James?

[praise_yeshua]

I consider the arguments about absence of topics to be superfluous. The letters in the New Testament were written to specific situations and did not need to include the kitchen sink.

Okay. Make your own judgement. I judge letters by words they contain. Not some "name" someone used in the letter. Those at Berea did the same things with the words of the apostles.

As I said previously, there are good and bad things in the letter. I've said I would include it in my canon. What I'm ultimately saying it is see it for what it is. It is evidence. Evidence is good even if some of what James said is wrong.

The facts of the situation are clear. The church of Jerusalem was more concerned about themselves than those around them.

Sound familiar? It happens over and over again.

The "church today" is largely no different than the Jews of the first century that rejected Jesus Christ. "He came to his own and his own received him not".

Do you believe that we are living in the "end times"? I have long been amazed how people say that they believe we are living in the "end times" and yet those same people actually believe they're not affected by it themselves?

I see all this talk of "good works" and I'm like....

IN THE END TIMES? Yeah. Right.

 

[mikesw]

Okay. Make your own judgement. I judge letters by words they contain. Not some "name" someone used in the letter. Those at Berea did the same things with the words of the apostles.

As I said previously, there are good and bad things in the letter. I've said I would include it in my canon. What I'm ultimately saying it is see it for what it is. It is evidence. Evidence is good even if some of what James said is wrong.

The facts of the situation are clear. The church of Jerusalem was more concerned about themselves than those around them.

Sound familiar? It happens over and over again.

The "church today" is largely no different than the Jews of the first century that rejected Jesus Christ. "He came to his own and his own received him not".

Do you believe that we are living in the "end times"? I have long been amazed how people say that they believe we are living in the "end times" and yet those same people actually believe they're not affected by it themselves?

I see all this talk of "good works" and I'm like....

IN THE END TIMES? Yeah. Right.

That's silly talk now. Anyone who has Christ is a new creature. That has remained true for nearly 2000 years. Your ideas are also unfounded on finding division where none is as concerning James. It would have been pointed out, not like some say of the idea that Luke avoided the "bad" stuff. That is pure speculation or, like noted earlier, a misreading of Paul.
I might agree in part that many church organizations have formed around invalid concepts of Christ, but that has happened forever. I would agree it is harder to find churches that have a solid understanding of the deity of Christ in America. But I don't make a wholesale statement about Christians' status.

 

[praise_yeshua]

That's silly talk now.

Please detail what port is "silly". I can't tell from your response.

Anyone who has Christ is a new creature. That has remained true for nearly 2000 years.

Never said differently. I agree.

Your ideas are also unfounded on finding division where none is as concerning James.

Many have found problems with "James". I have detailed some of my own issues while including some that come from others. If James wasn't in the Bible at all, it wouldn't matter. If James was gone, what would it impact. Again. I want it included to witness the facts of the failures of the early church at Jerusalem. If you insist that "James" is the leader of the Church at Jerusalem than own it. I don't believe James is written by that "James". I said I was academically dealing with that assumption. However, I do believe that the writer of "James" held similar beliefs relative to the judizers in the Church that sought to show Jews are superior to Gentiles. That belief shows itself everywhere in the doctrines of men. It finds itself in Dispensationalism that many of you here in this forum believe. You shouldn't. That wall between Jew and Gentile is GONE. Destroyed by the death of Christ.... AT THE VERY DEATH OF CHRIST.

Yet the Church at Jerusalem failed the Gentiles..... in most every way.

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Notice Samaria...... and "uttermost parts of the earth". You have men in this very forum that teach a slightly extreme version of Dispensationalism in @jeremiah1five his belief is nothing more than a natural outgrowth of thoughts within Dispensationalism.

Samaria was Greek. The very name Samaria comes from GREEK.

Over and over again the Church at Jerusalem "lapsed" into sin and stopped treating Gentiles equally.

It would have been pointed out, not like some say of the idea that Luke avoided the "bad" stuff. That is pure speculation or, like noted earlier, a misreading of Paul.
I might agree in part that many church organizations have formed around invalid concepts of Christ, but that has happened forever. I would agree it is harder to find churches that have a solid understanding of the deity of Christ in America. But I don't make a wholesale statement about Christians' status.

Is this were your "silly comments" comes from?

Do you believe you live in the end times? Lets take that journey. Lets let the information take us where it leads us.

Luke was a historian. He didn't take sides in his account of history. He is a perfect historian in that right. Too many take sides and flavor their audience in the telling. Which is what King James did. Which is what Josephus did. It was most every author does. Not Luke.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Paul said that if a man does not work neither should he eat (2 Thessalonians 3:10)

A fine proverb to live by. Sinners should get Grace.

 

[Studyman]

You didn't attempt at all to engage with my commentary. You just decided to insist that your works HAVE MEANING. This is contrary to the teaching of other apostles.

No, you misrepresent my post. I posted Paul's words, Jesus' Words, Peter's words, which all agree and are aligned perfectly with James. I believe "Their" words have meaning. I simply believe what they say.

If you works have ETERNAL meaning then Christ died in vain.

Christ didn't die in vain. HE also didn't "LIVE" in vain either. His Words have meaning, and the Words of those who HE inspired in Scripture has meaning as well, in my view. My post showed that James and Paul taught the exact same thing concerning being "doers" of God's Laws. And Jesus too, and the Prophets. Many don't believe them, they believe "their" words. And that is fine. When your words align with the Jesus "of the bible" and the Apostles God gave to Him, then I will believe your words too. But until then, I'm choosing to "Yield myself" to God and His Righteousness with all my heart. Like Abraham did.

Also, just a little sin/leaven leavens the entire lump....

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

So we have every man trying to say that their works have meaning.

