Are we told to worship Jesus or are we told to worship God?

[MatthewG]

Imagine if God just gives you everything in your heart you really wanted. That would not be a good God at all. God lets us struggle… and we choose to seek his help or not in this life. It ain’t not pick and choosing stuff people want it to be. It’s very personal and to the heart, in which Yahweh looks and sees.

 

[MatthewG]

Stay strong and keep the faith @MatthewG
Johann.

Good to see you, hope your fall season isn’t to bad where you are at friend, may Yahweh keep you and yours safe through the next season of winter; summer is coming here soon. it’s so hot but love to see the flowers grow and the rainy days fall down.

 

[Johann]

Good to see you, hope your fall season isn’t to bad where you are at friend, may Yahweh keep you and yours safe through the next season of winter; summer is coming here soon. it’s so hot but love to see the flowers grow and the rainy days fall down.

South Africa brother-everything is in a chaotic mess-other than that, we are pilgrims in a foreign world.
Shalom brother-to you and family.
J.

 

[MatthewG]

South Africa brother-everything is in a chaotic mess-other than that, we are pilgrims in a foreign world.
Shalom brother-to you and family.
J.

Heard from throughout my life that South Africa is tremendously different, because of so much infighting in itself, like in documentaries, Johann. Thank you !

 

[MatthewG]

You are not the first person who "Professes to know God", that accused Paul of bringing his own religion which contradicted the Law and Prophets. There are self-proclaimed "ministers of righteousness" who have accused Paul of this very thing since He turned to the God and Father of the Lord's Christ. Here is what he said about those who, like you, were preaching that Paul brought his own doctrine.

Acts 24:10 Then Paul, after that the governor had beckoned unto him to speak, answered, Forasmuch as I know that thou hast been of many years a judge unto this nation, I do the more cheerfully answer for myself:

11 Because that thou mayest understand, that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship.

12 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:

13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:




You have adopted this religious philosophy from one of the many religious sects and businesses which existed in this world God placed you in. But for me, I want to hear what Paul himself said he teaches and believes, not what you or Kenneth Copeland, or Joel Osteen says he teaches or believes.

Here is what Paul, by a vision from the Spirit of the Christ, "of the Bible" actually taught to both Jew and Gentile.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (ALL) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
The Light wasn't Paul's doctrine, but the doctrine of HIM that Paul "Yielded himself a servant to obey". Rom. 6:16.


Yes, he taught nothing different than what the Law and Prophets instructed, at least, according to his own words.

Ez. 18: 30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; (Repent) and make you a new heart and a new spirit ( "And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.) for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Rom. 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the "righteous judgment of God"; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing "seek for" glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

If you followed Paul, you would yield yourself a servant to Obey God, as Paul did, and as Jesus did. Not promote falsehoods about Paul bringing his own doctrine.



Acts 15: 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (Law of Moses)and from blood. (Law of Moses)

Is that it? Where will they learn what is "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness": That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (Meet for repentance)?

He tells you this as well. But you don't really believe him.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

And why would both Jesus and Paul send the Gentiles to hear Moses and the Prophets? Because "All scripture is given by inspiration of God"



The Torah wasn't inspired by the Jews, but the deceiver would convince as many as will listen to him, that it is. Peter, by the Spirit if Christ, saw this religion that you are promoting coming, where religious men promote falsehoods about the Scriptures, including Paul's letters.

2 Peter 3: 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, "as they do also" the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, "beware lest ye also", being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

"Pauline Theology" is a deception. Paul taught the Law and Prophets, that he called The Gospel of Christ. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

If that is a case which undoubtedly considered the Bible and everything in it can be debated. I’ve seen a person even just throw away the book of James because of it being written o Jews, and that it doesn’t have in value in a Christian’s life; or that was my overall observation from the fella, that Paul mattered more in what he taught over him. While I get Paul was greatly revealed a significant amount of truth which set him free of the law and the prophets and his decisions to choose the Lord Jesus and to learn from him, which in turn - gives an inside look of the Old Testament; and the coming of the Lord and the “GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD, in the last days when his Son would be proclaimed and the “wrath of God” would come upon that nation of tribes set forth right with Yahweh; in which within those tribes was the bride still holding strong in the face of death.

