I Will Build My Church

[DavidTree]

BY: A.W. PINK:

It may appear to some of our readers that the exposition we have given of John 3:16 in the chapter on "Difficulties and Objections" is a forced and unnatural one, inasmuch as our definition of the term "world" seems to be out of harmony with the meaning and scope of this word in other passages, where, to supply the world of believers (God's elect) as a definition of "world" would make no sense. Many have said to us, "Surely, 'world' means world, that is, you, me, and everybody." In reply we would say: We know from experience how difficult it is to set aside the "traditions of men" and come to a passage which we have heard explained in a certain way scores of times, and study it carefully for ourselves without bias Nevertheless, this is essential if we would learn the mind of God.

Many people suppose they already know the simple meaning of John 3:16, and therefore they conclude that no diligent study is required of them to discover the precise teaching of this verse. Needless to say, such an attitude shuts out any further light which they otherwise might obtain on the passage. Yet, if anyone will take a Concordance and read carefully the various passages in which the term "world" (as a translation of "kosmos") occurs, he will quickly perceive that to ascertain the precise meaning of, the word "world" in any given passage is not nearly so easy as is popularly supposed. The word "kosmos," and its English equivalent "world," is not used with a uniform significance in the New Testament. Very far from it. It is used in quite a number of different ways. Below we will refer to a few passages where this term occurs, suggesting a tentative definition in each case:

"Kosmos" is used of the Universe as a whole: Acts 17: 24 - "God that made the world and all things therein seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth." is used of the Universe as a whole: Acts 17: 24 - "God that made the world and all things therein seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth."

"Kosmos" is used of the earth: John 13:1; Eph. 1:4, etc., etc.- "When Jesus knew that his hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world He loved them unto the end." "Depart out of this world" signifies, leave this earth. "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world." This expression signifies, before the earth was founded-compare Job 38:4 etc.

"Kosmos" is used of the world-system: John 12:31 etc. "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the Prince of this world be cast out"- compare Matt. 4:8 and I John 5:19, R. V.

"Kosmos" is used of the whole human race: Rom. 3: 19, etc.-"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."

"Kosmos" is used of humanity minus believers: John 15:18; Rom. 3:6 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before it hated you." Believers do not "hate" Christ, so that "the world" here must signify the world of unbelievers in contrast from believers who love Christ. "God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world." Here is another passage where "the world" cannot mean "you, me, and everybody," for believers will not be "judged" by God, see John 5:24. So that here, too, it must be the world of unbelievers which is in view. is used of humanity minus believers: John 15:18; Rom. 3:6 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before it hated you." Believers do not "hate" Christ, so that "the world" here must signify the world of unbelievers in contrast from believers who love Christ. "God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world." Here is another passage where "the world" cannot mean "you, me, and everybody," for believers will not be "judged" by God, see John 5:24. So that here, too, it must be the world of unbelievers which is in view.

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"Kosmos" is used of Gentiles in contrast from Jews: Rom. 11:12 etc. "Now if the fall of them (Israel) be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them (Israel) the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their (Israel's) fulness." Note how the first clause in italics is defined by the latter clause placed in italics. Here, again, "the world" cannot signify all humanity for it excludes Israel!

"Kosmos" is used of believers only: John 1:29; 3:16, 17; 6:33; 12;47; I Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19. We leave our readers to turn to these passages, asking them to note, carefully, exactly what is said and predicated of "the world" in each place. is used of believers only: John 1:29; 3:16, 17; 6:33; 12;47; I Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19. We leave our readers to turn to these passages, asking them to note, carefully, exactly what is said and predicated of "the world" in each place.

Thus it will be seen that "kosmos" has at least seven clearly defined different meanings in the New Testament. It may be asked, Has then God used a word thus to confuse and confound those who read the Scriptures? We answer, No! nor has He written His Word for lazy people who are too dilatory, or too busy with the things of this world, or, like Martha, so much occupied with "serving," they have no time and no heart to "search" and "study" Holy Writ! Should it be asked further, But how is a searcher of the Scriptures to know which of the above meanings the term "world" has in any given passage? The answer is: This may be ascertained by a careful study of the context, by diligently noting what is predicated of "the world" in each passage, and by prayer fully consulting other parallel passages to the one being studied. The principal subject of John 3:16 is Christ as the Gift of God.