No, that is patently false PY. Paul's words, James words, Jesus Words, Peter words, the Word of God and the Prophets HE sent, they are the words I posted and reference. I believe "Their" words have meaning, not mine. That is why I post them.

when a single sin destroys every single work you've wrought. I'm not saying you can't do good. You can.

I'm saying that all the other apostles (contrary to James) teach that obedience is destroyed by sin. Since you can't cease from sin, you are self defeating.

Paul teaches;

Rom. 6: 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Jesus says, "Be ye perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

You and Civic and "many" other preachers of this world, preach to others this is impossible, and for those who refuse to "Yield themselves" servants to obey God, this is true.

My post shows that James and Paul said the "Exact same thing" concerning being "doers" of God's Laws, and not hearers only, the same as Jesus, His Father and the Prophets He sent. To me their words "mean" something.

You, yourself, are an example of incapability of mankind to do enough good to have Eternal significance. This "writer" referenced as "James" didn't understand this at all. He sought to establish his own righteousness. He didn't BOW... the knee completely to Jesus Christ.

But the reason for your condemnation of James, is the same teaching as Paul's, and Jesus', and Peter's, and also of the God of the Bible. I posted them for your review, but you have yet to even acknowledge them. Now you and Civic come along and try to convince me to erase all these Inspired by God Holy Scriptures, that Paul teaches are trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for "instruction in righteousness": That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished "unto all good works".

And you are here trying to convince me that "Yielding myself" to God, as Paul and Jesus teach, is trying to establish "my own righteousness".

What if James, Paul, Peter, Jesus, the Prophets and the God who sent them all, are right according to what is written in Scriptures, and it is you who doesn't understand?

Wouldn't the man who refused to consider this, be a man who seeks to establish his own righteousness?

 

[Studyman]

First, So when are you going to drag me before your church members. I will submit their judgement between us?

No they didn't. That is simply your perspective. Just quoting something without first establish your perspective as being true means what exact?

You're bloviating in an attempt to bully your way.....

Yes, it seems your universal sermon is that anyone who believes Scripture over your preaching, is a reprobate.

Abraham worked more than you ever will. Yet,

Wait a minute, I see your judgment coming on Abraham now, how he is a sinner, and according to your judgment God lied about him regarding his faithfulness and obedience.

Abraham committed sin in fathering Ishmael. How many descendants of Ishmael are now murdering the children of Isaac? How many descendents of Isaac are now murdering the descendants of Ishmael?

The sins of Abraham could only be expunged through the death of Jesus Christ.

There it is, right on time. God is just not "God enough" to help all these righteous descendants of Ishmael, because Abraham murdered them, or is at fault of murdering them.

God said to Abraham's son;

Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Why wouldn't God provide atonement for Abraham? Isn't that the whole point in repentance, and "putting on the New Man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness"?

Just because you don't believe all that is written, doesn't make what is written false.

It is amazing to me just how crazy people will act and go to try and prove their do "good works"...

For me, In my best day, my "good works" are a filthy rag. But the "Good Works" that God before ordained that we should walk in them, are not a filthy rag. They are His righteous, not mine. And if I don't strive to walk in them, they are still His Righteousness. And if I strive to walk in them, they are still His Righteousness.

Are these "MY WORDS"? No! Let me show you whose words they are.

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that "doeth righteousness" is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Your sin far outweighs any thing good you've ever done. That is true regardless of being "born again or not".

According to the Jesus "of the Bible", if a man denies himself, picks up his life's experience, and becomes a "doer" of the Christ "of the Bible's" teaching, this is a "good thing" according to the Holy Scriptures. I see your judgment of everyone, as if a man can't stop stealing, or lying, or coveting. Civic also promotes this religious philosophy, that God placed on the necks of men who trusted Him, laws impossible to walk in, that Civic calls "a Yoke of Bondage" and Beggarly Elements, and Rudiments of this world. And yet God still killed men by the thousands when they didn't keep them. I think this is an insidious lie, and horrible judgment against God and the "Way of the Lord".

Nevertheless, it is taught almost universally by "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, including you it seems.

You preach to me that my sins outweigh any of the "good works" of God that I "yield myself" to walk in, as Paul and Jesus instruct. But of your sin, you preach to the world they is gone, they don't even exist.

Funny how that works isn't.

Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Paul is speaking to Jews, Pharisees who were still promote their corrupt version of the Levitical Priesthood to the Galatians. To them, a man was only justified, if he brought a goat or sacrifice to a Levite Priest, according to the Law. (Works of the Law) Paul is trying to teach the Galatians that this Law of Justification, ADDED because of Transgressions, wasn't even ADDED until 430 years after Abraham was already Justified by being a "doer of God's Law" as Paul teaches. And it was a Priesthood only to be in place until the Prophesied High Priest of God, "After the Order of Melchizedek" should come. Paul teaches Abraham was not justified by these "Works of the Law" the Pharisees were promoting. He was justified by Living Faith, that is, he was a "doer" of God's Sayings, not a hearer only.

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh;

This is referencing the two Priesthoods.

Gal. 4: 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, (Instituted after the Golden calf, AKA, "Transgressions) which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. "Born under the Law" (Levitical Priesthood burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin)

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (The True High Priest of God who gave Himself a sacrifice for sins.

Abraham knew this.

Gen. 22: 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, "God will provide himself a lamb" for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Please detail what port is "silly". I can't tell from your response.


Never said differently. I agree.



Many have found problems with "James". I have detailed some of my own issues while including some that come from others. If James wasn't in the Bible at all, it wouldn't matter. If James was gone, what would it impact. Again. I want it included to witness the facts of the failures of the early church at Jerusalem. If you insist that "James" is the leader of the Church at Jerusalem than own it. I don't believe James is written by that "James". I said I was academically dealing with that assumption. However, I do believe that the writer of "James" held similar beliefs relative to the judizers in the Church that sought to show Jews are superior to Gentiles. That belief shows itself everywhere in the doctrines of men. It finds itself in Dispensationalism that many of you here in this forum believe. You shouldn't. That wall between Jew and Gentile is GONE. Destroyed by the death of Christ.... AT THE VERY DEATH OF CHRIST.

