Bible Eschatology is Jewish Eschatology

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Jewish eschatology is key in understanding a key element in the scriptures.

A rough background is:
1. The Israel people kept failing to follow God properly
2. The prophets spoke of their failed trust toward God
3. Malachi 3 mentions that a messenger would precede the Lord who would judge
4. Judgment ultimately came.

This information is not to harm or denigrate anyone. The point simply is to show the testimony of scripture as it appears to have played out. These details appear to have been missed by many people over the last two thousand years and thus is worth sharing to restore the details.

I would hope that this could inspire anyone who reads the summary (and even the broader prophets) to consider the continuity of scripture and to decide if it is relevant to one’s life and one’s understanding and appreciation of scripture. To those not interested in the testimony herein, continue on as you were. It is no harm to me. (I mean it is a matter of your personal business how you feel about this or what you do with these concepts of scripture.)

Malachi 3:1-5 (ESV)
“Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts.
2 But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap.
3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord.
4 Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the Lord as in the days of old and as in former years.​
5 “Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.

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Concerning the eschatology of the Israel people, we have this overview:

Malachi 3 shows the Messiah is announced by a forerunner whom we know as John. Isa 40:3ff gives some detail that is again shared in Matt 3:3. This all is to announce and warn of the judgment coming upon the people for their sins.

Daniel provides the more specific timing of the arrival of the Messiah via the 70 weeks of years. The prophet Daniel had sought the future of his people after the 70 years exile in Babylon. So the 70 weeks of years has a practical and symbolic meaning.

Daniel 9:24 (ESV)
24“Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

Part of that is the destruction of the city and sanctuary as seen in Daniel 9:26 (ESV)
26And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

Matt 24 combines various prophecies and prophets together to clarify the details of the judgment of Israel via the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. Isaiah 10:20-22 along with John 11:47-55 show that the remnant, who come to Christ, represent the preservation of the nation that otherwise came to its end.

This achieves what even Moses spoke about in Deuteronomy 32:26–29 (ESV)

26 I would have said, “I will cut them to pieces; I will wipe them from human memory,”
27 had I not feared provocation by the enemy, lest their adversaries should misunderstand, lest they should say, “Our hand is triumphant, it was not the Lord who did all this.” ’
28 “For they are a nation void of counsel, and there is no understanding in them.
29 If they were wise, they would understand this; they would discern their latter end!

That is the apparent reasoning behind preserving the remnant who came to Christ. The city and people had fair warning many times over. Christians were advised to flee so as not to be caught up in the physical judgment and terror that happened. They also survived as the continuation of Israel in the heavenly sense.

I'm not sure if anyone will find any of these events to have failed to happened.
 
Jewish eschatology is key in understanding a key element in the scriptures.

A rough background is:
1. The Israel people kept failing to follow God properly
2. The prophets spoke of their failed trust toward God
3. Malachi 3 mentions that a messenger would precede the Lord who would judge
4. Judgment ultimately came.

This information is not to harm or denigrate anyone. The point simply is to show the testimony of scripture as it appears to have played out. These details appear to have been missed by many people over the last two thousand years and thus is worth sharing to restore the details.

I would hope that this could inspire anyone who reads the summary (and even the broader prophets) to consider the continuity of scripture and to decide if it is relevant to one’s life and one’s understanding and appreciation of scripture. To those not interested in the testimony herein, continue on as you were. It is no harm to me. (I mean it is a matter of your personal business how you feel about this or what you do with these concepts of scripture.)

Malachi 3:1-5 (ESV)
“Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts.
2 But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap.
3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord.
4 Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the Lord as in the days of old and as in former years.​
5 “Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.

= = = =

Concerning the eschatology of the Israel people, we have this overview:

Malachi 3 shows the Messiah is announced by a forerunner whom we know as John. Isa 40:3ff gives some detail that is again shared in Matt 3:3. This all is to announce and warn of the judgment coming upon the people for their sins.

Daniel provides the more specific timing of the arrival of the Messiah via the 70 weeks of years. The prophet Daniel had sought the future of his people after the 70 years exile in Babylon. So the 70 weeks of years has a practical and symbolic meaning.

Daniel 9:24 (ESV)
24“Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

Part of that is the destruction of the city and sanctuary as seen in Daniel 9:26 (ESV)
26And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

Matt 24 combines various prophecies and prophets together to clarify the details of the judgment of Israel via the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. Isaiah 10:20-22 along with John 11:47-55 show that the remnant, who come to Christ, represent the preservation of the nation that otherwise came to its end.

This achieves what even Moses spoke about in Deuteronomy 32:26–29 (ESV)

26 I would have said, “I will cut them to pieces; I will wipe them from human memory,”
27 had I not feared provocation by the enemy, lest their adversaries should misunderstand, lest they should say, “Our hand is triumphant, it was not the Lord who did all this.” ’
28 “For they are a nation void of counsel, and there is no understanding in them.
29 If they were wise, they would understand this; they would discern their latter end!

That is the apparent reasoning behind preserving the remnant who came to Christ. The city and people had fair warning many times over. Christians were advised to flee so as not to be caught up in the physical judgment and terror that happened. They also survived as the continuation of Israel in the heavenly sense.

I'm not sure if anyone will find any of these events to have failed to happened.
All Good - and yet more is to come

"There is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be"

Two Comings of the Lord = Two destructions of earthbound Jerusalem

1Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with [You.
 
ll Good - and yet more is to come

"There is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be"

Two Comings of the Lord = Two destructions of earthbound Jerusalem

Why have the exact same stuff of Zech 14 happen in AD70 and then have all that happen again a second time? Was the latter end of the people not good enough the first time? How does this passage mention that these things happen twice?