The first clause tells us what moved God to "give" His only begotten Son, and that was His great "love;" the second clause informs us for whom God "gave" His Son, and that is for, "whosoever (or, better, 'every one') believeth;" while the last clause makes known why God "gave" His Son (His purpose), and that is, that everyone that believeth "should not perish but have everlasting life." That "the world" in John 3:16 refers to the world of believers (God's elect), in contradistinction from "the world of the ungodly" (2 Pet. 2:5), is established, unequivocally established, by a comparison of the other passages which speak of God's "love." "God commendeth His love toward US"-the saints, Rom. 5:8. "Whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth"-every son, Heb. 12:6. "We love Him, because He first loved US"-believers, I John 4:19. The wicked God "pities" (see Matt. 18:33). Unto the unthankful and evil God is "kind" (see Luke 6:35). The vessels of wrath He endures "with much long-suffering" (see Rom. 9:22). But "His own" God "loves"!!

"It may appear to some of our readers that the exposition we have given of John 3:16".......................BLAH BLAH BLAH

"The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth." = Psalm 145:18




Know your ABC's of Salvation = Titus 2:11

A - For the grace of God that brings salvation
B - has appeared
C - to all men


Know your ABC's of Salvation = Acts 2:21
A - And it shall come to pass
B - That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
C- Shall be saved.’

 

[john]

prophecy is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Yesterday, today, and forever.

where do you get all this junk at . you have completely twisted the new testament none of your post lines up with scripture

 

[TomL]

First, the Scripture from Genesis to Revelation is written by Hebrews/Jews to and for other Hebrews/Jews, and everything that has to do with redemptive history has covenant Israel at its center.
Since Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus (a Jew) and since God has salvation covenants with Abraham and his seed, the context of the word "world" means the Jews, or the "world" of the Jews.
God has covenant with Israel. Jesus Christ is a Jew. And when He returns, He will come to destroy Israel's enemies and sit upon the throne of His glory in Jerusalem, and from there rule His covenant people.

Here. Learn something: BY A.W. PINK

It may appear to some of our readers that the exposition we have given of John 3:16 in the chapter on "Difficulties and Objections" is a forced and unnatural one, inasmuch as our definition of the term "world" seems to be out of harmony with the meaning and scope of this word in other passages, where, to supply the world of believers (God's elect) as a definition of "world" would make no sense. Many have said to us, "Surely, 'world' means world, that is, you, me, and everybody." In reply we would say: We know from experience how difficult it is to set aside the "traditions of men" and come to a passage which we have heard explained in a certain way scores of times, and study it carefully for ourselves without bias Nevertheless, this is essential if we would learn the mind of God.

Many people suppose they already know the simple meaning of John 3:16, and therefore they conclude that no diligent study is required of them to discover the precise teaching of this verse. Needless to say, such an attitude shuts out any further light which they otherwise might obtain on the passage. Yet, if anyone will take a Concordance and read carefully the various passages in which the term "world" (as a translation of "kosmos") occurs, he will quickly perceive that to ascertain the precise meaning of, the word "world" in any given passage is not nearly so easy as is popularly supposed. The word "kosmos," and its English equivalent "world," is not used with a uniform significance in the New Testament. Very far from it. It is used in quite a number of different ways. Below we will refer to a few passages where this term occurs, suggesting a tentative definition in each case:

"Kosmos" is used of the Universe as a whole: Acts 17: 24 - "God that made the world and all things therein seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth." is used of the Universe as a whole: Acts 17: 24 - "God that made the world and all things therein seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth."

"Kosmos" is used of the earth: John 13:1; Eph. 1:4, etc., etc.- "When Jesus knew that his hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world He loved them unto the end." "Depart out of this world" signifies, leave this earth. "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world." This expression signifies, before the earth was founded-compare Job 38:4 etc.

"Kosmos" is used of the world-system: John 12:31 etc. "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the Prince of this world be cast out"- compare Matt. 4:8 and I John 5:19, R. V.

