where Gemini-style summaries often sound “neutral” but actually smuggle in weak logic.

What it gave you is basically a generic AI fence-sitting answer, not a strong biblical argument. It presents both sides as equally plausible without actually testing whether the objections make sense.

Biblically and logically.

The Core Claim They’re Using​

Isaiah 44:24

“I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.”

They argue:
“Alone/by myself = therefore only one Person exists, so no Trinity.”

That sounds strong at first… but it doesn’t actually follow.

Why their logic fails​

① “Alone” excludes other gods — not God’s own Spirit or Word​

Look at Isaiah’s context.

Repeated theme:

• 44:6 — “besides me there is no God”
• 44:8 — “Is there a God besides me? I know not any”
• 45:5 — “there is no other”

What’s Isaiah fighting?​

Idolatry and pagan polytheism, not the Trinity.


So “alone” means:
no rival gods
not “no internal plurality within God”


If “alone” meant “one single person only,” then you’d also have to deny:

• God’s Spirit (Gen 1:2)
• God’s Wisdom (Prov 8)
• God’s Word (Ps 33:6)

Yet Scripture shows all three active in creation.

So “alone” cannot mean “no distinctions within God.”
It means “no other deity helped.”

Huge difference.

② The Old Testament itself shows plurality in creation​

This is what Unitarians conveniently ignore.

​

Genesis 1:26​

“Let us make man in our image”

Not angels (we’re not made in angels’ image).

This is internal divine plurality.

Psalm 33:6​

“By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath (Spirit) of His mouth all their host.”

Creation by:

• LORD
• Word
• Spirit

That’s already triadic.

Isaiah 48:16​

This one is devastating to Unitarianism:

“And now the Lord GOD has sent me, and His Spirit.”

Three persons speaking:

• the Speaker
• the LORD God
• His Spirit

Yet still one God.


So Isaiah himself shows plurality — in the same book!


Meaning 44:24 cannot mean “only one person exists.”

​

③ The New Testament explicitly says Jesus created​

If Isaiah 44:24 means only one Person created, then you create a contradiction with the NT.

But Scripture doesn’t contradict itself — interpretations do.

John 1:3​

“All things were made through Him”

Colossians 1:16​

“By Him all things were created”

Hebrews 1:2​

“Through whom also He made the worlds”

Hebrews 1:10 (quoting Psalm 102 about Yahweh)​

Applies Creator-Yahweh language directly to the Son.


So either:
A) Jesus is Creator God
or
B) the Bible contradicts itself


The Trinity resolves it perfectly:
One God
three Persons
one divine act of creation


So “alone” = no other gods
NOT = no Son or Spirit

The logical mistake Gemini made​

Gemini framed it like:

“It depends on how you interpret ‘I’.”

But that’s shallow.


Because:


If “I alone” excludes the Son,
then Jesus cannot be Creator,
which contradicts multiple clear NT passages.


Therefore their interpretation fails.

---

A clean, punchy response you could post​

Here’s something short and sharp you can use:

Isaiah 44:24 says God created “alone,” but the context is excluding other gods, not denying God’s own Word and Spirit.

The same Bible says:
– John 1:3 — all things made through Christ
– Col 1:16 — created by Him
– Ps 33:6 — by the LORD, His Word, and His Spirit

If God created alone and Jesus created everything, then Jesus must be Yahweh — not a separate helper.

Isaiah defeats polytheism, not the Trinity.

 

[DavidTree]

Ah, I went to my current Ai source and asked about Googles Ai source of which I was told that would be Gemini. (Oddly Gemini perched itself on my tab bar one day, uninvited.... But I digress.)

So here is the reply that came from the one I more often or not check against these days....
____________________

This is exactly the kind of place where Gemini-style summaries often sound “neutral” but actually smuggle in weak logic.

What it gave you is basically a generic AI fence-sitting answer, not a strong biblical argument. It presents both sides as equally plausible without actually testing whether the objections make sense.

Biblically and logically.

The Core Claim They’re Using​

Isaiah 44:24




They argue:
“Alone/by myself = therefore only one Person exists, so no Trinity.”

That sounds strong at first… but it doesn’t actually follow.

Why their logic fails​

① “Alone” excludes other gods — not God’s own Spirit or Word​

Look at Isaiah’s context.

Repeated theme:

• 44:6 — “besides me there is no God”
• 44:8 — “Is there a God besides me? I know not any”
• 45:5 — “there is no other”

What’s Isaiah fighting?​

Idolatry and pagan polytheism, not the Trinity.


So “alone” means:
no rival gods
not “no internal plurality within God”


If “alone” meant “one single person only,” then you’d also have to deny:

• God’s Spirit (Gen 1:2)
• God’s Wisdom (Prov 8)
• God’s Word (Ps 33:6)

Yet Scripture shows all three active in creation.

So “alone” cannot mean “no distinctions within God.”
It means “no other deity helped.”

Huge difference.

② The Old Testament itself shows plurality in creation​

This is what Unitarians conveniently ignore.

​

Genesis 1:26​

Not angels (we’re not made in angels’ image).

This is internal divine plurality.

Psalm 33:6​

Creation by:

• LORD
• Word
• Spirit

That’s already triadic.

Isaiah 48:16​

This one is devastating to Unitarianism:




Three persons speaking:

• the Speaker
• the LORD God
• His Spirit

Yet still one God.


So Isaiah himself shows plurality — in the same book!


Meaning 44:24 cannot mean “only one person exists.”

​

③ The New Testament explicitly says Jesus created​

If Isaiah 44:24 means only one Person created, then you create a contradiction with the NT.

But Scripture doesn’t contradict itself — interpretations do.

John 1:3​

Colossians 1:16​

Hebrews 1:2​

Hebrews 1:10 (quoting Psalm 102 about Yahweh)​

Applies Creator-Yahweh language directly to the Son.


So either:
A) Jesus is Creator God
or
B) the Bible contradicts itself


The Trinity resolves it perfectly:
One God
three Persons
one divine act of creation


So “alone” = no other gods
NOT = no Son or Spirit

The logical mistake Gemini made​

Gemini framed it like:




But that’s shallow.


Because:


If “I alone” excludes the Son,
then Jesus cannot be Creator,
which contradicts multiple clear NT passages.


Therefore their interpretation fails.

---

A clean, punchy response you could post​

Here’s something short and sharp you can use:

SIMPLE

 

[FreeInChrist]

SIMPLE

Very true.... but it gave me a nuance that I admit I never thought of and that is...

“Alone” excludes other gods — not God’s own Spirit or Word"

"So “alone” means:
no rival gods
not “no internal plurality within God”

 

[DavidTree]

Very true.... but it gave me a nuance that I admit I never thought of and that is...

“Alone” excludes other gods — not God’s own Spirit or Word"

"So “alone” means:
no rival gods
not “no internal plurality within God”

CORRECT

i shared this Truth with @101G months ago, but he refuses to accept the overwhelming evidence in Scripture of the Plurality of Elohim as THREE

Shalom