While one revelation is revealed to John, another also of Paul, by virtue of a man who knew his scriptures; spoke of those same scriptures and the promises there in to Israel themselves. So there is a lot of context that I personally doesn’t have anything to do with us today - however there may some type of benefit through subjective judgement of what one should believe they need to do.

 

[Behold]

Okay, you did respond. I just hate the way you do it. Because it doesn’t really relate to engaging with me personally and I probably hate that too, because I’m a selfish and needy person. It’s all good either way, cause if I can’t love someone who sees things differently who am I to say I even love God?

Dont worry about your hate., i understand it.

 

[Behold]

You are not the first person who "Professes to know God", that accused Paul of bringing his own religion which contradicted the Law and Prophets.

I have not accused Paul of "bringing in his own religion".

And Paul said this about those LawKeeing Jews.

"being IGNORANT of God's Righteousness, they go about to establish their OWN, because they have not submitted to God"".

Romans 10:3

 

[Studyman]

I have not accused Paul of "bringing in his own religion".

These are your very own words.

This is Paul's Doctrine.

You can read 1 Tim 4:13, and you'll note that He mentions His Doctrine to His Convert.

"Pauline Theology" is the more contemporary Christian description.

So, when Paul says to you..>"Be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".....He's not only describing his Christianity, but he's describing also His Doctrine.

It's so hard to communicate with many modern "contemporary Christian" preachers today because they can't be honest about their own religion. This happens all the time with modern preachers. They promote their religion, then when someone shows them the actual scriptures which expose or bring questions to their doctrines, they just deny what they just said.

Jer. 8. "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush"

Its the same that He taught the other Apostles in Acts 15.

I posted Paul's Words in Acts 15, but you ignored them.

Peter refers to this that Paul teaches as "Scripture".. equal to the Jew's Torah..

The term "The Jews Torah" is a deception, a falsehood, promoted by men who would discredit God and demean His Holy Word. You shouldn't teach such awful things about God and His Word.

And Paul said this about those LawKeeing Jews.

What "Lawkeeping Jews" are you speaking to? Is this one of the "Lawkeeping Jews" Paul talked about?

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Or maybe you mean this "Lawkeeping Jew".

Luke 2: 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

Or perhaps Anna was one of those ignorant "Lawkeeping Jews" you are speaking to.

Luke 2: 36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity; 37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day. 38 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

Or are you talking about these Jews.

Mark 7: 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

So Behold, which "Lawkeeping Jew" are you preaching about?

"being IGNORANT of God's Righteousness, they go about to establish their OWN, because they have not submitted to God"".

Romans 10:3

Paul was a "Lawkeeping Jew", and as such he wasn't "Ignorant" of God's Righteousness, because like Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, he "Yielded himself" a Servant to Obey God as he teaches both Jew and Gentile.

16 Know ye not, that to whom "ye yield yourselves" servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

So in your religion, since you are few in number and you are the last of this great religion, can you please show me who, in your "Pauline Theology", the "Lawkeeping Jews" were?

I look forward to your answer.

 

[Studyman]

Here is Gods will
Ephesians 4:31,32
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice

How can a man know God's will, if he omits, ignores or cherry picks the Words of God to live by? For example, in this chapter you selected, to justify your preaching that there is no righteous anger for the people of God, two verses and separated them from the rest of the Bible. But when the whole teaching is considered, the message changes.

Eph. 4: 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil.

Did God inspire here for it to be written "Be bitter" but sin not? Or "speak evil" but sin not? Or show malice but sin not? Or "lie to your neighbor" but sin not? No, But HE did inspire both David (Ps. 4:4) and Paul to say "Be angry, but sin not".

Anyone who says they don't get angry are liars Civic. Jesus got Angry, but HE sinned not. God gets angry, but HE doesn't Sin. If His Spirit is in a man, this man will get angry at false teaching, fake preachers, manmade doctrines, etc. It's inevitable if God's Spirit is within a man. God knows this, and therefore HE teaches His Children, "Be angry" but sin not.

