Jesus is not returning

[atpollard]

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus Christ returned invisibly in 1914 and began ruling as King in heaven. They do not believe in a future, visible return of Christ in the way that many Christians do. Instead, they believe that the "presence" of Christ began in 1914, marked by significant world events and the start of what they call "the last days".

Invisible Return:
Jehovah's Witnesses interpret biblical prophecies about Christ's return to mean an invisible presence, not a physical, visible coming.

1914 Date:
They believe that Jesus became King of God's Kingdom in 1914, marking the beginning of the "last days".

Not a Literal Coming:
This return was not a literal, visible event, but rather a change in Christ's status and authority in the heavenly realm.

Ongoing Rule:
Jesus is currently reigning as King in heaven and is overseeing a global preaching work about his established kingdom.

No Future Visible Return:
They do not anticipate a future, visible return of Christ in the same way that many Christians do.

Separation of Sheep and Goats:
They believe that a future event will involve Jesus separating humanity into "sheep" and "goats" based on their response to his rule and preaching.

What are the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ beliefs about Jesus’ return in 1914?​

 

[atpollard]

This is the Jehovah's Witness section of the board and, as I have already stated elsewhere, I believe that it is inappropriate for me to attack their beliefs in "their house" [that is just bad manners]. However, it is not inappropriate to honestly discuss WHAT THEY BELIEVE and the consequences of those beliefs.

I have presented in the OP information about Jesus (not) return as believed by the JW. They have presented information on the non-deity of Jesus in their topic on the Creator. Given the JW view of who and what Jesus is ... they are NOT "Christians".

That is not an accusatory or deliberately inflammatory statement, but merely a statement of fact. They do fall within the Abrahamic family of religions, like Judaism and Islam, but they reject the deity of Christ (the defining characteristic of Christianity ... "little Christs"). Muslims hold Jesus in very high esteem ... a revered prophet, born of a virgin, assumed by God into heaven, and destined to return to the Earth ... but Muslims are not "Christians" because they do not believe that Jesus was God. So, the same veneration of Jesus while rejecting his deity excludes the JW faith from the umbrella of "Christian". The theological differences are not trivial, they are fundamental truths.

If the JW are correct, then Christians are "idolaters" and if Christians are correct then the JW are "idolaters". Only God passes eternal judgements, but one group or the other worships a false image of God. Jesus either IS God or Jesus is NOT God. That is a difference that matters.

It is wrong to pretend otherwise.

 

[DavidTree]

This is the Jehovah's Witness section of the board and, as I have already stated elsewhere, I believe that it is inappropriate for me to attack their beliefs in "their house" [that is just bad manners]. However, it is not inappropriate to honestly discuss WHAT THEY BELIEVE and the consequences of those beliefs.

I have presented in the OP information about Jesus (not) return as believed by the JW. They have presented information on the non-deity of Jesus in their topic on the Creator. Given the JW view of who and what Jesus is ... they are NOT "Christians".

That is not an accusatory or deliberately inflammatory statement, but merely a statement of fact. They do fall within the Abrahamic family of religions, like Judaism and Islam, but they reject the deity of Christ (the defining characteristic of Christianity ... "little Christs"). Muslims hold Jesus in very high esteem ... a revered prophet, born of a virgin, assumed by God into heaven, and destined to return to the Earth ... but Muslims are not "Christians" because they do not believe that Jesus was God. So, the same veneration of Jesus while rejecting his deity excludes the JW faith from the umbrella of "Christian". The theological differences are not trivial, they are fundamental truths.

If the JW are correct, then Christians are "idolaters" and if Christians are correct then the JW are "idolaters". Only God passes eternal judgements, but one group or the other worships a false image of God. Jesus either IS God or Jesus is NOT God. That is a difference that matters.

It is wrong to pretend otherwise.

JESUS continually goes into satan's house and kick's him out when a soul is SAVED

#1 - We have a BIRTH- RIGHT to preach/minister/instruct/WARN with the Gospel as we are inspired by the Holy Spirit

#2 - jw and all cults are fair game since they falsify the Words of God

#3 - One plants and another waters but God brings Forth the Increase of His Kingdom

 

[atpollard]

JESUS continually goes into satan's house and kick's him out when a soul is SAVED

#1 - We have a BIRTH- RIGHT to preach/minister/instruct/WARN with the Gospel as we are inspired by the Holy Spirit

#2 - jw and all cults are fair game since they falsify the Words of God

#3 - One plants and another waters but God brings Forth the Increase of His Kingdom

I agree with the need to defend TRUTH and confront error. I would only point out that during his earthly ministry, Jesus visited both the "Gates of Hell" at Caesarea Philippi and the Temple in Jerusalem. In only ONE of those places did Jesus choose to overturn the tables and violently correct error.