"Kosmos" is used of the whole human race: Rom. 3: 19, etc.-"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."

"Kosmos" is used of humanity minus believers: John 15:18; Rom. 3:6 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before it hated you." Believers do not "hate" Christ, so that "the world" here must signify the world of unbelievers in contrast from believers who love Christ. "God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world." Here is another passage where "the world" cannot mean "you, me, and everybody," for believers will not be "judged" by God, see John 5:24. So that here, too, it must be the world of unbelievers which is in view. is used of humanity minus believers: John 15:18; Rom. 3:6 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before it hated you." Believers do not "hate" Christ, so that "the world" here must signify the world of unbelievers in contrast from believers who love Christ. "God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world." Here is another passage where "the world" cannot mean "you, me, and everybody," for believers will not be "judged" by God, see John 5:24. So that here, too, it must be the world of unbelievers which is in view.

​

​ ​

"Kosmos" is used of Gentiles in contrast from Jews: Rom. 11:12 etc. "Now if the fall of them (Israel) be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them (Israel) the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their (Israel's) fulness." Note how the first clause in italics is defined by the latter clause placed in italics. Here, again, "the world" cannot signify all humanity for it excludes Israel!

"Kosmos" is used of believers only: John 1:29; 3:16, 17; 6:33; 12;47; I Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19. We leave our readers to turn to these passages, asking them to note, carefully, exactly what is said and predicated of "the world" in each place. is used of believers only: John 1:29; 3:16, 17; 6:33; 12;47; I Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19. We leave our readers to turn to these passages, asking them to note, carefully, exactly what is said and predicated of "the world" in each place.

Thus it will be seen that "kosmos" has at least seven clearly defined different meanings in the New Testament. It may be asked, Has then God used a word thus to confuse and confound those who read the Scriptures? We answer, No! nor has He written His Word for lazy people who are too dilatory, or too busy with the things of this world, or, like Martha, so much occupied with "serving," they have no time and no heart to "search" and "study" Holy Writ! Should it be asked further, But how is a searcher of the Scriptures to know which of the above meanings the term "world" has in any given passage? The answer is: This may be ascertained by a careful study of the context, by diligently noting what is predicated of "the world" in each passage, and by prayer fully consulting other parallel passages to the one being studied. The principal subject of John 3:16 is Christ as the Gift of God.

The first clause tells us what moved God to "give" His only begotten Son, and that was His great "love;" the second clause informs us for whom God "gave" His Son, and that is for, "whosoever (or, better, 'every one') believeth;" while the last clause makes known why God "gave" His Son (His purpose), and that is, that everyone that believeth "should not perish but have everlasting life." That "the world" in John 3:16 refers to the world of believers (God's elect), in contradistinction from "the world of the ungodly" (2 Pet. 2:5), is established, unequivocally established, by a comparison of the other passages which speak of God's "love." "God commendeth His love toward US"-the saints, Rom. 5:8. "Whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth"-every son, Heb. 12:6. "We love Him, because He first loved US"-believers, I John 4:19. The wicked God "pities" (see Matt. 18:33). Unto the unthankful and evil God is "kind" (see Luke 6:35). The vessels of wrath He endures "with much long-suffering" (see Rom. 9:22). But "His own" God "loves"!!

Tsk tsk A simple comparison of scripture with scripture shows Pink is all wet

God's son was given for the world

compare

John 3:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

with

John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
show any sinner is a part of the world - whuich christ came to save
BTW there is not a single lexicon that supports Pinks definition of Kosmos
examples


4. world(people) — all of the people of the world understood according to the place in which human beings live. Related Topics: People; World.
Jn 1:10 ὁ κόσμος
Jn 3:16 Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν
Jn 8:12 Ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ φῶς τοῦ κόσμου·
Jn 17:6 οὓς ἔδωκάς μοι ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου.
2 Pe 2:5 ἀρχαίου κόσμου οὐκ ἐφείσατο,
Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt, F. Wilbur Gingrich, et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

The world (τον κοσμον [ton kosmon]). The whole cosmos of men, including Gentiles, the whole human race. This universal aspect of God’s love appears also in 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 5:8.