Colossians 3:8
But now you must put aside all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips

You did the same thing here,


Col. 3: 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now (Being the New Man) ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

God is Angry with the old man. If His Spirit is within you, you are angry with the old man as well. This is good. "Be Angry, but Sin not"!

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Seek God's Truth, not self-justification.

 

[Johann]

How can a man know God's will, if he omits, ignores or cherry picks the Words of God to live by? For example, in this chapter you selected, to justify your preaching that there is no righteous anger for the people of God, two verses and separated them from the rest of the Bible. But when the whole teaching is considered, the message changes.

Eph. 4: 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil.

Did God inspire here for it to be written "Be bitter" but sin not? Or "speak evil" but sin not? Or show malice but sin not? Or "lie to your neighbor" but sin not? No, But HE did inspire both David (Ps. 4:4) and Paul to say "Be angry, but sin not".

Anyone who says they don't get angry are liars Civic. Jesus got Angry, but HE sinned not. God gets angry, but HE doesn't Sin. If His Spirit is in a man, this man will get angry at false teaching, fake preachers, manmade doctrines, etc. It's inevitable if God's Spirit is within a man. God knows this, and therefore HE teaches His Children, "Be angry" but sin not.




You did the same thing here,


Col. 3: 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now (Being the New Man) ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

God is Angry with the old man. If His Spirit is within you, you are angry with the old man as well. This is good. "Be Angry, but Sin not"!

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Seek God's Truth, not self-justification.

Absolutely spot on-context, context, context!

 

[civic]

How can a man know God's will, if he omits, ignores or cherry picks the Words of God to live by? For example, in this chapter you selected, to justify your preaching that there is no righteous anger for the people of God, two verses and separated them from the rest of the Bible. But when the whole teaching is considered, the message changes.

Eph. 4: 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil.

Did God inspire here for it to be written "Be bitter" but sin not? Or "speak evil" but sin not? Or show malice but sin not? Or "lie to your neighbor" but sin not? No, But HE did inspire both David (Ps. 4:4) and Paul to say "Be angry, but sin not".

Anyone who says they don't get angry are liars Civic. Jesus got Angry, but HE sinned not. God gets angry, but HE doesn't Sin. If His Spirit is in a man, this man will get angry at false teaching, fake preachers, manmade doctrines, etc. It's inevitable if God's Spirit is within a man. God knows this, and therefore HE teaches His Children, "Be angry" but sin not.




You did the same thing here,


Col. 3: 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now (Being the New Man) ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

God is Angry with the old man. If His Spirit is within you, you are angry with the old man as well. This is good. "Be Angry, but Sin not"!

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Seek God's Truth, not self-justification.

You claim you know Gods mind and can say your anger is the same as Gods righteous anger is shaky ground. It’s why the Bible warns believers not to be angry like I pointed out. Can you judge another persons heart like Jesus and be angry and sin not like Jesus ?

Is anger the fruit of the spirit ? Yes or no

 

[Clay]

Worshiping Jesus is a good thing. Here's a list of 100 verses that confirm worshiping Jesus.

What Does the Bible Say About Worshipping Jesus?

Bible verses about Worshipping Jesus

www.openbible.info

 

[Johann]

Worshiping Jesus is a good thing. Here's a list of 100 verses that confirm worshiping Jesus.

What Does the Bible Say About Worshipping Jesus?

Bible verses about Worshipping Jesus

www.openbible.info

Amen--

New Testament Evidence:
Philippians 2:9-11

"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Explanation: This passage, often considered an early Christian hymn, shows that Jesus was exalted and worshipped as Lord.
Hebrews 1:6

"And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God's angels worship him.'"

Explanation: This verse indicates that Jesus is worshipped by angels, emphasizing his divine status.
Revelation 5:11-14

"Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they were saying: 'Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!' Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!'"

Explanation: This passage depicts heavenly worship directed toward Jesus, the Lamb.
John 20:28

"Thomas said to him, 'My Lord and my God!'"
Explanation: The apostle Thomas directly addresses Jesus as "My Lord and my God," showing worship and recognition of his divinity.

