He that believes and is not water baptised is saved
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No I have not. And if what follows is an example of his writing, I will not bother. He does a very poor job of explaining baptism. Clearly that is because he doesn't really understand it at all. It is easy enough to refute all that you posted there from his writings.
Of course. God formed a dead spirit in you. What ignorance. One more who claims it is all God's fault.
"so death spread to all men because all sinned-- "
Sorry @Eternally-Grateful, it was not because God gave you a dead spirit, it was because you sinned. It was because you chose to disobey God. It was you, not God. who screwed up.
Eternally-Grateful
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Where did Adam get the power to cause that? Answer - He had no such power. It didn't happen. Thinking it did could only come from someone who holds the perverse view that God would even let such a thing happen, let alone cause it to happen.
In Adam, i.e., being human, all die physically (1 Cor 15:22), the only place the phrase "in Adam" appears in the Bible.
I have never made such a statement. But you probably knew that and lied about it anyway.
Eternally-Grateful
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Good God man
In Adam all die
when he sinned. As the head of the human race. all mankind fell with him.
Thats why we have to be under Christ. if we want to be saved.
No. Physical death is not in context here.. We need born again because we were dead.
If Physical death was in context here. anyone who died physically would be put into christ.
But the God you describe is not good!!!!
If that happened, and it didn't, who would have caused ti?
I Corinthians 15:22 is most definitely about physical death of everyone and the resurrection of everyone at the end of the age.
The entire passage of 1 Corinthians 15:12-34 is about the resurrection of all humanity at the end of the age.
Nonsense. Everyone will be resurrected, but only some will have been "in Christ" when they died phsyically.
Eternally-Grateful
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He is not? The God who died for every man, whether they will in the end be saved or not. because thei either believed him or did not believe him. is not Good?
Your God is not Good
It did Happen. Every child who is born is born with Adam's nature. Cain and Abel are prefect examples of this.. If you hgave ever had children, and seen how rebellious a baby is from the womb, you would see this also
Dude, You were dead. and you must be born again
But I understand. You seem to think you must earn your way to heaven. so you totally misunderstand the gospel period.
Its all about you. Nothing about God
@FreeInChrist, Tony Warren makes a number of very fundamental errors. One very destructive error is that he fails to distinguish between the work of the Holy Spirit indwelling every NT saint and the work of the Holy Spirit empowering a few selected individuals to do signs, wonders and miracles.
All of that absolutely nonsense results from your adherence to the abject heresy of the false doctrine of Original Sin.
Eternally-Grateful
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its ok
Your heresy of works based salvation has you trying to merit your salvation.
so you are totally unable to see any real truth from the bible.
I suggest you repent first. and recieve Christ as your savior based on his work. not yours..
then maybe like the rest of us. you can understand some spiritual truth
FreeInChrist
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Here is a little clue.
whether or not it did happen is subject to the believers understanding.
Whether or not it did happen would have been part of God's plan from before time.
Certainly we all experienced a spiritual death. NO doubt about it. IMO
From Adam? Who was the number one who defied God?
God made him and set thing rolling. TOO casual a statement for you? Too irreverent? It is not meant to be and my heavenly Father knows that. Sometimes one has to take it down a few notches for others to understand.
Why does this matter? " all die physically (1 Cor 15:22), the only place the phrase "in Adam" appears in the Bible."
I am not disputing this, but why should it matter that Paul said "in Adam"?
FreeInChrist
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Well, let just chalk him up to someone else with a differing view on baptism. At least he backs up each
statement with scripture. (Not saying you don't) .... but you bring up an interesting point about the Holy Spirit and I shall do a little investigating search on his views... FOR ME... cause no one here will care and you certainty won't.
It is just that I will not limit mysself to any single source. Not from a minister, and certainly not from my own beliefs that have formed over the years from study and guidance.
If you only knew and understood what Paul was talking about when he spoke against a works-based salvation; alas, you do not.
No that is not true. The truth of God's word is not subject to the believer's understanding.
But it is very important to understand the cause of a spiritual death. There is a large portion of Christendom that does not understand that. That lack of understanding has caused considerable deviance from gospel truth.
Because it is important to understand what is meant by the phrase "in Adam". I find too many who assert that the bible says that in Adam all have sinned and mean by it that all have sinned because of Adam. That is simply not true.
Too many also assert that the statement in 1 Corinthians 15:22 means that we die because Adam sinned. That is simply not true either.
Eternally-Grateful
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No, you do not.
I have never said, written or even thought such a thing. You do like to make things up.
Eternally-Grateful
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You really need to stop lying. It is truly disgusting. Shame on you. It makes you a very ugly individual.
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