Why did Jesus not overturn the tables at the pagan Temples?
Certainly it was not because the worship at the Temple of Pan was "acceptable".

Ecclesiastes 3: [NKJV]
1 To everything there is a season,
A time for every purpose under heaven:

2 A time to be born,
And a time to die;
A time to plant,
And a time to pluck what is planted;

3 A time to kill,
And a time to heal;
A time to break down,
And a time to build up;

4 A time to weep,
And a time to laugh;
A time to mourn,
And a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones,
And a time to gather stones;
A time to embrace,
And a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to gain,
And a time to lose;
A time to keep,
And a time to throw away;

7 A time to tear,
And a time to sew;
A time to keep silence,
And a time to speak;

8 A time to love,
And a time to hate;
A time of war,
And a time of peace.

 

[DavidTree]

I agree with the need to defend TRUTH and confront error. I would only point out that during his earthly ministry, Jesus visited both the "Gates of Hell" at Caesarea Philippi and the Temple in Jerusalem. In only ONE of those places did Jesus choose to overturn the tables and violently correct error.

Why did Jesus not overturn the tables at the pagan Temples?
Certainly it was not because the worship at the Temple of Pan was "acceptable".

Ecclesiastes 3: [NKJV]
1 To everything there is a season,
A time for every purpose under heaven:

2 A time to be born,
And a time to die;
A time to plant,
And a time to pluck what is planted;

3 A time to kill,
And a time to heal;
A time to break down,
And a time to build up;

4 A time to weep,
And a time to laugh;
A time to mourn,
And a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones,
And a time to gather stones;
A time to embrace,
And a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to gain,
And a time to lose;
A time to keep,
And a time to throw away;

7 A time to tear,
And a time to sew;
A time to keep silence,
And a time to speak;

8 A time to love,
And a time to hate;
A time of war,
And a time of peace.

Much MORE my Brother

JESUS driven into the wilderness to CONFRONT the Devil and MORE

As we pause for this commercial break = time for a question on the lighter-side!!!

Question: since JESUS was driven into the wilderness, what vehicle did HE take?
a.) HUMMER
b.) TUNDRA
c.) MERCEDES AWD
d.) AMC Spirit

 

[atpollard]

d.) AMC Spirit

[Mar 1:12 NKJV] 12 Immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness.

... of course, they later traded it in for a HONDA [Acts 2:1].

 

[DavidTree]

[Mar 1:12 NKJV] 12 Immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness.

... of course, they later traded it in for a HONDA [Acts 2:1].

Two IMPORTANT Truths that are Biblical

The Jews and those who still believe that God's Righteousness is thru the law drive 'Oldsmobiles'

Just prior to HIS Ascension JESUS drove a 'Saturn SKY' over to meet the disciples = see Acts chapter 1

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.
The Lord Jesus Returned on Pentecost in Spirit, (the Holy Spirit), "IN MANIFESTATION". and his Parousia to come is his "APPERANCE". two coming, one return. supportive scripture, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." when did the Kingdom come? answer the day of Pentecost. second witness, Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God." THIS IS THE Lord JESUS RETURN. because his first ... "COMING" was in flesh as a babe. Luke 1:31 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS." and his ... SECOND COMING, in resurrected flesh, but without blood. Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." THIS IS HIS Parousia to come. supportive scripture, Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

on the day of Pentecost he was in Spirit, no eye saw him. and we was endued with POWER. but when he comes the second time, EVERY EYE will see him, hence his SECOND APPERANCE.

understand and know the difference between "a MANIFESTATION" and "an APPERANCE" .

101G.