Yet the Church at Jerusalem failed the Gentiles..... in most every way.

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Notice Samaria...... and "uttermost parts of the earth". You have men in this very forum that teach a slightly extreme version of Dispensationalism in @jeremiah1five his belief is nothing more than a natural outgrowth of thoughts within Dispensationalism.

Samaria was Greek. The very name Samaria comes from GREEK.

Over and over again the Church at Jerusalem "lapsed" into sin and stopped treating Gentiles equally.



Is this were your "silly comments" comes from?

Do you believe you live in the end times? Lets take that journey. Lets let the information take us where it leads us.

Luke was a historian. He didn't take sides in his account of history. He is a perfect historian in that right. Too many take sides and flavor their audience in the telling. Which is what King James did. Which is what Josephus did. It was most every author does. Not Luke.

Where do you get your teaching from??? Samaria was not Greek.

Samaria is not inherently Greek. While it has a rich history involving various cultures, including Greek, the region's origin and identity are distinct from Greek culture.

Here's a breakdown:

• Origins: Samaria originated as a Canaanite city, later becoming the capital of the northern Kingdom of Israel.
• Greek Influence: After the Assyrian conquest, Samaria was populated by various peoples, including Greeks. This led to a period of Hellenization, where Greek culture and customs were introduced to the region.
• Samaritan Identity: Despite the Greek influence, the Samaritans developed their own distinct identity, religion, and traditions. They considered themselves descendants of the northern Kingdom of Israel.
• And they were.

In conclusion, while Samaria experienced Greek influence, it is not inherently Greek. Its history and identity are shaped by a complex interplay of various cultures. Samaria was the capital of the ten northern kingdoms.

You are so mixed up. You are being taught boo boo.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No, you misrepresent my post. I posted Paul's words, Jesus' Words, Peter's words, which all agree and are aligned perfectly with James. I believe "Their" words have meaning. I simply believe what they say.

You referenced them contrary to their context and meaning. We work because of an debt we owe. Not to prove our worth to God. He already knows us in Christ and has forgiven us as sons. Your false doctrine destroys these facts.

Christ didn't die in vain. HE also didn't "LIVE" in vain either.

Christ suffered for us in His life. Maybe you forgotten this. He didn't live to remove you from sin. He lived to raise you from the dead. If Christ lived to stop you from sinning, then HE FAILED. You know you still sin. We all do. God has purposed the Resurrection of our bodies to perfect us. Not your feeble attempts to prove yourself to Him.

You're a pastor and don't know these things, you're making your own disciples. Not disciples for Christ. You don't live like Christ and neither did Peter nor James. Neither did Paul. Though he probably came as close to do so as any apostle did.

Our message isn't YOUR PERFECT. Our message is Christ forgives. You've forgotten this.

His Words have meaning, and the Words of those who HE inspired in Scripture has meaning as well, in my view. My post showed that James and Paul taught the exact same thing concerning being "doers" of God's Laws.

Nonsense. "James" appeals to an event where Abraham didn't even offer up Isaac. God stop Abraham from completing the work that God alone has done. So get your facts right. Do I need to come to your church and have this conversation with YOUR deacons. I meaning they do rule your assembly. Right? Peter taught you well. The head ever man is CHRIST. Not you. Nor your deacons....

Isn't it wonderful how far "holy men" have fallen.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

No, that is patently false PY. Paul's words, James words, Jesus Words, Peter words, the Word of God and the Prophets HE sent, they are the words I posted and reference. I believe "Their" words have meaning, not mine. That is why I post them.

You're not James, Peter or Jesus. When you post their words within the context of your false appeal, then you're just using their good names to sell your own delusion. I keep tell you that all men do this. You're not greater than anyone else.

Peter, James and Jesus are not here "backing YOU up".

Paul teaches;

Rom. 6: 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

I'm going to stop right here and wait for you to deal with this issue you've created here....

The word "reign" here is βασιλεύω. It is an ancient word and appears from Genesis/Bereshit chapter 36 forward. It denotes a "KING". It literally expresses the literal "RULE/REIGN" over a person's life. Christ alone is our King. He is patient and kind toward His sons. He, for our own profit, chastens us, but it is because of His mercy towards His sons that he doesn't "consume us". It is the appeal that David made after his sin had consumed him. He begged God not to deal with him in His anger. "Lest he be consumed". There is a sin unto death in this life. Even David didn't reach it with Bathsheba and Absalom. He suffered the result of sin in losing his own children.

When we sin, it can lead to sin completely and entirely "RULING" our lives. However, we all sin to some degree, Yet it doesn't "reign/rule" our lives. You have no idea what you're doing here. You're trying to establish a life where sin doesn't exist in us.. That is not true. We all live in the flesh and our flesh is contrary to our Spirit. There is a battle that goes on in our lives but there is never an instance where we are completely removed from sin in this life. Our hope is the Resurrection through Jesus Christ.

You are ignoring your own sin. We sin but we don't have to allow that sin to RULE our lives. We bow the knee and repent. The measure of a good man is not the absence of sin, it is the fact that man gets up, and continues on.

This world would be a much better place if we all would see ourselves for what we are. That we look for new heavens and new earths. That we greatly desire our completion in the Resurrection.

Tell you what, if a man lives his entire life in sin to point of losing everything and everyone he has every known or loved, that man can still "go free" in Christ. You don't believe this. I do. Whomever wrote "James" has a problem with the false traditions he received from his heritage among men.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Where do you get your teaching from??? Samaria was not Greek.

