He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[Eternally-Grateful]

Y'all can call it what you want.

For me, MY FAITH is a priviledge.

Not because God bestowed me with Faith but because He made me understand what Faith is and that understanding is a gift
and that gift to me is a priviledge that He allows me to have the necessary Faith.

Say what you will.... it is MPOV

He made you understand the gospel.

You repented and told to TRUST what he showed you.

as apposed to others he tried to show. and did not respond. and remained in unbelief

this is how i see it

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You have a really twisted view of a "work of God". But then, I suppose such twists are necessary for you.

I have a twisted view. Yet I believe God baptized me into him

while you think your pastor baptized you into God.

You remind me of a liberal who sees the truth. but are unable to actually see it..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Perhaps you can give some rational explanation of what @Eternally-Grateful means by "believing is a work of God". I have asked for an explanation of that before, but I have yet to see any.

Jesus said it is the work of God we believe

The gospel and our coming to faith is Gods work in us.. Its not a work of righteousness that we do.

when you have trouble explaining your truth, you see things that are not true

What does God do in you to bring you to faith?

or do you think you did this work yourself?

 

[FreeInChrist]

He made you understand the gospel.

You repented and told to TRUST what he showed you.

as apposed to others he tried to show. and did not respond. and remained in unbelief

this is how i see it

Exactly where free-will comes into play.

It was my choice to believe.

 

[Jim]

He made you understand the gospel.

If God did that for one and not for all, then what does it mean that there is no partiality with God (Rom 2:11)?

 

[Jim]

What does God do in you to bring you to faith?

He provided the Scriptures containing His truth and the natural ability to understand it well enough to believe it and believe in Him.

or do you think you did this work yourself?

What work are you referring to? Did I hear and believe? Yes. Did I go further and study? Yes. See Romans 10.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Exactly where free-will comes into play.

It was my choice to believe.

yes, no argument here

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

If God did that for one and not for all, then what does it mean that there is no partiality with God (Rom 2:11)?

He did it for all

Many just remain in unbelief

that's why no one has an excuse (romans 1)

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

He provided the Scriptures containing His truth and the natural ability to understand it well enough to believe it and believe in Him.

Thats all he did?

What work are you referring to? Did I hear and believe? Yes. Did I go further and study? Yes. See Romans 10.

You did? Then why are you still trusting your water baptism and Not God?

 

[360watt]

Objective truth of the bible or what you think is objective truth of the bible? Who here doesn't think that what they post is not the objective truth of the bible?

If you intended that comment to me based upon my post #1458, then how is that any less a personal attack than what I posted?

Perhaps you can give some rational explanation of what @Eternally-Grateful means by "believing is a work of God". I have asked for an explanation of that before, but I have yet to see any.

It's led by God.. He initiates the prompting on the person's spirit and the person can then believe on Him. Belief is a change of mind,heart led by Him.

 

[Jim]

Thats all he did?

You did? Then why are you still trusting your water baptism and Not God?

Why are you not believing what God said about water baptism?

 

[Jim]

It's led by God.. He initiates the prompting on the person's spirit and the person can then believe on Him. Belief is a change of mind,heart led by Him.

I don't believe that at all.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Why are you not believing what God said about water baptism?

I do believe what he said. not only about water baptism, but all baptism..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I don't believe that at all.

thats why you do not believe in the gospel.. its all about you

 

[Jim]

thats why you do not believe in the gospel.. its all about you

Nah. You have your own gospel, not the gospel presented in the NT. Not the gospel that the Ethiopian eunuch believed and Philip acknowledged (Acts 9).

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Nah. You have your own gospel, not the gospel presented in the NT. Not the gospel that the Ethiopian eunuch believed and Philip acknowledged (Acts 9).

Nah, I believe the gospel Jesus taught. all through the book of John.

But hey, again, keep boasting, don't let me stop you