 

[civic]

GINOLJC, to all.
The Lord Jesus Returned on Pentecost in Spirit, (the Holy Spirit), "IN MANIFESTATION". and his Parousia to come is his "APPERANCE". two coming, one return. supportive scripture, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." when did the Kingdom come? answer the day of Pentecost. second witness, Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God." THIS IS THE Lord JESUS RETURN. because his first ... "COMING" was in flesh as a babe. Luke 1:31 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS." and his ... SECOND COMING, in resurrected flesh, but without blood. Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." THIS IS HIS Parousia to come. supportive scripture, Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

on the day of Pentecost he was in Spirit, no eye saw him. and we was endued with POWER. but when he comes the second time, EVERY EYE will see him, hence his SECOND APPERANCE.

understand and know the difference between "a MANIFESTATION" and "an APPERANCE" .

101G.

eisegesis at its finest- this is a worse view than the preterist.

 

[101G]

eisegesis at its finest- this is a worse view than the preterist.

well then .... were there son standing, (not seen death) when he returned? yes, but according to you you're making the Lord Jesus out to be a LIER. that's your eisegesis ... IGNORANCE.

now let's discuss. Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." did some standing there with him, did not see death? because if not then there are some people who are over two thousand years old and counting, is that your eisegesis? (smile). LOL, Oh boy. looking to hear from you on that.

101G

 

[Administrator]

[Mar 1:12 NKJV] 12 Immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness.

... of course, they later traded it in for a HONDA [Acts 2:1].

They were all in "One Accord". Jesus drove a Honda but didn’t talk about it. “For I did not speak of my own accord”

 

[101G]

“For I did not speak of my own accord”

correct, for as the arm of God/the power of God he is under orders, as in the meaning, an "ARM of FLESH". see 2 Chronicles 32:8 "With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah."

101G.

 

[DavidTree]

They were all in "One Accord". Jesus drove a Honda but didn’t talk about it. “For I did not speak of my own accord”

and the jews who refused the Gospel continue to drive a 'Oldsmobile'

 

[101G]

and the jews who refused the Gospel continue to drive a 'Oldsmobile'

Oh boy....... (smile), lol, lol, lol,

Lord help us all...... (smile) .....

101G.

 

[civic]

well then .... were there son standing, (not seen death) when he returned? yes, but according to you you're making the Lord Jesus out to be a LIER. that's your eisegesis ... IGNORANCE.

now let's discuss. Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." did some standing there with him, did not see death? because if not then there are some people who are over two thousand years old and counting, is that your eisegesis? (smile). LOL, Oh boy. looking to hear from you on that.

101G

That happened at the transfiguration with Peter, James and John. Read the next chapter.

Next fallacy

 

[101G]

That happened at the transfiguration with Peter, James and John. Read the next chapter.

Next fallacy

ERROR the subject is the KINGDOM COMING, which is NOT the transfiguration. NOW civic, tell us when did the KINGDOM of GOD come? answer Pentecost. now listen, Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." THAT is his Parousia. NEXT VERSE, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
AGAIN, 101G ask when did the KINGDOM COME? since you don't KNOW 101G will tell you, LISTEN, Luke 17:20 "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:" Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Who is within us civic? the Holy Spirit. let's see, Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

now, once more, Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.". one more, Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."
civic, you're not IGNORANT, now either there are some very very old people walking around ... TODAY, or the Lord Jesus as he said, "I tell you the truth", that some standing there listening to him will not taste death until the KINGDOM of God comes.

now, 101G believe the Lord Jesus, so your assessment is in ERROR.

now for the Last time did the Lord Jesus returned in his Kingdom with POWER? .... on the day of Pentecost? YES or NO.

this will tell if you're a false belief or not. because the Lord Jesus do not lie. .... NOW YOUR ANSWER PLEASE.

did the the Lord Jesus ... "RETURN", not a second coming, but a "RETURN" in MANIFESTATION of the Spirit? yes or no.

101G.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.
be it known, that the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit, the ONE TRUE and ONLY GOD in diversity, or in the ECHAD of ...... HIMSELF, meaning in diversity/or the plurality of himself in a pre-resurrected body of natural flesh with blood on earth.
now resurrected, this "THIS EQUAL SHARE" of himself in in a body of spiritual state of flesh, bone but without blood, has all power. who returned in spirit on the day of Pentecost, and now, empowered all who come to him in repentance. in Spirit, he Jesus, MANISFEST himself in the spiritual gifts as he wills. supportive scriptures,

1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences/diversities of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all." 1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal." 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;" 1 Corinthians 12:9 "To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;" 1 Corinthians 12:10 "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:" 1 Corinthians 12:11 "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

DIVERSITY is the key.

amen, 101G.