Samaria is not inherently Greek. While it has a rich history involving various cultures, including Greek, the region's origin and identity are distinct from Greek culture.

Here's a breakdown:

• Origins: Samaria originated as a Canaanite city, later becoming the capital of the northern Kingdom of Israel.
• Greek Influence: After the Assyrian conquest, Samaria was populated by various peoples, including Greeks. This led to a period of Hellenization, where Greek culture and customs were introduced to the region.
• Samaritan Identity: Despite the Greek influence, the Samaritans developed their own distinct identity, religion, and traditions. They considered themselves descendants of the northern Kingdom of Israel.
• And they were.

In conclusion, while Samaria experienced Greek influence, it is not inherently Greek. Its history and identity are shaped by a complex interplay of various cultures. Samaria was the capital of the ten northern kingdoms.

You are so mixed up. You are being taught boo boo.

The word "Samaria" is English. It comes from the Greek word "Samareia" or Σαμάρεια. The Hebrew word is שֹׁמְרוֹן or Šōmrōn; Even Aramaic differs from Šōmrōn;

You need to abandon this silly notion that all Biblical things came from 9th century Hebrew. Hebrew has dramatically changed over the ages. The only unbroken root of Hebrew that exists is through the Greek language. Even then, there are issues.

You admit as much above but reject your own evidence for what is essential to maintain your false teachings.

 

[Studyman]

James appeals to an event 25 years removed the judgement of God in Abraham's life. God judged Abraham righteous while Abraham was still uncircumcised. He then received a "seal" of righteousness.

James is 25 years late......

Abraham took Isaac up a mountain to unjustly murder his own son. Abraham believed that God would raise Isaac from the dead because God had promised that the Heir of all things would come throw the seed of Isaac.

It is the faith of Abraham in the ability of God to rise Isaac from that dead that pleased God. God stopped Abraham from actually "WORKING".

Jesus mentioned the "Work of Abraham" so clearly God didn't "Stop" Abraham from "Working". The Holy Scriptures teach that Abraham set forth on a journey to offer his son to God. They rode for 3 days, "3 DAYS", they rode to the place God showed them for the offering, they even had the wood for the fire strapped on their donkey. Can you even imagine the voices in his head on this journey? Clearly not. For you to preach that Abraham did "No Work" concerning the offering of his son to God is ignorant at best, and unbiblical at most.

10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

Abraham obeyed God from his heart. He experienced every thought imaginable, even the one you promote to the world, that God's commands are unjust. And yet he was not detoured from obeying God's command. He did and experienced everything but stick the knife in the boy. Abraham didn't withhold his only son from the God who gave him to Abraham in the first place. You say God stopped his "work" to justify your disobedience. But God knows better, and Abraham did indeed offer up his own son to God, as it is written.

You want to believe that offering Isaac is what pleased God when that is not true. It is the heart of man that God looks upon. Intent. Intimacy. Belief. Not just what we follow through with..... in obedience.

You fail. You know you do. That leaven... leavens the whole lump... I fail, that leaven leavens the entire lump.

This "James" never understands this at all. It is why he wrote what he wrote.

You don't have a clue what it means to have this kind of belief or faith that Abraham, James, Paul, Peter or other examples of Faithful man had. And yet you judge Abraham as nothing more than a common sinner, like you. And you exalt yourself as a judge of James as well.

Abraham didn't fail his test of his faith. You do, that's fine, clearly you don't believe in God like Abraham, David, Caleb, Meshak and other examples of faithful men given us in Scriptures. Clearly you don't see in these men, what God sees in them, given you preach to whoever will listen, that they all failed, all full of leaven, all are nothing more than a common sinner, just like you.

The Spirit of the Christ "of the Bible" would never inspire such a belief or judgment against these "men of God".

In Hebrews, the Author describes;

Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, (Abraham, Moses, Caleb, David, the Prophets, Meshak, Shadrack, Peter, Corneilous, Zacharias, Simeon, the Wise men) let "us lay aside" every weight, "and the sin" which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience "the race that is set before us",

2 Looking unto Jesus "the author" and finisher of "our" faith; (The greatest example of Faith to ever be born of a woman) who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction "of sinners against himself", lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, "striving against sin".

And surely this describes the world we live in. So what is your excuse then, and how can you judge these men who were facing death for their obedience to God?

So you and Civic and Kenneth Copeland and whoever, can try and convince me I will always fail, always choose wickedness over righteousness, always choose my will over God's, like you guys do, and you can judge and use Abraham, David, James, Peter, whoever you want to use, to convince me that God and His Son lied to me in their instructions to me.

And what would I say to God when HE asks me in that day "What is this that thou hast done?" Will I say, "The serpent beguiled me, and convinced me it is impossible for a man to obey God", or "Civic convinced me to stop striving against transgression of your laws". Or "Praise Yeshua convinced me that there is no generation of the righteous that you dwell in"?

No PY. God's Inspired Word didn't lie to me.

Rom. 8: 37 Nay, in all these things "we are more than conquerors" through "him" that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us "from the love of God", "which is in" Christ Jesus our Lord.

You have lost your way PY.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Jesus mentioned the "Work of Abraham" so clearly God didn't "Stop" Abraham from "Working". The Holy Scriptures teach that Abraham set forth on a journey to offer his son to God. They rode for 3 days, "3 DAYS", they rode to the place God showed them for the offering, they even had the wood for the fire strapped on their donkey. Can you even imagine the voices in his head on this journey? Clearly not. For you to preach that Abraham did "No Work" concerning the offering of his son to God is ignorant at best, and unbiblical at most.

Abraham didn't offer up Isaac as an offering. God stopped Him. God provided HIS OWN OFFERING. Read the story again.

