Does the Bible Teach A Spiritual Israel?

[armylngst]

Surely you know Salem was the city of Jerusalem as it stood in the time of Abraham. Do you not. Have you ever read about Salem being referenced in the books of Psalm?

No of course not. That is why I believe that it is incredible that Jesus is both Messiah king of Jerusalem/Israel, AND a high priest in the line of Melchizedek. That can't make any sense if the throne in Jerusalem is both the seat of David and Melchizedek. That's nonsense. (And that was sarcasm.) I understand you haven't seen all comments I have made, so I leave it at elbow to the ribs sarcasm. Except I forget you don't believe Jesus is king. So now I have to rethink it all, since Jesus is not authorized to sit in David's seat. Only a king can.

Psa 76:2 In Salem also is his tabernacle, and his dwelling place in Zion.
Psa 76:2 He lives in Salem; he dwells in Zion.

Heb 13:12 So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood.
Heb 13:13 Therefore let us go to him outside the camp and bear the reproach he endured.
Heb 13:14 For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come.

Do you know the cultural reason why Jesus was sacrificed there? I don't remember, but it is in the book I am reading. Also, why the triumphal entry is so special. The day of the triumphal entry is also the day that the sacrificial lamb is set aside in order to inspect and ensure there is no blemish.

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

You either need to embrace the eternal kingdom of Christ or you're going to be in very big trouble.

But you just told me Jesus isn't king. If He isn't a king, then He doesn't have a kingdom, eternal or otherwise. Consider that the word used for the kingdom is everlasting, and the interpretation is "age-during". So it actually can be the millennial kingdom that those dispensationalists keep talking about.

Jesus said otherwise. In fact, Jesus told his own people JEWS.... to do otherwise.

Luk 12:21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

My bet? I bet you've forgotten who to listen to. Whatever "Rabbi/Rabbit" you're following...

Walk away.

There is a temporal existence. We are not eternal, but temporal. Our life here on Earth is temporal. Jesus was teaching the Jews to not get so stuck up in the temporal as to disregard the eternal. Paul said that we are not to be of the world, but that we cannot separate ourselves from the world so as to no longer be on the planet. We still have to live here. The Bible is written in a temporal way, because that is what we understand. We can view the eternal, but we cannot truly understand it. No common shared experience.

Jesus death was temporal in that it occurred here on Earth, at a specific time and place as God Himself planned. Jesus death was eternal, in that it's effect was not temporal. It saved everyone from the foundation of the world (just using flowing poetic language) until the end of the world from that one moment in time. The death of a man cannot do that. A man can't even die for their own sin, much less the sins of the world for ALL TIME. We live in time. We are living out whatever God determined/planned from the beginning, one minute at a time. We fast forward by ignoring the world around us, or by sleeping...

As for who I have been reading. Dr. Fruchtenbaum. He wrote a four volume set on a Jewish view of Yeshua Messiah and the four gospels. It is very eye opening. I don't agree with everything, but when he talks from the Jewish perspective, everything that used to be head scratching (why would they do that?) becomes very clear. The Jews were not at all clueless about Jesus. The religious leaders had a list of miracles that they said only the Messiah could accomplish. The religious leaders could heal people (to a point), could cast out demons (to a point), etc. Kind of like how the Egyptians during Moses time were able to copy some of the miracles Aaron did. God worked through the religious leaders for the people of Israel. One of these "Messianic miracles" was the casting out of a mute/dumb demon. Not even the disciples, after having received power from Jesus, was able to do that. That type of demon is the kind that had them go to Jesus and say that they tried everything, but could not cast it out. Jesus cast it out immediately, and then told them that that kind could only come out with prayer and fasting. Why? It was a mute/dumb demon. The way that the religious leaders and others cast out demons is by asking for the demons name. Once they had the name, they had control. However, a mute/dumb demon can't give up its name.

This kind of miracle is also the exact miracle Jesus did before the religious leaders comitted the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. So they KNEW it was a Messianic miracle, but they still said that Jesus did it by the power of Beezelbub, who they knew as the lord of the demons. They rejected the Messiah, by rejecting all the Messianic miracles to include this one, and blasphemed the Holy Spirit. This was a national sin, not an individual sin. Its judgment was AD 70. "That generation" that sinned that sin, was judged for it. There is a lot more to it.

 

[armylngst]

No true at all. All God used was the seed of a virgin. Remember?

Oh yes, there was no genealogy listed so that anyone can see that the line was through David. Not to mention that this virgin had a reason to be alive, such as having a family tree/lineage.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

I wonder why the father was named "Joseph"...... Pay attention. Messiah Ben Joseph.

That's usually because that is something the mommy and daddy do, and Joseph was a common name. So was John and James apparently.

Amazing. AMAZING. This fairytale is necessary but you deny the necessity of Mary? It is just "how God decided it would happen".....

Yes, and obviously God decided not to use Mary, which is why He used Mary. It could have been ANY young woman/virgin. Are you going to deny that God chose to send Jesus through a virgin that could have been any virgin? I mean, I believe He determined it would be Mary before He got ready to say "Let there be light", but that's me.

Contrast this between what you just said about sinful men being a necessity? What planet are you from? What realty are you from?

I'm just saying that it is God who set it up. He promised David that Jesus would be of His line. If Jesus was not of David's line, then we are waiting for someone else. It's that simple.

Your choices are clear. It is obvious what you prefer. You prefer whoremonging men to a virgin.

Wait? Mary wasn't actually a virgin? Then we are looking for another... BTW, as a subject matter expert, I can tell you that Mary wasn't a whore.

I never said such. Christ does have a Bride. That is all that matters. These people you prefer to exalt above Jesus Christ are part of the Bride of Christ.

I don't exalt any men over Jesus Christ, not even Chuck Norris. The reason David and them were necessary is because God did a Thus saith the Lord, and God doesn't lie. So please, don't make God a liar. Besides, being of the line of David is a necessary part of the story of the world. Jesus will be Messiah king over the Messianic Kingdom once the times of the Gentiles has come to an end, considering it is Jesus' second coming that brings the times of the Gentiles to a shattering close. (You know, that rock shatters the entire statue in Daniel 2.) Now, since Jesus isn't king according to you, we just need to figure out who the king will be.