So do you see water baptism then for today? and even paul stated to us all scriptures are inspired to us, so why not use all of the NT authors then for theology?
How do the unsaved suffer forever in hell without the Tree of Life?
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The problem is though that the completed canon meant no more revelations came from God, and the only legit prophets and Apostles would be the ones recorded down to us in the Bible
It's very hot and they have no water.
In the Gospel of Luke 16:19-31, Jesus tells the parable of a rich man and a beggar named Lazarus. The rich man lived in luxury, dressed in fine clothes, and feasted every day, while Lazarus, covered in sores, lay at the rich man's gate, longing for scraps from his table. When both men died, Lazarus was carried by angels to Abraham's side, while the rich man found himself in hell, tormented and in agony.
In his torment, the rich man looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus beside him. He cried out, asking Abraham to send Lazarus to dip his finger in water and cool his tongue, for he was in agony in the flames. Abraham responded by reminding the rich man of his life of luxury and Lazarus's suffering, stating that a great chasm had been fixed between them, preventing anyone from crossing over.
Its a guarantee the opposite is truth. Explain to all of us that since God willed his name in his bible over 7000 places. Why your religion refuses to support his will on that important matter, then turn around and condemn the translators who give support to Jesus' Fathers will on that matter as Jesus would and does? In light of Matt 7:21--one best be giving 100% support to Jesus' Father's will on all matters.
God real name is Yahweh
charismaticlady
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You are limiting the gift to Scripture when there is also personal prophecies like the prophecy Agabus gave to Paul, AND what modern prophets do that Peter did on the Day of Pentecost - announce the fulfillment of Joel's ancient prophecy. There is the whole Book of Revelation that has yet to be fulfilled and announced. All the gifts of the Spirit are part of our New Covenant. Some denominations act like they live in a different covenant altogether - one with weaker promises. You need to leave that heretical denomination and give Jesus the credit He deserves and experience the power of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, something most denominationalists have never experienced, and probably never will...even though Jesus said we MUST be born again. What gets born again is our nature. A sin nature to one that partakes of the divine nature of God and is not a slave to sin, but children of God. 1 John 1:9 says we are cleansed of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. You don't believe that making you an unbeliever in what Jesus did on the cross. I bet you believe the heresy that Jesus just paid our punishment, so we can sin, repent, sin, repent etc. in a never ending life of sin with no punishment or even power to not sin in the first place! No longer committing sin is the reason only our past sins were taken away.
4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 ;For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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Victoria
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Below is a list of the different types of baptisms mentioned throughout the Bible.
This is from a previous post I made late last year.
The ones listed in blue are wet. Notice a common theme among them?
The baptism that I believe applies to us today is #14:
1. Noah’s type baptism
Peter mentions that eight people were saved by water in an ark as a type of a future baptism.
Water is present, but the people are dry. (Gen 6:13; 1 Peter 3:20-21)
2. Baptism unto Moses
Paul presents Israel’s baptism unto Moses “in the cloud and in the sea”.
Water is present, but the people are dry. (1 Cor 10:1-2; Exo 14:29)
3. Israel’s ceremonial cleansings
These cleansing rituals were required under the Mosaic Law for the cleansing of the people.
(Num 19:13; Lev 11:25; Exo 19:14; Exo 30:17-21; Heb 9:10)
4. Levitical priesthood baptisms
These washings were required in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses.
(Exo 29:4; Lev 8:6; Num 8:7)
5. Traditional Jewish baptisms
These baptisms were not mandated under the Law but were part of Jewish tradition.
(Mt 15:1-2; Mk 7:1-9; Lk 11:38)
6. John’s baptism
John came to Israel baptizing with water for the remission of sins so that they could enter the promised kingdom
to Israel and identify their Messiah. (Mt 3:5-6; Mk 1:4; Lk 3:3; Jn 1:31; Lk 7:29; Acts 10:37)
7. Jesus’ baptism by John
Jesus, who knew no sin, was baptized by John to fulfill all righteousness under the law.
(Mat 3:13-17; Mk 1:9-10)
8. Baptism with fire
Jesus would baptize the nation with fire as they went through the tribulation.
This trial baptism would damn the unfaithful to hell.
(Isa 4:4; Mal 3:2-3; Mt 3:11; Lk 3:16)
9. Jesus’ baptism unto death
Jesus’ second baptism which he accomplished at the cross where he was identified with the sins of Israel and the world.
(Mt 20:22-23; Mk 10:38-39; Luke 12:50)
10. Pentecostal water baptism
Peter’s presentation of water baptism for the remission of sins in the name of Jesus.
This was John’s baptism plus the name of Jesus.