Early Christian Writings:
The Didache (c. AD 50-120)

Also known as "The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles," this early Christian manual includes prayers and instructions that indicate worship of Jesus. For example, the Eucharistic prayers include thanksgiving to Jesus Christ.
Pliny the Younger’s Letter to Emperor Trajan (c. AD 112)

In a letter describing early Christian practices, Pliny notes that Christians "were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god."
Explanation: This Roman official's account confirms that early Christians worshipped Jesus as divine.
Ignatius of Antioch (c. AD 35-108)

In his letters, Ignatius, an early Church Father, frequently refers to Jesus in divine terms and encourages worship of Christ. For example, in his Letter to the Ephesians, he writes, "For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan."
Justin Martyr’s First Apology (c. AD 155)

Justin Martyr, an early Christian apologist, writes extensively about Christian worship, including the worship of Jesus. He describes Christians gathering to sing hymns to Christ and partake in the Eucharist in remembrance of him.
Conclusion:

These ancient documents, including both New Testament writings and early Christian literature, provide substantial evidence that Jesus was worshipped by early Christians. The consistent theme across these texts is the recognition of Jesus' divinity and his central role in Christian worship practices.

There's no doubt in my heart that Messiah is worthy of our deepest eulogies Olam El-Olam.

 

[Studyman]

You claim you know Gods mind and can say your anger is the same as Gods righteous anger is shaky ground.

That not what I said and you know it. I made a case with Scriptures and pointed out simply undeniable Biblical Truths. God's Love and God's Anger is not the same as those of the flesh. If His Spirit is truly in a man, if a man lets the mind of Christ be in them, they will still have Love and they will still have anger. Just not fleshy anger and fleshy love of the old man.

It’s why the Bible warns believers not to be angry like I pointed out.

But in order to justify yourself, you are ignoring all the scriptures I posted which show that there is anger experienced by the children of God. Jesus, filled with His Father's Spirit, experienced this anger. But He sinned not.

Can you judge another persons heart like Jesus and be angry and sin not like Jesus ?

Jesus said by the fruits of men their heart shall be known. "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:"

The Christ "of the bible" inspired both David and Paul, who quoted David, to be angry, but sin not, like Jesus. You don't believe these Words, that is your choice. I do. Does that anger you?

Is anger the fruit of the spirit ? Yes or no

There are two spirits. Both can produce the fruit of anger. One leads to Sin, the other doesn't.

To which spirit are to speaking?

 

[Johann]

That not what I said and you know it. I made a case with Scriptures and pointed out simply undeniable Biblical Truths. God's Love and God's Anger is not the same as those of the flesh. If His Spirit is truly in a man, if a man lets the mind of Christ be in them, they will still have Love and they will still have anger. Just not fleshy anger and fleshy love of the old man.


But in order to justify yourself, you are ignoring all the scriptures I posted which show that there is anger experienced by the children of God. Jesus, filled with His Father's Spirit, experienced this anger. But He sinned not.



Jesus said by the fruits of men their heart shall be known. "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:"

The Christ "of the bible" inspired both David and Paul, who quoted David, to be angry, but sin not, like Jesus. You don't believe these Words, that is your choice. I do. Does that anger you?



There are two spirits. Both can produce the fruit of anger. One leads to Sin, the other doesn't.

To which spirit are to speaking?

I like these two phrases-in Latin and Hebrew.

In Hebrew, the act of misconstruing or distorting someone's words can be captured with the verb "לְעַוֵּת" (le'avet), which means to pervert or distort. However, there isn't a single word that perfectly matches the English concept. Instead, a phrase might be used:

לְעַוֵּת אֶת הַדְּבָרִים (le'avet et ha-dvarim):
Translation: To distort the words.
Transliteration: Le'avet et ha-dvarim.
Usage: This phrase indicates the act of intentionally twisting or misinterpreting what someone has said.
Summary:
Latin: "Verba distorquere" (to twist words) or "Interpretatio mala" (bad interpretation).
Hebrew: לְעַוֵּת אֶת הַדְּבָרִים (le'avet et ha-dvarim) – to distort the words.


