Can you evict God from living within you?
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Yahava moves into people due to faith.
Luke 24:49 New Living Translation (NLT)“And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.”
People can have Yahava move out of them, by making up their mind, and saying I do not desire you God, or your Son, restorting into faithlessness.
It all happens by the deceitfulness of sin.
“But encourage one another every day, as long as it is still called “today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we keep the beginning of our commitment firm until the end,”
Hebrews 3:13-14 NASB2020
People make the choice to either remain faithful, or become faithless and focus on something else to save them other than the Lord Jesus Christ.
“Take care, brothers and sisters, that there will not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. But encourage one another every day, as long as it is still called “today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we keep the beginning of our commitment firm until the end, while it is said, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.””
Hebrews 3:12-15 NASB2020
Luke 24:49 New Living Translation (NLT)“And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.”
People can have Yahava move out of them, by making up their mind, and saying I do not desire you God, or your Son, restorting into faithlessness.
It all happens by the deceitfulness of sin.
“But encourage one another every day, as long as it is still called “today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we keep the beginning of our commitment firm until the end,”
Hebrews 3:13-14 NASB2020
People make the choice to either remain faithful, or become faithless and focus on something else to save them other than the Lord Jesus Christ.
“Take care, brothers and sisters, that there will not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. But encourage one another every day, as long as it is still called “today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we keep the beginning of our commitment firm until the end, while it is said, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.””
Hebrews 3:12-15 NASB2020
I am taking your question seriously. It is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of your own doing. (Eph.2:8) If we didn't put/allow God to live within us in the first place, how can we do anything to remove him?
Do you think it was your idea that the Spirit should dwell within the believer or was that a part of God's plan in salvation? The question is rhetorical really as we all know it is God who saves, not us and it was He who planned the way it would be done.
I didn't see your post #22 when I originally answered.
Where does it say in the Hebrews passage you quote that the Spirit removes Himself from the believer because he/she is deceived? You can grieve the Spirit and you can quench the Spirit but only because He does in fact remain even when a person is not following according to the will of God. The indwelling Spirit is the seal placed upon us guaranteeing we will be in the Resurrection unto life. He is God's deposit and you only pay a deposit once.
2 Corinthians 1:22
set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Ephesians 1:13
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Already answered that, by grace through faith (Eph.2:8) which comes from the word (Rom.10:17). This is why Paul would say it is not of our own doing.
I cant expect people to understand, there are 8 billion people in the world, SD.
If you decide to stop having faith, and say I dont need you or your son God, and look towards something else to save you, is that not evicting God out of your life?
God will not force his stay on a willingly heart that desires him to be gone…
You can reinvite him back in sure; however you and others have suggested no you cannot.
I disagree with them, and i disagree with you too, on these things.
Johann
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Johann
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Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Indwelling
For believers, the Holy Spirit indwells us at conversion. It is from this ministry that many of his other ministries flow. Jesus mentioned the Spirit’s indwelling to his disciples before his death and resurrection. In John 14:17, Christ said, “the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, because it does not see him or know him. But you know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.”
From Christ’s words, it is clear the Spirit was already with the disciples but would be with them in a different way after his death, resurrection, and ascension. Likewise, in John 16:7, Christ said, “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I am going away. For if I do not go away, the Advocate will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you.”
Johann
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No, God will not force His way into anyone--
1. BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT UNIVERSAL AMONG CHRISTIANS.
One of the prevailing misconceptions of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the notion that it is a special ministration enjoyed by only a few Christians. On the contrary, the Scriptures make it plain that every Christian is baptized by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.
Salvation and baptism are therefore coextensive, and it is impossible to be saved without this work of the Holy Spirit. This is expressly stated in the central passage on the doctrine, “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”
It is evident from this passage that all Christians are baptized by the Holy Spirit, and that all who enter the number of the body of Christ do so because they are baptized by the Spirit. It may be noted that this passage is found in an epistle addressed to a church which is guilty of gross sins, of factions, and defection from the faith. Yet they are reminded that they are baptized by the Spirit.
This work of the Spirit is not directed toward those who are free from guilt, nor is it held high as an objective or height to reach.
It is rather stated to be the universal work of the Spirit in every believer. often mentioned (Acts 2:47; 1 Cor 6:15; 12:12-14; Eph 2:16; 4:4, 5, 16; 5:30-32; Col 1:24; 2:19). Christ is revealed as Head of His body (1 Cor 11:3; Eph 1:22, 23; 5:23, 24; Col 1:18). The work of Christ nurturing His body is mentioned in at least three passages (Eph 5:29; Phil 4:13; Col 2:19). The sanctification of the body of Christ is revealed in Ephesians 5:25-27, and indirectly is inferred in many other passages. Extended Scriptures are also found on the doctrine of the gifts of Christ to His body (Rom 12:3-8; 1 Cor 12:27, 28; Eph 4:7-16). The doctrine of the Church as the body of Christ is a major doctrine of the New Testament.