This isn't complicated. Yet, you're squirming and "grasping" at things that don't have meaning IF.... Abraham didn't complete the offering. Abraham didn't complete the offering..... God completed it FOR HIM..... Abraham's efforts didn't mean much of anything. While Abraham was leading Isaac up one side of that mountain God was leading His Lamb up the other side of that mountain.

God's work is ALL that matters. You're preaching YOURSELF.

You're doing nothing more than ignoring the obvious. The appeals you're making to Scripture are self serving and devoid of any substance.

I've seen it time and time again in my life. "Church rules" replacing Jesus Christ as King in their disciples lives. Christ is not with you in this. Proof can be found in this. Lets discuss this openly among our peers.

So you and Civic and Kenneth Copeland and whoever, can try and convince me I will always fail, always choose wickedness over righteousness, always choose my will over God's, like you guys do, and you can judge and use Abraham, David, James, Peter, whoever you want to use, to convince me that God and His Son lied to me in their instructions to me.

Civic doesn't agree with me. Doesn't matter. I don't "hold back" because I'm trying to get along with everyone else. We can disagree and still love one another. We might not can fellowship in the Truth but you're God's offspring. I will not be that "elder son" that gets jealous over God's Grace toward the undeserving.

And what would I say to God when HE asks me in that day "What is this that thou hast done?" Will I say, "The serpent beguiled me, and convinced me it is impossible for a man to obey God", or "Civic convinced me to stop striving against transgression of your laws". Or "Praise Yeshua convinced me that there is no generation of the righteous that you dwell in"?

The righteousness of God is contrary to your own personal sin. You're caught in the trap that exists in Calvinistic doctrine where God "SERVED SIN". God is not afraid of sin. Sin has no chance with God. Sin doesn't stand as a competent foe to God. God has purposed the defeat of sin through Christ and the Resurrection of the Dead.

I'm not excusing sin. There is humility and regret for the child of God when they sin. We don't always "humble ourselves". No flesh will Glory in the presence of God. We all have that problem. Saved or not.

No PY. God's Inspired Word didn't lie to me.

I know... "Inspiration, Inspiration". James is not inspired. It was collected and edited. There are variant manuscripts of James. I mentioned that before. Someone made a decision for YOU in this. They then translated it FOR YOU. You went and bought a copy of that "work" that came to you from less than perfect men. The idea that God "preserved" something perfectly to you and placed it at your feet....... Is just self serving.

Rom. 8: 37 Nay, in all these things "we are more than conquerors" through "him" that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us "from the love of God", "which is in" Christ Jesus our Lord.

You have lost your way PY.

I tell you what. For close to 30 years now, many have rejoiced with me when I say something they agree with. When I say something they don't like, they condemn me. It has been happening over and over for a very long time. I decided 30 years ago to abandon everything I believe and start over. I knew that I was lied to. I made the Truth my own. I made my own decisions.

The things I'm discussion in this topic I have believed for a very long time. If you think "I've lost my way"...... then it happened 30 years ago now. All God has every done in my life since that time....has openly LOVED ME...... People have come and gone in my life but He will never leave me. I rejoice in Him. I cherish Him. I keep fighting for Him.

You've put "James" between you and God. Make your own choices. All I can do is tell you what I believe to be the Truth without hesitation and with courage that it will make a difference in your life. Don't listen to me. Listen to God.

 

[Studyman]

You referenced them contrary to their context and meaning.

It's pretty hard not to see the "Context" in these Scriptures that I posted for your review, to show you how the Scripture confirm that James is aligned with Paul, Jesus and the Prophets. This contradicts your religion PY, your adopted doctrines. Not the Holy Scriptures.

(For "not the hearers" of the law are just before God, but the "doers of the law" shall be justified.

Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to "obey God" rather than men.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and "doeth them", I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, "if thou shalt keep" the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.

Fear God, and keep his commandments: "for this is the whole duty of man". 14 For God shall bring "every work" into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

James 1: 22 But be ye "doers of the word", and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

In fact, this is the theme throughout the Scriptures from the beginning to the end.

Rev. 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that "keep the commandments of God", and the faith of Jesus.

We work because of an debt we owe. Not to prove our worth to God. He already knows us in Christ and has forgiven us as sons. Your false doctrine destroys these facts.

I think you are confusing "Worth" with Faith. I don't do that. I believe in the instructions from the Scriptures.

2 Cor. 13: 5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; "prove your own selves". Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Christ suffered for us in His life. Maybe you forgotten this. He didn't live to remove you from sin. He lived to raise you from the dead. If Christ lived to stop you from sinning, then HE FAILED.

Again, that is your religion. The Jesus "of the Bible" said "Be ye perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect". You have been convinced, not by Scriptures, but by the "other voices" in the garden God placed you in, that both God and His son lied to you by instructing you to do what is impossible for you to do.

This is no different than the serpent in the garden, convincing Eve that God lied to her. So why are you still such a sinner? It is because without belief/faith, you can't please God.

It's evident in all your posts. You don't believe, therefore no one believes. You refuse to keep your flesh in subjection, as Paul teaches, therefore everyone refuses to keep their flesh under subjection. You are using yourself as an example of faith to live by. That is a mistake, in my view.

You know you still sin. We all do. God has purposed the Resurrection of our bodies to perfect us. Not your feeble attempts to prove yourself to Him.

Again, you are not my God, and I don't follow the instructions of the "other voices" in the garden God placed me in. I am not perfect, but I press towards the prize of perfection, as defined by God, in belief that this is why Jesus said, "Be ye perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect". It's a way of life that Jesus and His faithful walked, and HE invited me to strive to walk the same Path. He told me you would ridicule me and try and turn me away from the narrow path HE instructed me to strive for.