Keep strong in your walk with Messiah.

 

[Johann]

How can a man know God's will, if he omits, ignores or cherry picks the Words of God to live by? For example, in this chapter you selected, to justify your preaching that there is no righteous anger for the people of God, two verses and separated them from the rest of the Bible. But when the whole teaching is considered, the message changes.

Eph. 4: 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil.

Did God inspire here for it to be written "Be bitter" but sin not? Or "speak evil" but sin not? Or show malice but sin not? Or "lie to your neighbor" but sin not? No, But HE did inspire both David (Ps. 4:4) and Paul to say "Be angry, but sin not".

Anyone who says they don't get angry are liars Civic. Jesus got Angry, but HE sinned not. God gets angry, but HE doesn't Sin. If His Spirit is in a man, this man will get angry at false teaching, fake preachers, manmade doctrines, etc. It's inevitable if God's Spirit is within a man. God knows this, and therefore HE teaches His Children, "Be angry" but sin not.

Answer to civic--here is YHVH's Boule/Thelema-

New Testament References:
1 Thessalonians 4:3-5:

"It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God."
Explanation: This passage clearly states that sanctification and purity are part of God’s will for believers.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18:

"Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus."
Explanation: Here, God's will is described as a life characterized by joy, prayer, and gratitude.
1 Peter 2:15:

"For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people."
Explanation: This verse emphasizes that doing good is part of God's will, as it serves to counteract ignorance and foolishness.
Romans 12:2:

"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will."
Explanation: This passage highlights the importance of transformation and renewal in discerning God's will.
Ephesians 5:17:

"Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is."
Explanation: Paul encourages believers to seek understanding of God's will, implying that it is something to be known and followed.
1 Peter 4:2:

"As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God."
Explanation: Believers are called to live according to God’s will rather than human desires.
Old Testament References:
Micah 6:8:

"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."
Explanation: This verse encapsulates God's will in terms of justice, mercy, and humility.
Jeremiah 29:11:

"'For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the Lord, 'plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.'"
Explanation: God's will is seen here as a plan for the well-being and future of His people.
Psalm 40:8:

"I desire to do your will, my God; your law is within my heart."
Explanation: The psalmist expresses a deep desire to do God's will, highlighting a heart aligned with God’s law.
Additional References:
Matthew 6:10:

"Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."
Explanation: In the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus teaches us to pray for God’s will to be done, emphasizing its importance.
John 6:40:

"For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."
Explanation: God’s will includes the salvation and eternal life of those who believe in Jesus.
Hebrews 10:36:

"You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised."

Explanation: Perseverance in doing God’s will is linked to receiving His promises.

These scriptures collectively emphasize various aspects of God's will, including sanctification, good works, understanding and discernment, justice, mercy, humility, and the salvation of believers. By studying these passages, believers can gain a clearer understanding of what it means to live according to the will of God.

Shalom
J.

 

[civic]

Ephesians 4:31,32
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice

Colossians 3:8
But now you must put aside all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips

 

[civic]

◄ 3709. orgé ►

Strong's Concordance orgé: impulse, wrath​ Original Word: ὀργή, ῆς, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: orgé Phonetic Spelling: (or-gay') Definition: impulse, wrath Usage: anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance. HELPS Word-studies 3709 orgḗ (from orgáō, "to teem, swelling up to constitutionally oppose") – properly, settled anger (opposition), i.e. rising up from an ongoing (fixed) opposition. 3709 /orgḗ ("settled anger") proceeds from an internal disposition which steadfastlyopposes someone or something based on extended personal exposure, i.e. solidifying what the beholder considers wrong (unjust, evil). ["Orgē comes from the verb oragōmeaning, 'to teem, to swell'; and thus implies that it is not a sudden outburst, but rather (referring to God's) fixed, controlled, passionate feeling against sin . . . a settledindignation (so Hendriksen)" (D. E. Hiebert, at 1 Thes 1:10).]

