brightfame52
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Show me a scripture that specifically says Christ died for All mankind or for every human being specifically
Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” with a dollop of "free will".
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Rory Wilson
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Why, since your claim is that the bible is unreliable.
brightfame52
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I already know no such scripture exists
FreeInChrist
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@brightfame52 .... Put on your glasses or contacts and grab your magnifying glass because it is right here in front of your very own eyeballs.
You deny this?
KJV
2 Cor 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
and this
Romans 5:6-8
For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. / Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. / But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
and especially this in full..... bearing in mind
- “All” (Greek pántōn) is universal and unqualified.
2 Corinthians 5:14-15 - Bible verse - DailyVerses.net
For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.2 Cor 5:14-15 Interlinear
hē gar agapē tou Christou synechei hēmas krinantas touto hoti heis hyper
14 ἡ γὰρ ἀγάπη τοῦ Χριστοῦ συνέχει ἡμᾶς , κρίναντας τοῦτο , ὅτι εἷς ὑπὲρ
The for love - of Christ compels us having concluded this that One for
pantōn apethanen ara hoi pantes apethanon
πάντων ἀπέθανεν , ἄρα οἱ πάντες ἀπέθανον .
all has died therefore - all have died
kai hyper pantōn apethanen hina hoi zōntes mēketi heautois
15 καὶ ὑπὲρ πάντων ἀπέθανεν , ἵνα οἱ ζῶντες , μηκέτι ἑαυτοῖς
And for all He died that those living no longer to themselves
zōsin alla tō hyper autōn apothanonti kai egerthenti
ζῶσιν , ἀλλὰ τῷ ὑπὲρ αὐτῶν ἀποθανόντι καὶ ἐγερθέντι .
should live but to the [One] for them having died and having been raised again
Jesus died for all. To deny this is to deny the very word of God in the language that Jesus spoke.
brightfame52
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You need glasses there is never been a scripture that says Christ died for All mankind specifically. He died for all whom He draws to himself, and we know that's not all mankind
2 Corinthians 5:15, which states, "He died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again"
15 And He died for all, so that all those who live might live no longer to and for themselves, but to and for Him Who died and was raised again for their sake.
15 And He died for all, so that all those who live might live no longer to and for themselves, but to and for Him Who died and was raised again for their sake.
brightfame52
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That all that He died for in this passage, it results in them living unto him who died with them.
Salty
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But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.
Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
James 4:6
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
Hebrews 4:16
Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.
1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
John 1:16
And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.
Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Titus 2:11–14
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.
Romans 3:24
And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
2 Timothy 2:1
You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Isaiah 40:31
But they who wait for the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles; they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk and not faint.
2 Timothy 1:9
Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began.
John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.
Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
James 4:6
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
Hebrews 4:16
Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.
1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
John 1:16
And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.
Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Titus 2:11–14
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.
Romans 3:24
And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
2 Timothy 2:1
You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Isaiah 40:31
But they who wait for the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles; they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk and not faint.
2 Timothy 1:9
Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began.
John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.
FreeInChrist
Active Member
I gave it to you.
You refuse to read it.
You are afraid to read it
From the Greek Interlinear above where we are all told "
- “All” (Greek pántōn) is universal and unqualified.
WAIT... YOU DO NOT HAVE TO READ IT... JUST MATCH IT UP WITH THE DEFINITION.
2 Cor 5:
hē gar agapē tou Christou synechei hēmas krinantas touto hoti heis hyper
14 ἡ γὰρ ἀγάπη τοῦ Χριστοῦ συνέχει ἡμᾶς , κρίναντας τοῦτο , ὅτι εἷς ὑπὲρ
The for love - of Christ compels us having concluded this that One for
pantōn apethanen ara hoi pantes apethanon
πάντων ἀπέθανεν , ἄρα οἱ πάντες ἀπέθανον .
all has died therefore - all have died
Compels us having concluded this that One (Christ) for all has died.
NWT
. 14 For the love the Christ has compels us, because this is what we have concluded, that one man died for all;+ so, then, all had died. 15 And he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves,+ but for him who died for them and was raised up
Even the NWT has that "so that".... which has the stipulation " who live should live no longer for themselves,+ but for him who died"
But dont you worry... I am tired of
and will turn this convo over to someone who is far smarter then I am and hopefully to a rabbi, priest, ordained minister, or Pope who may have a magic touch to get you to understand.In the meantime... once again I will see if the Holy Spirit will allow me to put you on ignore, since He blocked it the last time I tried many days ago.
brightfame52
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You just think you have you been mislead
This is getting old time to move on to something more uplifting.
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FreeInChrist
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Understood.