You're a pastor and don't know these things, you're making your own disciples. Not disciples for Christ. You don't live like Christ and neither did Peter nor James. Neither did Paul. Though he probably came as close to do so as any apostle did.

Our message isn't YOUR PERFECT. Our message is Christ forgives. You've forgotten this.

Again, I know what your message is, and your judgment of God and His instruction in righteousness, along with your judgment of those who God glorified. I post His Words, and you completely ignore them, even refusing to acknowledge they exist.

And now you tell me I have forgotten that God provided for my Forgiveness through His only begotten Son. Truly the Scriptures are fulfilled, "There is no truth in them".

Nonsense. "James" appeals to an event where Abraham didn't even offer up Isaac. God stop Abraham from completing the work that God alone has done. So get your facts right. Do I need to come to your church and have this conversation with YOUR deacons. I meaning they do rule your assembly. Right? Peter taught you well. The head ever man is CHRIST. Not you. Nor your deacons....

Isn't it wonderful how far "holy men" have fallen.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

I get that God's Word stirs a hatred within you, and you take it out on those who would post them. Jesus said you would come. And truly Abraham saw the Day of Christ and was glad, even as I am. So you are free to say all manner of falsehoods and nasty things about me, not knowing or even caring if they are true. It is a common reaction for this world's self-appointed "ministers of righteousness" and it deters away from what the scriptures actually say. I advocate that men turn to the God of the Bible and Seek HIS Righteousness, and for that I am slandered a lot. Jesus is my High Priest and Lord, The Law and Prophets, along with the Apostles God gave to Jesus are my teachers, as the Jesus of the Bible instructs me to "Hear them".

You free to promote whatever is in your heart, and I thank God that you do on this forum. As the Jesus "of the Bible teaches, "You shall know them by their fruits".

 

[Studyman]

Abraham didn't offer up Isaac as an offering. God stopped Him. God provided HIS OWN OFFERING. Read the story again.

Gen. 22: "for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

God did provide Himself a Lamb for an offering. But you refuse to accept and acknowledge that Abraham did not withhold his only son from God.

I have Gods voice, and I have your voice in the garden God placed me in. I cannot have two masters, so no offence but I choose to believe in the God of the Bible's Words, over yours. Since this clearly angers you, and as time goes on you get angrier and nastier, I think it's time to walk away from your condemnation of James and the "Generation of the Righteous" that God is in.

Thanks for the study topic though.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Gen. 22: "for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

God did provide Himself a Lamb for an offering. But you refuse to accept and acknowledge that Abraham did not withhold his only son from God.

I never did such a thing. In fact, read back through what I said. You will find that Abraham believed God would raise Isaac from the grave.

Abraham passed the test 3 days earlier when he believed God and started toward the mountain. This is an allegory of the Resurrection of Christ. Abraham stuck the dagger through Isaacs heart 3 days before he got to the top of the mountain. Faith. Not works. Faith.

Abraham didn't literally murder his innocent son Isaac. You need to see this for what it is. A picture of faith in the Resurrection. I have full faith that regardless of my own failures to finish the "work", God will take care of me as a son.

I have Gods voice, and I have your voice in the garden God placed me in. I cannot have two masters, so no offence but I choose to believe in the God of the Bible's Words, over yours. Since this clearly angers you, and as time goes on you get angrier and nastier, I think it's time to walk away from your condemnation of James and the "Generation of the Righteous" that God is in.
Thanks for the study topic though.

Angry? You're been rather defensive yourself. I've never treated you any differently than a brother. Brothers argue. They should.

You're walking away because you have no defense. At every step, I've disarmed you. Doesn't matter to me if you recognize it or not. That is why I appealed to your deacons and your church members. Let them judge between us.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's pretty hard not to see the "Context" in these Scriptures that I posted for your review, to show you how the Scripture confirm that James is aligned with Paul, Jesus and the Prophets. This contradicts your religion PY, your adopted doctrines. Not the Holy Scriptures.

(For "not the hearers" of the law are just before God, but the "doers of the law" shall be justified.

James 1: 22 But be ye "doers of the word", and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

YOU haven't keep the law. You're lying. James appeals to keeping a law that he never keep too.

Paul's use of Roman's 2:13 was to condemn all men. You simply refuse to be condemned by your own failures.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

You seek to the be under a law that served to condemn you.

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

You keep insisting that you can keep what you haven't kept. Doesn't that sound familiar? "James didn't understand it either. Paul understood it because he heard the Truth from Stephen and it changed his life forever.

Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Perfect contrast between James and Paul. Thanks. Your appeals are self defeating.

I think you are confusing "Worth" with Faith. I don't do that. I believe in the instructions from the Scriptures.

2 Cor. 13: 5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; "prove your own selves". Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Again, that is your religion. The Jesus "of the Bible" said "Be ye perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect". You have been convinced, not by Scriptures, but by the "other voices" in the garden God placed you in, that both God and His son lied to you by instructing you to do what is impossible for you to do.

You're a good disciple of MacArthur. How kind of you with such words of encouragement. Words that really mean nothing to you because you're unwilling to do what Paul said..... Become guilty... .UNDER THE LAW.

I'm certainly not convinced by "James". You know the guy that ignored the Gentiles to their damnation.

Remember when I said there are good things in the writing of "James". Here is a perfect example.

Jas 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

Contrast this against what Paul said.

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Anyone with a rational thought can see the that Paul's word are much more effective in expressing the Truth. James is much less effective even when he tells Jews to pray to one another. Remember.....

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Maybe I should just forget James because he isn't writing to ME.... I'm not a Jew you know..... Just a second class citizen of heaven. Just a lowly Gentile scraping for crumbs. You've got all the meat... right? All that meat from the Master's table?