A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 3:16.

even Calvin himself rebuts Pinks claim

John Calvin says: "He has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term world which He formerly used [God so loved the world]; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet He shows Himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when He invites all men without exception [not merely 'without distinction'] to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life."



That whosoever believeth in him may not perish. What a praise of faith, that it delivers us from eternal destruction! Christ means clearly that even though we are born for death, by faith in him we are offered a sure deliverance from it; therefore, we ought not to fear the death which still awaits us. And now he adds a universal call, inviting all men without exception to share in life, and leaving unbelievers without an excuse. The word world, in the previous phrase, has the same significance. Even though there is nothing in the world worthy of God’s favor, he shows himself gracious toward the whole world, and he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing less than entering into Life.1

1 Joseph Haroutunian and Louise Pettibone Smith, Calvin: Commentaries (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1958), 193–194.

And Barnes

The world. All mankind. It does not mean any particular part of the world, but man as man—the race that had rebelled and that deserved to die. See Jn. 6:33; 17:21. His love for the world, or for all mankind, in giving his Son, was shown by these circumstances: 1st. All the world was in ruin, and exposed to the wrath of God. 2d. All men were in a hopeless condition. 3d. God gave his Son. Man had no claim on him; it was a gift—an undeserved gift. 4th. He gave him up to extreme sufferings, even the bitter pains of death on the cross. 5th. It was for all the world. He tasted “death for every man,” He. 2:9. He “died for all,” 2 Co. 5:15. “He is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world,” 1 Jn. 2:2.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 206–207.

You cannot confine that to Israel alone

 

[jeremiah1five]

"The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth." = Psalm 145:18




Know your ABC's of Salvation = Titus 2:11

A - For the grace of God that brings salvation
B - has appeared
C - to all men


Know your ABC's of Salvation = Acts 2:21
A - And it shall come to pass
B - That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
C- Shall be saved.’

The terminology of "call upon the LORD" is terminology that describes worship, and only born-again people can "call upon the LORD" and worship Him and call upon (worship) His in Spirit and Truth.
Unbelievers cannot do that. NO MAN can approach unto God without the anointing of the Holy Spirit and unbelievers (unsaved people) cannot approach unto God let alone "call upon Him" (worship.)
The error occurs when Gentiles try to re-interpret the Hebrew Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation with a Gentile mindset instead of a Jewish mindset which is what and how the Scripture was written, even the Greek New Covenant writings. It may be in Greek, but the writer uses Hebrew/Jewish ideas and concepts.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Tsk tsk A simple comparison of scripture with scripture shows Pink is all wet

God's son was given for the world

compare

John 3:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

with

John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
show any sinner is a part of the world - whuich christ came to save
BTW there is not a single lexicon that supports Pinks definition of Kosmos
examples


4. world(people) — all of the people of the world understood according to the place in which human beings live. Related Topics: People; World.
Jn 1:10 ὁ κόσμος
Jn 3:16 Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν
Jn 8:12 Ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ φῶς τοῦ κόσμου·
Jn 17:6 οὓς ἔδωκάς μοι ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου.
2 Pe 2:5 ἀρχαίου κόσμου οὐκ ἐφείσατο,
Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt, F. Wilbur Gingrich, et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

The world (τον κοσμον [ton kosmon]). The whole cosmos of men, including Gentiles, the whole human race. This universal aspect of God’s love appears also in 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 5:8.

A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 3:16.

even Calvin himself rebuts Pinks claim

John Calvin says: "He has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term world which He formerly used [God so loved the world]; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet He shows Himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when He invites all men without exception [not merely 'without distinction'] to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life."



That whosoever believeth in him may not perish. What a praise of faith, that it delivers us from eternal destruction! Christ means clearly that even though we are born for death, by faith in him we are offered a sure deliverance from it; therefore, we ought not to fear the death which still awaits us. And now he adds a universal call, inviting all men without exception to share in life, and leaving unbelievers without an excuse. The word world, in the previous phrase, has the same significance. Even though there is nothing in the world worthy of God’s favor, he shows himself gracious toward the whole world, and he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing less than entering into Life.1

1 Joseph Haroutunian and Louise Pettibone Smith, Calvin: Commentaries (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1958), 193–194.

