He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[Jim]

the ability to have faith is offered to everyone.

Not everyone choses to recieve it.

But as many as have recieved him to THEM he gave the right to become Gods children (no baptism in water included)

It is not a gift. That you think it is tells me you don't even know what it is.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Act 22:10 And I said, 'What shall I do, Lord?' And the Lord said to me, 'Rise, and go into Damascus, and there you will be told all that is appointed for you to do.' And since I could not see because of the brightness of that light, I was led by the hand by those who were with me, and came into Damascus. "And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, well spoken of by all the Jews who lived there, came to me, and standing by me said to me, 'Brother Saul, receive your sight.' And at that very hour I received my sight and saw him. And he said, 'The God of our fathers appointed you to know his will, to see the Righteous One and to hear a voice from his mouth; for you will be a witness for him to everyone of what you have seen and heard. And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.'

Rom 6:3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

1Co 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

Gal 3:26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,

Col 2:11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

Tit 3:4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,


And that was just what Paul said about baptism.

You do realise that non oif these verses peak of water baptism do you not?

I was baptized into christ and his death (rom 60 I was baptized into his body (1 cor) and I was baptized into christ (gal 5) the moment I trusted in christ and called out for him to save me. God baptized me into these things

I was baptized in water a year later. My pastor did this

Again, you totally reject the verses I gave an are totally unable to show the word baptism.

so you hurt your own theology and belief in doing this, You will never convince anyone that way

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Was that necessary? Do you really think that you would be saved had you not repented?

he would have never came to faith. so how could be be saved?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

It says absolutely nothing about he who is not baptized. Why should it say anything about one who does not believe other than the fact that he shall be damned.

Moreover, it does not say that he that believes but is not baptized shall be saved.

yeah, I mean such a dire warning God just left out so people will go to hell because they did nto know they must be baptized.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

It is not a gift. That you think it is tells me you don't even know what it is.

lol..You really have nothing do you?

It is the work of God we believe.. Jesus own words.

Jesus, who is willing that non should perish, but all come to life.

this shows that the offer of salvation is offered to all.

Again, You want to boast of your baptism. feel free. don't let me stop yo9u

I will boast in Christ. who saved me

 

[Jim]

You do realise that non oif these verses peak of water baptism do you not?

I fully understand all of those verses speak of water baptism.

 

[Jim]

lol..You really have nothing do you?

It is the work of God we believe.. Jesus own words.

lol. You really have nothing do you?

What do you think it means that our believing in God is doing a work of God?

 

[Jim]

this shows that the offer of salvation is offered to all.

How can that be if the gift of faith is not given to all?

 

[Dizerner]

Water baptism is an outward sign of an inward faith.

 

[Jim]

Water baptism is an outward sign of an inward faith.

Where does it say that?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I fully understand all of those verses speak of water baptism.

Then you are in deep error

I was Baptized (immerseds) into his death, (rom 6)

It does not say I was baptized into water.

You have been taught wrong

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

lol. You really have nothing do you?

What do you think it means that our believing in God is doing a work of God?

Because it is God who brings us to faith in giving us ther ability and the knowledge to make a choice.

You think you did that on your own? Is that why you teach a works based gospel? its all about you?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

How can that be if the gift of faith is not given to all?

The gift is OFFERED TO ALL

You seem to have a hard time with comprehension.

Maybe look up the word offer.

or do you want to follow calvinism and think God forced people to believe, and forced people to not believe?

you can not have it both ways

 

[FreeInChrist]

Was that necessary? Do you really think that you would be saved had you not repented?

NO

 

[FreeInChrist]

It says absolutely nothing about he who is not baptized. Why should it say anything about one who does not believe other than the fact that he shall be damned.

Moreover, it does not say that he that believes but is not baptized shall be saved.

Well, you have your beliefs about salvation and baptism. I have mine.

 

[Jim]

Well, you have your beliefs about salvation and baptism. I have mine.

Isn't that one of the reasons that either of us bother to post here?

Do you really think that if someone refuses to be baptized that they will be saved anyway?

 

[Dizerner]

Where does it say that?

The response of a good conscience.

Consider this, if a person just says all the right words and dunks, but does not believe at all, does that save them?

They also must have proper attitudes underneath—it is the faith that saves, not the external rituals.

You have gone over to legalism in your views, replacing the inward with the outward.

The Israelites were baptized in the Cloud before they were baptized in the Sea.

You only had to look upon the snake on the pole to be saved.

 

[Jim]

The response of a good conscience.

Consider this, if a person just says all the right words and dunks, but does not believe at all, does that save them?

Why would anyone think that?

They also must have proper attitudes underneath—it is the faith that saves, not the external rituals.

It is God who saves - period. The question is rather whom God saves.

You have gone over to legalism in your views, replacing the inward with the outward.

No, I have not. You have simply ignored some of what God says claiming what he says must be legalism.

The Israelites were baptized in the Cloud before they were baptized in the Sea.

OK.

You only had to look upon the snake on the pole to be saved.

That was not salvation unto eternal life.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Why would anyone think that?

have you ever read james 2?

It is God who saves - period. The question is rather whom God saves.

Yes it is God who saves

No, I have not. You have simply ignored some of what God says claiming what he says must be legalism.

OK.

That was not salvation unto eternal life.

If your doing a work of righteousness in order to get saved.

by definition that is legalism

 

[Jim]

have you ever read james 2?

Yes, have you?

If your doing a work of righteousness in order to get saved.

by definition that is legalism

Who says being baptized is a work of righteousness in order to get saved? You? The Bible certainly makes no such claim.