You should realize that when God deals with sinful men that refuse to find themselves guilty before God, He often says what is necessary for that person to come to their own realization of the Truth.

Good men find themselves guilty as charged. Good men afford Grace to all men and forgive. "James"... well he talks to only "his own" and insist they treat each other properly within their own "clans".....

Sound familiar? How many "clans" exist among Gentiles today? Each all loving their own and ignoring others. Same thing happened in the early church. Your idol of "James" is distracting you. You're in the "end times". Christianity of the early church has been forgotten much less served.

You're just as much a victim of this as anyone is. I was victim and yet here I am being condemned for simply arguing against your position. What sin do you want to charge me? Bring the charges against me and lets bring it before YOUR church. The one you rule and lets see what becomes of it.

I think I'll add a #6.

6. James appeals to keep the law and Paul appeals to having keep the faith.

We know that Paul didn't perfectly keep the law. Thusly, he was condemn under the law. However, Paul did keep the faith.

James however......

Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

2Tim 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

You will never stop breaking the law this side of the Resurrection. However, you can keep the faith. Good men don't deny they fall. They fall and get back up....

 

[praise_yeshua]

#7 If James just repeats what all the other epistles/NT writings say, then why the need for "James"?

I can make the argument that what "James" wrote is inferior to what John and Paul wrote. Thusly, there is no need for James at all.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The word "Samaria" is English. It comes from the Greek word "Samareia" or Σαμάρεια. The Hebrew word is שֹׁמְרוֹן or Šōmrōn; Even Aramaic differs from Šōmrōn;

You need to abandon this silly notion that all Biblical things came from 9th century Hebrew. Hebrew has dramatically changed over the ages. The only unbroken root of Hebrew that exists is through the Greek language. Even then, there are issues.

You admit as much above but reject your own evidence for what is essential to maintain your false teachings.

I hold that God is the Author and Originator of all things in creation - even evil. Yeah, a lot of you have a big problem with this. That's terrible. As I've said many times, I take Scripture as written, and I study under the anointing and the LORD allows me to see this so-great salvation and all its parts. But He takes me from glory to glory and it's all in His timing. But He'll let me have things from Him that He has prepared me to receive, and I take every line upon line to heart. But I am also aware the Lord is bringing more truth to light in these last days in preparation for the two Hebrew witnesses of Revelation 11 to build upon and also to make Israel aware through the Hebrew Scriptures that this Carpenter from Nazareth was truly their long-awaited Messiah, Lord and King. What does the world of non-Hebrew Gentiles do? They copy God. In every society are laws against killing and many variations of killing but they all got it from God. They just don't want to be ruled by Him. In time, He's going to rule over them all anyway - if He doesn't first destroy them from the face of the earth. So, I'm not swayed. In time Samaria will be part of Greater Israel when the Lord finally keeps His land-promise to Abraham and his seed and deports every non-Hebrew Gentile from the land of Israel and the Hebrew people finally have their real estate without any Gentiles to defile their Holy Land.
Oh, Happy Day!

 

[praise_yeshua]

I hold that God is the Author and Originator of all things in creation - even evil. Yeah, a lot of you have a big problem with this. That's terrible. As I've said many times, I take Scripture as written, and I study under the anointing and the LORD allows me to see this so-great salvation and all its parts. But He takes me from glory to glory and it's all in His timing. But He'll let me have things from Him that He has prepared me to receive, and I take every line upon line to heart. But I am also aware the Lord is bringing more truth to light in these last days in preparation for the two Hebrew witnesses of Revelation 11 to build upon and also to make Israel aware through the Hebrew Scriptures that this Carpenter from Nazareth was truly their long-awaited Messiah, Lord and King. What does the world of non-Hebrew Gentiles do? They copy God. In every society are laws against killing and many variations of killing but they all got it from God. They just don't want to be ruled by Him. In time, He's going to rule over them all anyway - if He doesn't first destroy them from the face of the earth. So, I'm not swayed. In time Samaria will be part of Greater Israel when the Lord finally keeps His land-promise to Abraham and his seed and deports every non-Hebrew Gentile from the land of Israel and the Hebrew people finally have their real estate without any Gentiles to defile their Holy Land.
Oh, Happy Day!

Got it. What I said is true and you can't deny it. Thusly, you claim anointing. Typical nonsense.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Got it. What I said is true and you can't deny it. Thusly, you claim anointing. Typical nonsense.

Jesus said to judge righteous judgment.
You fail.

 

[Studyman]

YOU haven't keep the law. You're lying. James appeals to keeping a law that he never keep too.

You preach to the world that Abraham didn't keep God's Laws either. But God said he did. So no offence, but God didn't lie about Abraham, or David or Zacharias or other Faithful obedient men spoken of in the Holy scriptures, YOU DO.

Perhaps you should clean up the deception that comes from your own heart, before you go about judging God and His Son and those who believe them.

Paul's use of Roman's 2:13 was to condemn all men. You simply refuse to be condemned by your own failures.

That is BS. Paul is teaching the same thing the Law and Prophets, and the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches.

5 But after "thy hardness and impenitent heart" treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation "of the righteous judgment of God";

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who "by patient continuance" in well doing (Work) seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but "obey unrighteousness", indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that "doeth" evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Isaac was blessed "Because that Abraham obeyed my (Gods) voice, and kept my (Gods) charge, my (Gods) commandments, my (Gods) statutes, and my (Gods) laws."

Abraham was a "doer of the Word of God", not a hearer, just like Jesus, Paul, James, Peter and the entire Law and Prophets teach.

It is clear you don't believe them. Paul discusses this as well.

Rom. 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make "the faith of God without effect"?

4 God forbid: (That means NO PY) yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

According to Paul, and the Holy scriptures, God is not the liar.