And Barnes

The world. All mankind. It does not mean any particular part of the world, but man as man—the race that had rebelled and that deserved to die. See Jn. 6:33; 17:21. His love for the world, or for all mankind, in giving his Son, was shown by these circumstances: 1st. All the world was in ruin, and exposed to the wrath of God. 2d. All men were in a hopeless condition. 3d. God gave his Son. Man had no claim on him; it was a gift—an undeserved gift. 4th. He gave him up to extreme sufferings, even the bitter pains of death on the cross. 5th. It was for all the world. He tasted “death for every man,” He. 2:9. He “died for all,” 2 Co. 5:15. “He is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world,” 1 Jn. 2:2.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 206–207.

You cannot confine that to Israel alone

First of all Jesus was prophesied to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Jesus was sent to Israel, specifically, the lost sheep of the House of Israel.
Jesus came to and for Israel and taught Israel their Law, its meaning and spiritual aspect of the Law.
Jesus died for Israel according to the Scripture and as per covenant with God, specifically, the Mosaic Covenant.
When Jesus returns He comes back to the Mount of Olives (which is in Israel), and He comes at a time when all nations - including so-called Gentile "Christians" - are aligned against Israel and Jesus fights alongside Israel and defeats all the (Gentile) nations and makes them the inheritance of Israel His people as per Psalm 2.

So, we have a covenant between God and the Hebrew people.
We have a Messiah sent by God to redeem Israel His people.
We also have a Messiah that returns to gather Israel His people and make them return back to Israel.
We have Israel His people occupying the Promised Land alone with no Gentiles in their land.
And we have Hebrew Scripture that records all the God has done with Israel His people and will do in the future with Israel His people, and in the end Israel His people shall be saved and be with God forever and ever.
And the Gentiles, or the world? They will be consumed with fire from heaven for coming against Israel as told in Revelation 20.

 

[TomL]

First of all Jesus was prophesied to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Jesus was sent to Israel, specifically, the lost sheep of the House of Israel.
Jesus came to and for Israel and taught Israel their Law, its meaning and spiritual aspect of the Law.
Jesus died for Israel according to the Scripture and as per covenant with God, specifically, the Mosaic Covenant.
When Jesus returns He comes back to the Mount of Olives (which is in Israel), and He comes at a time when all nations - including so-called Gentile "Christians" - are aligned against Israel and Jesus fights alongside Israel and defeats all the (Gentile) nations and makes them the inheritance of Israel His people as per Psalm 2.

So, we have a covenant between God and the Hebrew people.
We have a Messiah sent by God to redeem Israel His people.
We also have a Messiah that returns to gather Israel His people and make them return back to Israel.
We have Israel His people occupying the Promised Land alone with no Gentiles in their land.
And we have Hebrew Scripture that records all the God has done with Israel His people and will do in the future with Israel His people, and in the end Israel His people shall be saved and be with God forever and ever.
And the Gentiles, or the world? They will be consumed with fire from heaven for coming against Israel as told in Revelation 20.

and

John 12:32 (KJV 1900) — 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

it's not all Hebrew men

 

[jeremiah1five]

and

John 12:32 (KJV 1900) — 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

it's not all Hebrew men

Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. He was not sent to Gentiles.
Thus, all His words were to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Therefore, the context of being lifted up (referencing the Old Testament event with Moses and the children of Israel) the "all men" are the children of Israel. He is THEIR Messiah, and it is THEIR covenants, and it is also THEIR culture and history.
You've been fed a great deal of Gentile heresy to the point I wonder of the knowledge of the truth will find its way to you.
But as long as you continue to oppose God and His truth and believe Jesus is a Gentile Messiah you will not understand even the simple things of this "so-great salvation."

 

[synergy]

And the Gentiles, or the world? They will be consumed with fire from heaven for coming against Israel as told in Revelation 20.

So you're saying that Paul's efforts of being "Apostle to the Gentiles" will end up in ethnic cleansing? Looks like your god forgot to copy Paul on his ethnic cleansing memo.

