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● 2Tim 2:2 . . And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many
witnesses, entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others.
Paul's instructions were given to Timothy "in the presence of many witnesses"
indicating that his instructions were never intended to be privileged information for
the eyes-only of an elite category of super saints. The things he taught were
transferred publicly rather than deep inside a secret chamber whose access was
restricted to an elite clique of insiders.
I also suspect that Paul sand-bagged Timothy. By instructing him in the hearing of
witnesses, Timothy could never fall back on the tiresome old excuse of saying "I
didn't know I was supposed to do that." Well, witnesses would certainly testify that
he did know what he was supposed to do because they themselves heard Paul
instruct him with their own ears.
It's a wise church that fully understands a pastor's duties and responsibilities just in
case a time comes when they need to hold his feet to the fire; especially a
complacent pastor or one that's gotten mixed up in political activism and civil
disobedience. If a church doesn't know what a pastor's sacred obligations are, then
there's no way they can know whether or not they're getting their money's worth.
In my opinion, an ignorant church is a private pond stocked with hatchery fish.
Paul's instructions in this matter were also a practical consideration as nobody
abides forever on this earthen globe. Pastors die; that's just a fact of life. And they
also get diseases like dementia, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's. It's a wise pastor
busy training his replacements so that all his knowledge and experience isn't lost to
future church generations. Abraham was commended for this very thing.
Gen 18:18-20 . . For I have chosen Abraham, in order that he may command his
children and his household after him to keep the way of The Lord.
A good example of the result of neglecting to train reliable men in "all the things
you have heard me say" is the church of Laodicea described in Rev 3:14-20.
According to Col 2:1-2 and Col 4:13-16; the Laodicean Christians were at one time
solid believers. But between the time of Paul's writing his letter to the Colossians,
and John writing the 3rd chapter of Revelation, the congregation meeting in
Nymphas' home somehow went dark. It was still Christian in name, yes; but it no
longer followed Christ's instructions.
The Laodicean church had all the trappings of a Christian church; except for one
salient feature: the Christ of Christianity wasn't even a member let alone the
captain of its industry. It was literally a christless church. He's depicted outside the
building banging on the door trying to get somebody's attention to let him in.
John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; and my Father will
love him, and we will come to him, and make our abode with him. He who does not
love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine, but the
Father's who sent me.
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● 2Tim 2:2 . . And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many
witnesses, entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others.
Paul's instructions were given to Timothy "in the presence of many witnesses"
indicating that his instructions were never intended to be privileged information for
the eyes-only of an elite category of super saints. The things he taught were
transferred publicly rather than deep inside a secret chamber whose access was
restricted to an elite clique of insiders.
I also suspect that Paul sand-bagged Timothy. By instructing him in the hearing of
witnesses, Timothy could never fall back on the tiresome old excuse of saying "I
didn't know I was supposed to do that." Well, witnesses would certainly testify that
he did know what he was supposed to do because they themselves heard Paul
instruct him with their own ears.
It's a wise church that fully understands a pastor's duties and responsibilities just in
case a time comes when they need to hold his feet to the fire; especially a
complacent pastor or one that's gotten mixed up in political activism and civil
disobedience. If a church doesn't know what a pastor's sacred obligations are, then
there's no way they can know whether or not they're getting their money's worth.
In my opinion, an ignorant church is a private pond stocked with hatchery fish.
Paul's instructions in this matter were also a practical consideration as nobody
abides forever on this earthen globe. Pastors die; that's just a fact of life. And they
also get diseases like dementia, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's. It's a wise pastor
busy training his replacements so that all his knowledge and experience isn't lost to
future church generations. Abraham was commended for this very thing.
Gen 18:18-20 . . For I have chosen Abraham, in order that he may command his
children and his household after him to keep the way of The Lord.
A good example of the result of neglecting to train reliable men in "all the things
you have heard me say" is the church of Laodicea described in Rev 3:14-20.
According to Col 2:1-2 and Col 4:13-16; the Laodicean Christians were at one time
solid believers. But between the time of Paul's writing his letter to the Colossians,
and John writing the 3rd chapter of Revelation, the congregation meeting in
Nymphas' home somehow went dark. It was still Christian in name, yes; but it no
longer followed Christ's instructions.
The Laodicean church had all the trappings of a Christian church; except for one
salient feature: the Christ of Christianity wasn't even a member let alone the
captain of its industry. It was literally a christless church. He's depicted outside the
building banging on the door trying to get somebody's attention to let him in.
John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; and my Father will
love him, and we will come to him, and make our abode with him. He who does not
love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine, but the
Father's who sent me.
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