Eternally-Grateful
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I believe it to
I just do not believe God regenerates a man while still dead in sin.
God has the power to draw them to him and get them to make a decision
Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will
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I just do not believe God regenerates a man while still dead in sin.
God has the power to draw them to him and get them to make a decision
civic
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brightfame52
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Drawing is regeneration, otherwise man continues as a natural man and cannot come/believe in Christ Jn 6:44,65 So what makes you think drawing is anything less than being born again ? And being regenerated, made alive, is the only way one can stop being dead in sin. Eph 2:5
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
MTMattie
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brightfame52
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@Eternally-Grateful
Dead people dont make decisions, but once made alive first, then they decide to follow Christ, that's the benefit of being drawn by God, it causes life and persuasion, which is Faith.
The word draw helkó means also persuade:
Meaning: I drag, draw, pull, persuade, unsheathe.
To be persuaded is to be given Faith, the greek word peithō:
persuade
Thats what drawing by God does my friend.
Dead people dont make decisions, but once made alive first, then they decide to follow Christ, that's the benefit of being drawn by God, it causes life and persuasion, which is Faith.
The word draw helkó means also persuade:
Meaning: I drag, draw, pull, persuade, unsheathe.
To be persuaded is to be given Faith, the greek word peithō:
persuade
- to persuade, i.e. to induce one by words to believe
Thats what drawing by God does my friend.
Eternally-Grateful
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see here is your problem
I am spiritually dead. but still alive
a physically dead person can do nothing your right
but a spiritually dead person can.
so your example falls flat on its face.
God is able to draw me and teach me so I can make a decision. and he calls me to make that decision.
believe and you will nto be condemned
remain in unbelieve and you remain condemned
I am saddened as while you praise the power of God. you limit the power of God and do not even see it
brightfame52
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This isnt about you, its about Gods word. Jesus says men , meaning man in general apart from God, do not have the ability to believe in Jesus Himself. The word come in Jn 6:44 means believe as it indicates in Vs 37
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
So the ones being drawn in Vs 44 are all the ones being given by the Father that come/believe into Christ
Thats the only way a man can believe in Jesus, otherwise man doesnt have the ability, so squash mans freewill falsehood
Eternally-Grateful
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amen, its not about you either
Amen, 100 %,, God promised jesus all the way back before time began if he came to the cross. he would give him a selct group of people..
Jesus came and tried to draw the jews. John 1 says he went to his own, but his own received him not.
so scripture does not support your fatalism
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No its not the only way
You have god, who by his perfect justice, declairs a person dead becuse of sin, over rule his own justice and make them alive before the sin is even forgiven.
Nice try.
brightfame52
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@Eternally-Grateful
I never said it was, that's why I didn't interject my personal experience into this as you did. Im keeping it real with scripture testimony, in this case the very sayings of Christ. He says no man has the ability to believe in Him, I witnessing to the truth Jn 6:44,65
I never said it was, that's why I didn't interject my personal experience into this as you did. Im keeping it real with scripture testimony, in this case the very sayings of Christ. He says no man has the ability to believe in Him, I witnessing to the truth Jn 6:44,65
Eternally-Grateful
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now your just being proud
I did not do anything you did not do
so am I
I just disagree with your interpretation of the passage in question. because your focused on 2 verses not the whole conversation.
brightfame52
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@Eternally-Grateful
False accusation. Those whom Christ died for are born into this world as forgiven sinners, His Blood shed for them gave them forgiveness of sins Matt 26:28
28 for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Do you deny this ?
False accusation. Those whom Christ died for are born into this world as forgiven sinners, His Blood shed for them gave them forgiveness of sins Matt 26:28
28 for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Do you deny this ?
Eternally-Grateful
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how could I be dead in trespasses and sin (eph 1) if I was already forgiven before I was justified.
keep trying
brightfame52
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This isnt about you. This is about what the shed blood did for the many it was shed for, it gave them forgiveness of sins Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for unto the remission of sins.
My business isnt here to interpret and explain your experiences, but to testify to and contend for the truth of scripture.
Now if Christ shed His Blood for forgiveness of sins back in 33.ad and a person He died for is born in 1957, why wouldn't they be born with their sins forgiven by the blood of Christ shed for them ?
Eternally-Grateful
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Your arrogance is some of the worst I have ever seen
It is not about you either
I posted a verse. i was dead in tresspasses and sin, and I was made alive
And this is what you come up with?
Get real man. And you wonder why I hardly give you a time of day, chatroom after chatroom you go in spreading gthe same hateful sentiment and attacking people who do not agree with you
Good day..
brightfame52
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Why are you asking me to explain your experience ? This isnt about you sir and your experiences. This is about what saith the Lord, Period