 

[TomL]

Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. He was not sent to Gentiles.
Thus, all His words were to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Therefore, the context of being lifted up (referencing the Old Testament event with Moses and the children of Israel) the "all men" are the children of Israel. He is THEIR Messiah, and it is THEIR covenants, and it is also THEIR culture and history.
You've been fed a great deal of Gentile heresy to the point I wonder of the knowledge of the truth will find its way to you.
But as long as you continue to oppose God and His truth and believe Jesus is a Gentile Messiah you will not understand even the simple things of this "so-great salvation."

Afraid not

Christ's calling and commission shows otherwise

Matthew 28:18–20 (NASB 2020) — 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Galatians 1:11–16 (ESV) — 11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. 13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it. 14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, 16 was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone;

 

[jeremiah1five]

So you're saying that Paul's efforts of being "Apostle to the Gentiles" will end up in ethnic cleansing? Looks like your god forgot to copy Paul on his ethnic cleansing memo.

As a Biblical Christian I take the Scripture as written. The Scripture tells me what to believe, I don't tell Scripture what to say or interpret it to line up with my pet theories. And from what is written I find God made covenant with Abraham and his seed. There is no covenant with Gentiles. And when the dust clears the only people that are left standing are God's Chosen people the "Jews."
If you want to submit a post as to the identity of "the nations, Gog and Magog" in Revelation 20:7, then let's see who these nations are and what becomes of them.

 

[synergy]

As a Biblical Christian I take the Scripture as written. The Scripture tells me what to believe, I don't tell Scripture what to say or interpret it to line up with my pet theories. And from what is written I find God made covenant with Abraham and his seed. There is no covenant with Gentiles. And when the dust clears the only people that are left standing are God's Chosen people the "Jews."

You are definitely a Judaizer Supremacist. You go to the head of the class called Judaizer Supremacy 101.

If you want to submit a post as to the identity of "the nations, Gog and Magog" in Revelation 20:7, then let's see who these nations are and what becomes of them.

First it was Cannanites. Now it's Gog and Magog. Who's it going to be next? The Amish? What have the Amish ever done to you to warrant your ethnic cleansing wrath???

And you want me to do your homework concerning your thoughts on Gog and Magog? You're the one who promotes that view so it's you who needs to do that research.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Afraid not

Christ's calling and commission shows otherwise

Matthew 28:18–20 (NASB 2020) — 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Your error is that you think that Jesus was sent to the lost goats of the house of Gentiles when there is no such thing.
Christ was prophesied to come from among the twelve tribes in Deut. 18:15, 18 ("of your brethren"), and was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Jesus taught the Jews and did not deviate from God's Torah. When the Holy Spirit arrived, He was the fulfillment of the Jeremiah prophecy and other prophecies in Scripture, and Jesus died to save "His people" (Matt. 1:21.) It is THEIR SINS God would remember no more and whose iniquity was atoned. And since the majority of Jews lived in Gentile lands Jesus sent His disciples to them to herald the arrival of Israel's Messiah and that God has kept His prophetic promises to send a Redeemer and Deliverer, and King. The disciples in Matthew 28 were sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel (just as Jesus did in Matthew 10:5), and it was to them that never knew Jesus Christ had come because of the fact that Jesus travelled throughout Israel (Samaria and Judah, etc.), and never went into Assyria or Babylon, or even towards the Orient. A person must first be born again before anyone can make that person a disciple. You can't give that which is holy to dogs (Gentiles/nations), but you can make disciples of Jews living in Gentile nations (areas.)

Galatians 1:11–16 (ESV) — 11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. 13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it. 14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, 16 was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone;

 

[jeremiah1five]

You are definitely a Judaizer Supremacist. You go to the head of the class called Judaizer Supremacy 101.

First it was Cannanites. Now it's Gog and Magog. Who's it going to be next? The Amish? What have the Amish ever done to you to warrant your ethnic cleansing wrath???

And you want me to do your homework concerning your thoughts on Gog and Magog? You're the one who promotes that view so it's you who needs to do that research.

Don't be afraid.

Who are Gog and Magog? Scripture says that it will be the "nations" that live surrounding the Promised Land where Jews alone have received their land finally at last.

 

[synergy]

Don't be afraid.