The work of baptism assures the unity of the various members of the body. Without regard as to race or culture, all true believers are united in a living union in the body of Christ. Frequent mention is made of this fact in Scripture, and its basis is the baptism of the Spirit. The union effected, however, is not one in which individuals are lost in the mass. It is rather a sovereign assignment of God, in which every believer is given his distinct place in the body of Christ. Every believer is essential to the harmony and perfection of the whole. The body is “fitly joined together” (Eph 4:16). An understanding of the basic doctrine of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is necessary, then, to comprehending not only the origin of the Church, but also its working and sovereign arrangement.
3. BAPTISM INTO CHRIST.
Intimately connected with the fact that baptism by the Spirit brings the believer into the body of Christ is the inseparable truth that baptism also places the believer in Christ Himself. This truth was anticipated by Christ when He pronounced the words, “At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you” (John 14:20). The “ye in me” relationship was accomplished through the baptism of the Spirit. The importance of this position and the extent of its implications can hardly be overemphasized.
Before salvation, the individual was in Adam, partaking of Adam’s nature, sin, and destiny. In salvation, the believer is removed from his position in Adam, and he is placed in Christ. All the details of his salvation spring from this new position. His justification, sanctification, deliverance, access to God, inheritance, and glorification are actual and possible because of the believer’s position in Christ. Failure to recognize the importance and significance of this doctrine has issued in many false teachings and has denied to many Christians the joy of their salvation.
Baptism into Christ is primarily identification.
The believer is identified with Christ in His righteousness, His death, His resurrection, and His glorification. The much disputed passage of Romans 6:1-4, if approached with these doctrines in mind, becomes a plain declaration of the identification of the believer with Christ in His supreme work of death and resurrection: “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life” (Rom 6:3-4). Before water baptism could be administered to converts, the glorious reality of identification with Christ was already a fact, made real the moment of saving faith. Having been joined to Christ by the baptism of the Spirit, the believer is identified with the work of Christ on the cross and His triumph in resurrection. Water baptism is the symbol of the baptism of the Spirit which effected the identification, but it is not the portrayal of the result of this identification, nor of the process of salvation. It is a sad reflection on the church’s spiritual discernment to observe the historic emphasis upon the sacrament without the recognition of the baptism of the Holy Spirit which it should represent. In human hands the sacrament has become a divisive force in the church instead of the portrayal of the unity of the body of Christ and its identification with Christ. How important and how precious is the truth that the believer is in Christ Himself with all that this position entails.
Like you brother-I don't claim to know all the answers to life's questions
J.
I don't understand how you can say yes to us being able to evict the Holy Spirit when you quote the scripture that speaks of Him as being our seal of God's promise unto eternal life?
Are you stronger than God that you can break His seal? Are God's promises thwarted because of our infidelity?
2 Timothy 2:13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
He has given us to His Son and it is not a decision He takes lightly, nor does the Son for He promises to never lose those who He has been given.
John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
God knows who is fair dinkum when they say they believe in the Gospel and who is not. It is not our place to judge based on behaviour we may find unacceptable.
God will not withdraw from those He has taken to be His own. We either learn to live up to the high calling we have in Christ and reap the blessings of God or we squander our riches and live, at best, mediocre lives or at worst, miserable lives dying the sin unto death.
Overjoyed
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Exactly. Would you let your kid jump out the window of your car while you're on the freeway? I don't think so. Jesus knows how to take care of the ones his father has giving him nothing can snatch them out of his hand.
You are perfectly free to do so but it will not alter the truth no matter how much you might believe it. Faith is not manufactured by our willingness to believe but comes from the word. This is why Paul says faith is a gift. If you have faith (maybe you do, maybe you don't) it is because the word is working in you and if the word of the Gospel is in you, you are saved.
Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
Amen, hearing does come by faith, without someone sharing about the new things that come with following God, and perhaps topics that are good and edifying for those who are willing to recieve it and hold on to faith and look towards God and continue to love him, and love others, that is an amazing life changing experience where a person comes from being spiritually death in unbelief, into believing becoming spiritually alive in and through Christ, That is amazing, and you are right, it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, to the Jew first, and also for the Greek. Thank you sawdust for sharing that with me, I have not seen those verses in a while.
I believe you. You are very much a God fearing man my friend. Nice rambo picture, I seen him on the movie flicks.
101G
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1 Corinthians 6:19 "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" 1 Corinthians 6:20 "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."
and as for our souls, Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die."
101G.
Obadiah
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Revelation 3:20, “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.”
Grace ambassador
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Amen!
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op: can a person evict God from Living Within them?
Precious friend, would not the answer then be "no"?
