Jesus is not returning
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civic
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Yep
101G
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John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." AND? ... LOL.Yep
still, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
NEXT,
101G.
101G
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@TibiasDad, and @civic
question to both of you.
did not Isaiah 44:24 say that the LORD/God was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF" when he made all things? well if he was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF" and the Word in John 1:3 "Who made all things", is this not the same one PERSON? yes,
because the term "ALONE", means, "having no one else present". if no one else was present then the Word in John 1:3 is the same exact "ONE" person in Isaiah 44:24.
101G.
question to both of you.
did not Isaiah 44:24 say that the LORD/God was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF" when he made all things? well if he was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF" and the Word in John 1:3 "Who made all things", is this not the same one PERSON? yes,
because the term "ALONE", means, "having no one else present". if no one else was present then the Word in John 1:3 is the same exact "ONE" person in Isaiah 44:24.
101G.
TibiasDad
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Isa 45:6….I am the Lord, and there is no other.
7I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.
8“You heavens above, rain down my righteousness;
let the clouds shower it down.
Let the earth open wide,
let salvation spring up,
let righteousness flourish with it;
I, the Lord, have created it…12It is I who made the earth
and created mankind on it.
My own hands stretched out the heavens;
I marshaled their starry hosts.
John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through ( dia- by means of) him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it….
The Word is the Lord of Isa 45!
Doug
101G
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atpollard
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While not @TibiasDad or @civic, GOOGLE AI offers the following:
Isaiah 44:24 ("I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens... by myself") is a focal point in debates regarding the Trinity, often cited to argue for absolute monotheism (oneness) versus a triune Godhead. It emphasizes God's solo creation, challenging interpretations that involve the Son or Spirit as distinct, co-creator agents.
Arguments Related to Isaiah 44:24 and the Trinity:
- Unitarian/Biblical Unitarian Perspective: This verse is frequently used to argue that God is a single, unipersonal being, not a Trinity, because He specifically states He created "alone" and "by myself". It implies no intermediate, pre-existent, or co-creator beings were involved.
- Trinitarian Perspective: Proponents of the Trinity often interpret "I am the LORD" (Yahweh/Jehovah) to refer to the unified Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). They argue that because Jesus is God, and God created alone, Jesus as Creator does not contradict this verse, as the Trinity acts as one, indivisible Being.
- Contextual Arguments: The passage is often viewed in context with verses like Isaiah 44:6 and 44:8, which emphasize there is no other God, to support the idea that the Creator is a singular entity.
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TibiasDad
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It is God who created, and the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit are God in nature of being. Again, God is a type of being like human is a type of being. Anyone who has all the characteristics of God is God.
Doug
DavidTree
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The Holy Spirit Speaks THREE Ways:
1.) Thru the Word
2.) Sanctified Spirit Filled Saints
3.) within the heart of man = which Begins with #1
It is a Continuous Circle of Work of the SPIRIT
You posted all THREE
Amen
DavidTree
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Simple
NT is not in Hebrew
Therefore, the correct word 'Elohim' is not used to ascribe to the FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIRIT
Now Why is That???
i Know where it's At
Make Sure you don't strain at a Gnat
Prophecy Prophecy
Meant for us to See
Spirit Says, it is all about HE
Jesus Says, my Father is HE
Believe on ME and My FATHER will Send HE
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
Thanks, but the bible is clear, even on the NO GOD, because, Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
I and me are single designation which end any argument.
101G.
101G
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ERROR, God is not a three PERSON being. scripture. Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" here in the VERSE, the "Lord" laid the foundation of the earth, correct. Now this, Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."
so who Laid the foundation of the Earth, two persons, or ONE PERSON? your answer.
and if ONE PERSON, is the Lord the same person as the LORD? yes or no?...think before you answer.
101G.
101G
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ERROR, ERROR, ERROR, here is your strain LISTEN, and LEARN, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
if you KNOW anything about prophecy .... there is your answer..... (smile).
101G
civic
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Amen
Bob Carabbio
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Chuckle!!! They're 1914 years too late about that.
They have a surprise coming, and they won't enjoy it.
TibiasDad
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101G
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GINOLJC, to all,
Great, the "Word", who is one PERSON, who hold both titles "LORD", and "Lord" in "TIME", "PLACE", "ORDER", and "RANK".
Now last chance, is the Lord the same person as the LORD? yes or no?...think before you answer. ...... (smile).
101G.
101G
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@atpollard and @TibiasDad. and @DavidTree
The God plurality answer is spelled out in Genesis 1:1....... in the term "beginning". Listen and Learn,
Beginning: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
Notice definition #1. "First", in place, time, order or rank
that word "First" here is in "order", as in First and "LAST". as clearly stated in Revelation. now to understand this ORDER
let the bible tell us, Listen and Learn. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" NOTICE the term "one" which is the Hebrew word, H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
definition #2. give us the answer to God's plurality of "ONE PERSON", in "ORDER". he is the ORDINAL DESIGNATION of himself to come in flesh, (per John 1:14, the LAST). in TIME, PLACE, and RANK. just as said, in Genesis 1:1, concerning himself as the "FIRST".
KNOWING this information, it answer the Genesis 1:26 "US", and "OUR", as it relates to the very next verse, Genesis 1:27, as "he", and "him" is answered in God's plurality of ONE PERSON.
when one know this understanding, every question on the GODHEAD is clearly answered and understood.
101G.
The God plurality answer is spelled out in Genesis 1:1....... in the term "beginning". Listen and Learn,
Beginning: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
Notice definition #1. "First", in place, time, order or rank
that word "First" here is in "order", as in First and "LAST". as clearly stated in Revelation. now to understand this ORDER
let the bible tell us, Listen and Learn. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" NOTICE the term "one" which is the Hebrew word, H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
definition #2. give us the answer to God's plurality of "ONE PERSON", in "ORDER". he is the ORDINAL DESIGNATION of himself to come in flesh, (per John 1:14, the LAST). in TIME, PLACE, and RANK. just as said, in Genesis 1:1, concerning himself as the "FIRST".
KNOWING this information, it answer the Genesis 1:26 "US", and "OUR", as it relates to the very next verse, Genesis 1:27, as "he", and "him" is answered in God's plurality of ONE PERSON.
when one know this understanding, every question on the GODHEAD is clearly answered and understood.
101G.
atpollard
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@101G
Matthew 3:16-17 [NASB]
After He was baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove [and] settling on Him, and behold, a voice from the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."
Jesus, Spirit of God, Father speaking ... One "person" or three?
So when "GOD" said:
Genesis 1:26 [NASB]
Then God ['ĕlōhîm - plural] said, "Let Us [ʿāśâ - plural] make mankind in Our [ṣelem - plural] image, according to Our [dᵊmûṯ - plural] likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth."
One "person" or three?
Matthew 3:16-17 [NASB]
After He was baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove [and] settling on Him, and behold, a voice from the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."
Jesus, Spirit of God, Father speaking ... One "person" or three?
So when "GOD" said:
Genesis 1:26 [NASB]
Then God ['ĕlōhîm - plural] said, "Let Us [ʿāśâ - plural] make mankind in Our [ṣelem - plural] image, according to Our [dᵊmûṯ - plural] likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth."
One "person" or three?
DavidTree
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OK, let's begin with the BEGINNING
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning ELOHIM
In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part
God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God