Of what? Your Judaizer Supremacy? I laugh at that anomaly of yours.

Who are Gog and Magog? Scripture says that it will be the "nations" that live surrounding the Promised Land where Jews alone have received their land finally at last.

You forgot about Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia, etc. .. When will they get your imaginary eviction notice?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Of what? Your Judaizer Supremacy? I laugh at that anomaly of yours.

You forgot about Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia, etc. .. When will they get your imaginary eviction notice?

As soon as King Jesus sits on the throne in Jerusalem. He's going to cleanse the Promised Land of all non-Hebrews (Gentiles) as prophesied in Zechariah and elsewhere.

 

[synergy]

As soon as King Jesus sits on the throne in Jerusalem. He's going to cleanse the Promised Land of all non-Hebrews (Gentiles) as prophesied in Zechariah and elsewhere. Cannanites.

I see Cannanites but where is everyone else? Where are the Egyptians mentioned, for example? Egyptians are never referred to as Cannanites. Face it man. Your Judaizer Supremacist view just crashed and burned.

 

[DavidTree]

The terminology of "call upon the LORD" is terminology that describes worship, and only born-again people can "call upon the LORD" and worship Him and call upon (worship) His in Spirit and Truth.
Unbelievers cannot do that. NO MAN can approach unto God without the anointing of the Holy Spirit and unbelievers (unsaved people) cannot approach unto God let alone "call upon Him" (worship.)
The error occurs when Gentiles try to re-interpret the Hebrew Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation with a Gentile mindset instead of a Jewish mindset which is what and how the Scripture was written, even the Greek New Covenant writings. It may be in Greek, but the writer uses Hebrew/Jewish ideas and concepts.

BEFORE a person is 'Born-Again' the FATHER calls out thru the Holy Spirit to those whom HE chooses = "WHOSEVER"

 

[TomL]

Your error is that you think that Jesus was sent to the lost goats of the house of Gentiles when there is no such thing.
Christ was prophesied to come from among the twelve tribes in Deut. 18:15, 18 ("of your brethren"), and was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Jesus taught the Jews and did not deviate from God's Torah. When the Holy Spirit arrived, He was the fulfillment of the Jeremiah prophecy and other prophecies in Scripture, and Jesus died to save "His people" (Matt. 1:21.) It is THEIR SINS God would remember no more and whose iniquity was atoned. And since the majority of Jews lived in Gentile lands Jesus sent His disciples to them to herald the arrival of Israel's Messiah and that God has kept His prophetic promises to send a Redeemer and Deliverer, and King. The disciples in Matthew 28 were sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel (just as Jesus did in Matthew 10:5), and it was to them that never knew Jesus Christ had come because of the fact that Jesus travelled throughout Israel (Samaria and Judah, etc.), and never went into Assyria or Babylon, or even towards the Orient. A person must first be born again before anyone can make that person a disciple. You can't give that which is holy to dogs (Gentiles/nations), but you can make disciples of Jews living in Gentile nations (areas.)

sorry but you are locked into the past

Christ's calling and commission shows otherwise

Matthew 28:18–20 (NASB 2020) — 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Galatians 1:11–16 (ESV) — 11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. 13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it. 14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, 16 was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone;

The apostles were commisioned by Christ to preach to the nations

Christ specifically called Paul to preach to the gentiles

The calling of the jews was for the purpose of blessing all nations

Galatians 3:8 (ESV) — 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”


Galatians 3:14 (ESV) — 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

1 John 4:14 (ESV) — 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I see Cannanites but where is everyone else? Where are the Egyptians mentioned, for example? Egyptians are never referred to as Cannanites. Face it man. Your Judaizer Supremacist view just crashed and burned.

Egyptians didn't occupy Canaan. Other tribes did. Other non-Hebrew, Gentile tribes lived in Canaan. Joshua was sent to destroy them out of their land but didn't do what God commanded. A future Joshua will.

 

[jeremiah1five]

BEFORE a person is 'Born-Again' the FATHER calls out thru the Holy Spirit to those whom HE chooses = "WHOSEVER"

But God only follows what name He wrote in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world. These are the souls that are predestined to salvation.