Perhaps you might consider repentance and a change of heart.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

You seek to the be under a law that served to condemn you.

You don't understand what Law the Pharisees were still promoting "for remission of sins" AKA "justification". I would ask you to go into the Gospel of Christ, where from within it is written, "The Just shall live by Faith", and find what was required for a man to do if he transgressed God's commandments. And read Isaiah 1 as well, as it describes the Pharisees who lived in rebellion to Gods Laws but showed up once a week with the blood of innocent life, (According to the Priesthood Law) to justify themselves.

No one who doesn't believe Gods Word, are justified of their sins by offering for their unbelief and willful disobedience, a work of the law.

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

12 Sam. 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, "to obey" is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft", and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Abraham was justified "without the Levitical Priesthood". Jesus forgave sins without sprinkling a drop of animal blood. God's Righteousness is and was made manifest "without the Law" that the Pharisees were still promoting.

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

You keep insisting that you can keep what you haven't kept. Doesn't that sound familiar? "James didn't understand it either. Paul understood it because he heard the Truth from Stephen and it changed his life forever.

Why do men need "justification"? Because all have sinned, yes? And what "LAW" were the Jews promoting for "Justification" in Paul's time?

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith "in his blood", (Not the blood of goats and bulls, as per the old Priesthood) to declare "his righteousness" (Not the Priests of the Levitical Priesthood) for the "remission of sins that are past", through the forbearance of God;

Acts 13: 37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through "this man" (Not through the Levitical Priesthood, as per the law) is preached unto you "the forgiveness of sins":

39 And "by him" "all that believe" are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified "by the law of Moses". (Leviticus 4)

40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

I believe all that is written. You don't. Therefore, we disagree.

Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Perfect contrast between James and Paul. Thanks. Your appeals are self defeating.

David didn't kill or persecute the Prophets God sent to him. Abraham didn't either. Shadrack didn't. Zacharias didn't. The Wise men didn't. According to the Holy Scriptures, these men received the Law by the disposition of angels, and kept it.

They were "Doers of Gods Law" just as the Law and Prophets, Paul, James and the Jesus "of the Bible" teach men to be.

These things are Biblically true whether you believe them or not. Were these men perfect? NO, only the man Jesus was perfect. But they strived for the narrow path, with patience continuance in well doing, because they believed Gods Word.

You're a good disciple of MacArthur. How kind of you with such words of encouragement. Words that really mean nothing to you because you're unwilling to do what Paul said..... Become guilty... .UNDER THE LAW.

Well, you judge Abraham and David in direct contradiction of Gods Own Words. So, it is not surprising at all that you would place your same erroneous judgement on a nobody like me.

I'm certainly not convinced by "James". You know the guy that ignored the Gentiles to their damnation.

You have exalted yourself as a Judge no doubt.

Remember when I said there are good things in the writing of "James". Here is a perfect example.

Jas 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

Contrast this against what Paul said.

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Anyone with a rational thought can see the that Paul's word are much more effective in expressing the Truth. James is much less effective even when he tells Jews to pray to one another. Remember.....

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Maybe I should just forget James because he isn't writing to ME.... I'm not a Jew you know..... Just a second class citizen of heaven. Just a lowly Gentile scraping for crumbs. You've got all the meat... right? All that meat from the Master's table?

Yes, poor "praise yeshua", the Judge of all, he is so humble and persecuted.

You should realize that when God deals with sinful men that refuse to find themselves guilty before God, He often says what is necessary for that person to come to their own realization of the Truth.
Good men find themselves guilty as charged. Good men afford Grace to all men and forgive. "James"... well he talks to only "his own" and insist they treat each other properly within their own "clans".....

And of course, you are the "good man", while I am a reprobate because I believe what is written in Scriptures.

Sound familiar? How many "clans" exist among Gentiles today? Each all loving their own and ignoring others. Same thing happened in the early church. Your idol of "James" is distracting you. You're in the "end times". Christianity of the early church has been forgotten much less served.

Of course, because I believe the words of Paul, and Jesus, and the Law and Prophets, and James, who I have shown teach the exact same thing, I am judged again by you as an unrepentant "Idol worshipper".

You're just as much a victim of this as anyone is. I was victim and yet here I am being condemned for simply arguing against your position. What sin do you want to charge me? Bring the charges against me and lets bring it before YOUR church. The one you rule and lets see what becomes of it.

LOL, so let me get this right. I post scriptures that you can't discuss openly on this forum, because they bring question to the religious philosophy you have adopted, and are now promoting, and for that you call me an unrepentant sinner, and idol worshipper, and now you are preaching that I condemn you.

You can't make this stuff up.

I think I'll add a #6.

6. James appeals to keep the law and Paul appeals to having keep the faith.

We know that Paul didn't perfectly keep the law. Thusly, he was condemn under the law. However, Paul did keep the faith.

Here is what Paul actually says.

1 Cor. 7: 19 Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Phil. 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark "for the prize of the high calling of God" in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Paul, David, Abraham, Zacharias, Peter, and all the example of men of "True Faith", all strived to be Holy, and Perfect and righteous, even as Jesus was Holy, Perfect and righteous. That is the "FAITH" Abraham and Paul strived for.

No doubt they also contended with men such as you, who would work to turn them away for this "High Calling of God". But as Peter and the other Apostles God gave to Jesus tells us;

Acts 5: 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to "obey God" rather than men.

James however......

Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

2Tim 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

You will never stop breaking the law this side of the Resurrection. However, you can keep the faith. Good men don't deny they fall. They fall and get back up....

Get back up to what? Isn't it to "walk in" the Good Works God before ordained that men should walk in them? To "Press towards the Prize of the High Calling of God", that was in the Jesus of the Bible? To "be perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect"?

Or is "faith" in your religion, simply sinning in Christ's Name?