(Acts 2:38; Mk 16:16; Mt 28:19; Acts 22:16; Eze 36:25)
11. Pentecostal Spirit baptism
This is the baptism with the Holy Spirit by Jesus Christ from heaven poured out upon the believing remnant of Israel
with signs and powers following. (Isa 44:3; Mt 3:11; Mk 1:8; Lk 24:49; Acts 2:17-18, 38; Acts 8:15-17; Acts 11:16)
12. Gentile baptism of Cornelius
Cornelius was baptized with the Holy Spirit as a sign to Peter. Peter subsequently baptizes Cornelius and the
other Spirit-filled Gentiles with water in a different order but for the same reason as Pentecost.
(Acts 10:45-48)
13. Baptism for the dead
This baptism is debated heavily and is most likely synonymous with one of the other baptisms. If this is true,
“for the dead” would signify the circumstance under which those believers were baptized.
(1 Cor 15:29)
14. Baptism into Christ
The only baptism taught by Paul which identifies the believer with Christ, his death, and resurrection.
This baptism is performed by the Spirit and does not include water.
(1 Cor 12:13; Eph 4:5; Col 2:12; Gal 3:27; Rom 6:3-4)
By: Grace Ambassadors (https://graceambassadors.com/)
Verse List: Baptisms in the Bible
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Victoria
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To answer your second question... I've learned to first check who the audience is before I think to apply what's being taught,
doctrine-wise, to myself. If we fail to rightly divide as God instructs, we end up w/ contradictions, which then leads to confusion. This is where religion thrives in their attempts to twist scripture to suite their belief system. I could provide some comparisons if you'd like. Just let me know.
Lord jesus commanded us to water baptize until he came back though in the Great Commission
The Office of Prophet and Apostle are no longer opened, closed when John passed away
charismaticlady
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Many people are going to church but are NOT born again of the Spirit. This is what Paul is saying. Once born again of the Spirit you will realize you no longer have any desire to break God's laws or the deeds of the sin nature/flesh. The only way to truly be born again is to repent and surrender to Jesus completely. Once born again of the Spirit there is no stuggle because there is no sin nature. Jesus creates a new nature that can partake of the divine nature of God.
It is disturbing that you agree with the errors of Lions Mane's post about Romans 7. Only verses 5-6 are about a Christian, NOT 14-25. They actually contradict each other. 5-6 is where we are no longer in the flesh (sin nature) but the Spirit as you will also see in Romans 8:9. That is a Christian. Verse 1 shows Paul talking to those who know the Law (which we are no longer under as does 5-6 also). Those depicted in 14-25 are STILL under the law and STILL in the flesh; therefore are NOT Christians. Paul's use of "I" is the same as John's use of "we" in 1 John. It is an eastern Hebrew writing style which differs from the western Greek style and can easily confuse westerners UNLESS they read in context. For instance, Romans 7:1 is the context - the old law. Lion's Mane did not recognize verses 5-6, the only verses that describe the born again Christian experience when we are not under the law but in the Spirit.
Not struggling with sin is NOT legalism. Legalism is keeping laws in your own strength in opposition to your nature. That is not true of a born again Christian because their new nature is in total compliance to God's righteousness. Jesus makes us righteous by taking away our unrighteous nature.
He's half right, but may have not experienced the removal of the sin nature. Back in 1977 (30 years after going to church and believing I was already saved) I acknowledged the need for Jesus to take over, because I was a slave to my sin, and loved it more than trying and failing over and over to keep God's law. Only then did Jesus answer my prayer and removed the sin in my nature. I literally felt a heaviness lift out of my body, and from then on I was totally free of any and all desire to break God's commandments. My desire was to know more and more of God's word. He also gave me many gifts of the Spirit including hearing God's voice.
He's actually talking about those Jews under the law. Paul quotes one commandment - coveting. It is the only commandment that cannot be seen by others, so instead of appearing totally righteous, Paul spoke of the only hidden sin that makes us totally guilty of breaking God's laws. Once born again of the Spirit, even coveting is a thing of the past. We realize that there is nothing we can take with us to heaven.
We do not have a double nature. Jesus either took away our sin, circumcising us without hands, and throwing away the foreskin. Or we only know about Jesus, but He does not dwell within us. One or the other - not both. It appears to be both to someone who hasn't experienced being born again of the Spirit, but has the knowledge that we must be born again or we are not saved.
charismaticlady
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Just as Paul's writings are for the Jews, Peter's are for us Gentiles. We are both spiritual Israel.
You speak of liberty, but liberty from what? The law, or SIN?
The law showed us the sin in our old man. Not having sin in our nature is the only reason we are not under the law. It is not necessary to be told not to do something we have no desire to do.
charismaticlady
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We are already in the period of falling away. The Laodecian Church age. It started with the false doctrines of the Reformation. "You have a name/reputation that you are alive, but you are dead."
The doctrines that came out of the Reformation are what Lion's Mane and you have swallowed like Kool-Aid.
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