It is sort of like a murder novel that half way through the novel the murder is solved. But then the victim is alive again but is being murdered again requiring the sleuth to figure out the new murderer.

Also, many ways of warning could be listed ahead of AD70. The prophets, including Malachi and Daniel; the arrival of John the Baptist to warn of the Lord coming in judgment; the appearance of Jesus who warned of judgment; and Jesus gave Matt 24 that would be the signs of the impending judgment such that followers of Christ learned to escape before than happened. What warnings would happen for a repeat of Zech 14?
 
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Why have the exact same stuff of Zech 14 happen in AD70 and then have all that happen again a second time? Was the latter end of the people not good enough the first time? How does this passage mention that these things happen twice?

It is sort of like a murder novel that half way through the novel the murder is solved. But then the victim is alive again but is being murdered again requiring the sleuth to figure out the new murderer.

Also, many ways of warning could be listed ahead of AD70. The prophets, including Malachi and Daniel; the arrival of John the Baptist to warn of the Lord coming in judgment; the appearance of Jesus who warned of judgment; and Jesus gave Matt 24 that would be the signs of the impending judgment such that followers of Christ learned to escape before than happened. What warnings would happen for a repeat of Zech 14?
Zechariah 14:1-5 is the Second Coming of Christ
 
Zechariah 14:1-5 is the Second Coming of Christ
But how do you identify a separate coming perhaps with more scriptures ... all that from the judgment of Jerusalem that Mal 3, Dan 7and9, Matt 3 and Matt 24 that happened in AD70?

This thread was just to present a narrow view of the prophesied destiny of Israel that I think is useful for people of all backgrounds to know. It is just a minor bit of a broader examination.
 
But how do you identify a separate coming perhaps with more scriptures ... all that from the judgment of Jerusalem that Mal 3, Dan 7and9, Matt 3 and Matt 24 that happened in AD70?

This thread was just to present a narrow view of the prophesied destiny of Israel that I think is useful for people of all backgrounds to know. It is just a minor bit of a broader examination.
Please allow me to respond tomorrow as it is late for me now.

Shalom my Brother in Christ
 
But how do you identify a separate coming perhaps with more scriptures ... all that from the judgment of Jerusalem that Mal 3, Dan 7and9, Matt 3 and Matt 24 that happened in AD70?

This thread was just to present a narrow view of the prophesied destiny of Israel that I think is useful for people of all backgrounds to know. It is just a minor bit of a broader examination.
Dual prophecy = God used it in the OT and JESUS used it in His Gospel.

Example: the True and allegorical story of Joseph
 
Dual prophecy = God used it in the OT and JESUS used it in His Gospel.

Example: the True and allegorical story of Joseph

I'm finding more of analogical connections of some areas like Isaiah 7 with Jesus being called Immanuel. This would seem to be related to the sign of judgment in both cases rather than Isaiah 7 prophesying the future Immanuel.
That analogical relation may also be inherent to the association of John the Baptist with Elijah even though that is a prophecy. It might be interesting to look into more detail of that prophecy.

Anyhow, my curiosity is what you are finding in Joseph -- the OT one or the husband of Mary?
 
I'm finding more of analogical connections of some areas like Isaiah 7 with Jesus being called Immanuel. This would seem to be related to the sign of judgment in both cases rather than Isaiah 7 prophesying the future Immanuel.
That analogical relation may also be inherent to the association of John the Baptist with Elijah even though that is a prophecy. It might be interesting to look into more detail of that prophecy.

Anyhow, my curiosity is what you are finding in Joseph -- the OT one or the husband of Mary?
OT Joseph = God portrayed for us the 1st & 2nd Coming of Christ in the life of OT Joseph
 
Ok. I've never heard that one before as you may have guessed.
This is exciting as you can now read the True account of OT Joseph and pray and see how Great God is in empowering His faithful witnesses that speak of Christ.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into. - 1 Peter1:10-12
 
This is exciting as you can now read the True account of OT Joseph and pray and see how Great God is in empowering His faithful witnesses that speak of Christ.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into. - 1 Peter1:10-12
Indeed. The prophets were writing about topics intended to excite hope and endurance in those of the Israel people who would listen across the centuries. The glory of Christ fulfilled the expectation of the prophets but was shared with the Jews in the first century and now we also enjoy the gospel. The context remained solely within the Israel people until it became clear that gentiles were to enjoy the same benefits.
 
Here is a plot of the Israel context in a book I'm reading. It is being used the background for prophecy. I do not agree with the details but the idea is helpful.
However, it is important to note that in terms of the plot structure of the Bible, Jesus came initially not to save the world from sin, but rather to restore Israel to righteousness and blessing. This is not just an irrelevant technicality of history; it is crucial for our understanding of the role of Jesus as the turning point in the macronarrative of Scripture. As the Bible understands it, God sent Jesus as a helper or agent to restore Israel to its purpose and task, and through Israel ultimately to impact the human race.
Middleton, A New Heaven and a New Earth, 67
An obvious error is that Jesus also came to "save the world." That is a point found in John 3:16-17 but has been overlooked. That salvation arguably is about preserving creation just as found with the Noahic flood, which destroyed much but still preserved creation. I guess there is a blend of "saving the world" and "saving the world from sin" that could distinguish the meaning here -- or may be the source of confusion in John 3:16-17.
 
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