 

[civic]

Concordance
Matthew 3:7 N-GFS
GRK: τῆς μελλούσης ὀργῆς
NAS: you to flee from the wrath to come?
KJV: to flee from the wrath to come?
INT: the coming wrath
Mark 3:5 N-GFS
GRK: αὐτοὺς μετ' ὀργῆς συλλυπούμενος ἐπὶ
NAS: After looking around at them with anger, grieved
KJV: on them with anger, being grieved for
INT: them with anger being grieved at

Luke 3:7 N-GFS
GRK: τῆς μελλούσης ὀργῆς
NAS: you to flee from the wrath to come?
KJV: to flee from the wrath to come?
INT: the coming wrath

Luke 21:23 N-NFS
GRK: γῆς καὶ ὀργὴ τῷ λαῷ
NAS: upon the land and wrath to this
KJV: the land, and wrath upon this
INT: land and wrath those people

John 3:36 N-NFS
GRK: ἀλλ' ἡ ὀργὴ τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: life, but the wrath of God
KJV: life; but the wrath of God abideth
INT: but the wrath of God

Romans 1:18 N-NFS
GRK: Ἀποκαλύπτεται γὰρ ὀργὴ θεοῦ ἀπ'
NAS: For the wrath of God is revealed
KJV: For the wrath of God is revealed
INT: there is revealed indeed wrath of God from

Romans 2:5 N-AFS
GRK: θησαυρίζεις σεαυτῷ ὀργὴν ἐν ἡμέρᾳ
NAS: you are storing up wrath for yourself
KJV: unto thyself wrath against
INT: treasure up to yourself wrath in a day

Romans 2:5 N-GFS
GRK: ἐν ἡμέρᾳ ὀργῆς καὶ ἀποκαλύψεως
NAS: in the day of wrath and revelation
KJV: the day of wrath and
INT: in a day of wrath and revelation

Romans 2:8 N-NFS
GRK: τῇ ἀδικίᾳ ὀργὴ καὶ θυμός
NAS: unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.
KJV: indignation and wrath,
INT: unrighteousness wrath and anger

Romans 3:5 N-AFS
GRK: ἐπιφέρων τὴν ὀργήν κατὰ ἄνθρωπον
NAS: who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous,
KJV: who taketh vengeance? (I speak
INT: inflicts the wrath According to man

Romans 4:15 N-AFS
GRK: γὰρ νόμος ὀργὴν κατεργάζεται οὗ
NAS: brings about wrath, but where
KJV: the law worketh wrath: for where
INT: indeed law wrath brings where

Romans 5:9 N-GFS
GRK: ἀπὸ τῆς ὀργῆς
NAS: we shall be saved from the wrath [of God] through
KJV: from wrath through
INT: from the wrath

Romans 9:22 N-AFS
GRK: ἐνδείξασθαι τὴν ὀργὴν καὶ γνωρίσαι
NAS: to demonstrate His wrath and to make
KJV: to shew [his] wrath, and
INT: to show the wrath and to make known

Romans 9:22 N-GFS
GRK: μακροθυμίᾳ σκεύη ὀργῆςκατηρτισμένα εἰς
NAS: vessels of wrath prepared
KJV: the vessels of wrath fitted
INT: patience vessels of wrath fitted for

Romans 12:19 N-DFS
GRK: τόπον τῇ ὀργῇ γέγραπται γάρ
NAS: room for the wrath [of God], for it is written,
KJV: place unto wrath: for
INT: place to wrath it has been written indeed

Romans 13:4 N-AFS
GRK: ἔκδικος εἰς ὀργὴν τῷ τὸ
NAS: an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices
KJV: a revenger to [execute] wrath upon
INT: an avenger for wrath to him that

Romans 13:5 N-AFS
GRK: διὰ τὴν ὀργὴν ἀλλὰ καὶ
NAS: because of wrath, but also
KJV: only for wrath, but also
INT: on account of the wrath but also

Ephesians 2:3 N-GFS
GRK: τέκνα φύσει ὀργῆς ὡς καὶ
NAS: children of wrath, even
KJV: the children of wrath, even
INT: children by nature of wrath as even

Ephesians 4:31 N-NFS
GRK: θυμὸς καὶ ὀργὴ καὶ κραυγὴ
NAS: and wrath and anger and clamor
KJV: wrath, and anger, and clamour,
INT: anger and wrath and clamour

Ephesians 5:6 N-NFS
GRK: ἔρχεται ἡ ὀργὴ τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: of these things the wrath of God
KJV: cometh the wrath of God
INT: comes the wrath of God

Colossians 3:6 N-NFS
GRK: ἔρχεται ἡ ὀργὴ τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: of these things that the wrath of God
KJV: which things' sake the wrath of God
INT: comes the wrath of God

Colossians 3:8 N-AFS
GRK: τὰ πάντα ὀργήν θυμόν κακίαν
NAS: them all aside: anger, wrath, malice,
KJV: all these; anger, wrath,
INT: all [these] things anger rage malice

1 Thessalonians 1:10 N-GFS
GRK: ἐκ τῆς ὀργῆς τῆς ἐρχομένης
NAS: who rescues us from the wrath to come.
KJV: us from the wrath to come.
INT: from the wrath coming

1 Thessalonians 2:16 N-NFS
GRK: αὐτοὺς ἡ ὀργὴ εἰς τέλος
NAS: of their sins. But wrath has come
KJV: alway: for the wrath is come upon
INT: them the wrath to the utmost

1 Thessalonians 5:9 N-AFS
GRK: θεὸς εἰς ὀργὴν ἀλλὰ εἰς
NAS: has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining

 

[Studyman]

I like these two phrases-in Latin and Hebrew.

In Hebrew, the act of misconstruing or distorting someone's words can be captured with the verb "לְעַוֵּת" (le'avet), which means to pervert or distort. However, there isn't a single word that perfectly matches the English concept. Instead, a phrase might be used:

לְעַוֵּת אֶת הַדְּבָרִים (le'avet et ha-dvarim):
Translation: To distort the words.
Transliteration: Le'avet et ha-dvarim.
Usage: This phrase indicates the act of intentionally twisting or misinterpreting what someone has said.
Summary:
Latin: "Verba distorquere" (to twist words) or "Interpretatio mala" (bad interpretation).
Hebrew: לְעַוֵּת אֶת הַדְּבָרִים (le'avet et ha-dvarim) – to distort the words.


Keep strong in your walk with Messiah.

I don't think most men set out to purposely distort words. It seems, in my experience, that men are just trying to find ways to justify themselves. To justify their teaching or philosophy. To save face or defend themselves when their religious philosophy is challenged. It's a form of fleshy anger really, to be offended when being challenged, then to try and deflect or distract away from the questionable teaching for the purpose of preserving or protecting a specific view or philosophy.

Jesus explains to me why this is in John 3. " And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

I believe Jesus speaks to all men here. It's one of the curses of Sin, in my view. It seems there are two kinds of men who love darkness.

"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."

This man doesn't want to hear Scriptures, or the Truth of God (Light) which might expose a falsehood or darkness they have. Like pride, manmade religious traditions, popular religious doctrines of men, etc. So they work to preserve their own traditions and they don't listen to Scriptures which might bring question to the practices. So they don't come to the Light "Lest his deeds" might be corrected, which would be humiliating in most cases, and humiliation is avoided at all costs by the fleshy man.

The other type of man who loves darkness, are those who are interested in God's Truth, regardless of the personal cost. These men come to the Light for the very purpose of exposing darkness that they know exists, exposing doctrines and traditions of men they know they have been influenced by, even though they might not see them.

"But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God".

This man's pride is exposed, he is often humiliated, and he is broken, as it is written. But what remains are deeds which are wrought in God and not man. This is precious to God, in my understanding.

It is truly a fascinating study, and I did the study using myself as the example of the man Jesus speaks about.

Civic doesn't set out to misrepresent anyone. But when challenged, goes into the natural self-defense mode to preserve whatever he says, despite scriptures which might bring question to his words. I have been guilty of the same thing, and still am when I don't stay in the Light.

Again, Jesus' declaration that men love darkness, is a fascinating study. Sadly, most men believe this warning is always for the other guy, and not themselves.