Are Christians Sabbatarian?

[Studyman]

@Studyman

Let us add another post to this all important subject.

There are a few cults, major and lessors one down to those who live on a Island of self-righteousness that make no bones about their beliefs in trusting and placing confidence in the power of the flesh of doing spiritual acts that God is well please in.

Trusting in God and His Holy Scriptures "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." is the exact opposite of "Walking in the Flesh". It is the very definition of Walking in the Spirit. The devil would have us believe Paul, Jesus and God is lying to men. That Caleb, Noah, Elijah, Zacharias, Simeon were all deceived men "who live on a Island of self-righteousness".

Jesus saw you coming, and has prepared me for your posts.

1 John 3:7 Little children, "let no man deceive you": he that "doeth" righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Seventh-Day Adventists and their imitators a particular day as the essential (Saturday) as being the day that makes them God's peoples as though God is well please with them doing so. They exalt Moses and the O.T. over Jesus and Paul and the N.T.

I am not here to promote this world's religious system, not Calvinism or Adventism. There is not much difference between them.

They choose shadows over reality … law works over grace … carnal ordinances over spiritual … bondage over liberty. They exalt a calendar day over the finished work of Christ. They reject the Lord’s spiritual fulfillment and abolition of the Sabbath for a worldly yoke of bondage.

The devil, from the beginning, has promoted God's Laws as a "Yoke of Bondage" and Rudiments of this world. Your posts are its little helper.

Paul’s greatest burden was fighting such Jewish legalists.

the devil would have us believe the Pharisees were "legalists" defined as "excessive adherence to law". While it is true they were obsessed and zealous for the Law of the Pharisees, they full well rejected the Laws of God and taught for doctrines the Commandments of men.

Zacharias, Paul, Shadrack, and their redeemer, the Jesus "of the bible" and all the examples of Faithful men in the Bible, these men were Zealous for God's Laws. You would have called Jesus a Legalist, had you lived in His Time, and joined with the majority to silence Him.

False teachers followed him, creeping into churches and corrupting Gentile believers with O.T. superstition "about circumcision, (now it is water baptism) dietary laws, and the Sabbath.

A Popular but a wickedly false teaching. This world's religious system who call Jesus Lord, Lord, promoted by your posts, reject Circumcision of the heart that Moses promoted. Your posts reject the Judgments of God concerning Holy and Unholy, Clean and unclean. Your posts constantly reject God's Sabbaths, and promoted the sabbath of men, namely, the sabbath of the RCC. And the entire religious system of this world is represented by you.

Where is the Holy Just and Good Laws of God "Creeping into churches"?

The devil would have men believe that God's Commandments are "OT superstition". And your posts are its little helper.

Most of Galatians and Hebrews, and much of Romans, Ephesians, Philippians, and Colossians, were written to oppose them. These heretics chose Moses and meats over Jesus and His gospel.

The foundation of your post is based on the insidious lie that the mainstream preachers of Christ and Paul's time believed in the Oracles of God and kept and promoted the Law of Moses.

Paul and the Disciples kept the Gentiles away from the commandments of men that the Pharisees were teaching for doctrines, and toward God and the Laws of Moses read every Sabbath.

Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (dietary Law of Moses) and from blood. (dietary Law of Moses) 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The Disciples were furthering the teaching of the Jesus, "of the bible" to them, onto the Gentiles.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, (they promote the Law of Moses) "and do not".

4 For they (Scribes and Pharisees, not God, as your posts falsely promotes) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, (The Yoke of Bondage mentioned in Acts 15) and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

What is so sad, is that you are preaching to your own children, that the "Yoke of Bondage" spoken of in Act's 15 was God's Laws, and not the Commandments of men Jesus said the Jews placed on the necks of men.

Rejecting celebration of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ and His day for beggarly bondage of the Jewish Sabbath is heresy and superstition.

It is true that the mainstream preachers of Christ Time had polluted God's Sabbaths, and promoted for doctrines the commandments of men. Today, the mainstream preachers of this world's religious system promote the same pollution of God's Sabbaths, by rejected it for the heresy and superstition of the RCC's Sabbath.

Same crap, different generation.

Christians "never" assembled as Christians on Saturday after resurrection morning.

Another falsehood. Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread and Pentecost along with God's Holy Sabbath are all "Feasts of the Lord".

Lev. 23: 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. 4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Your post's preaching that the First Church of God under His New His Priest never kept Passover, or the Sabbaths of the Feast of Unleavened bread, and counted correctly, 7 Sabbaths, to be gathered on Pentecost is foolishness. Even more wicked is that they would follow the Feasts of the Lord, but Not the Sabbath Commandment.

The Lord of the Sabbath had abolished it at His resurrection, after nailing that carnal and worldly ordinance to His cross, when He became the reality and fulfillment of its shadow.

The devil teaches that God's Feasts and Holy Days are worldly and carnal superstitions, unworthy of the respect and honor of "Christians". And your posts are its little helper.

After the Lord's resurrection It was a new day …. literally, the first day of the week … spiritually, the gospel Day called Today … covenantally, the New Testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is true that the world didn't end after Christ rose from the dead just before Sundown on Saturday, God's Long known Holy Day, 3 days and 3 nights after HE was placed in the grave, just before Sundown on Wednesday.

After HE rose on the 7th Day, another day came to pass. "Literally, the First Day of the Week".

 

[civic]

The devil, from the beginning, has promoted God's Laws as a "Yoke of Bondage"

Quote scripture proving the devil promoted Gods law is a “yoke of bondage “

You made it up just like the rest of your religious doctrines by adding to scripture and taking away from scripture

 

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

Philippians 3:1-4~"Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:"

"Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord" ~ True children of faith, trusting in Jesus Christ "alone" for his righteousness are the only people on this earth that truly can rejoice in Lord Jesus Christ, the surety of God's elect. Others, say, who is the Lord that I should obey him as said Pharaoh?

Exodus 5:2​

“And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.”

But, he did indeed meet him, and found out who the LORD was. Religious folks trusting in themselves believing they have the power to do spiritual acts pleasing to God, do not truly rejoice in the Lord, but in themselves much like you do.

Luke 18:11,12​

“The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.”

You stand daily and say, I'm not like you, "Red" ~ I do not listen to other voice, but I do this, that, etc. You and Kenneth Copeland, etc., do, but not "me". Well, I confess I'm a sinner, and daily in need of the mercy of God, and apart from his grace, bestowed on me for Jesus' sake, I would deserve whatever the chief of sinner deserves, nothing less, as much, if not more.

Romans 7:24​

“O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.”

This is so after regeneration, but more so before! So, yes we can and should rejoice in the Lord, and in him alone!

1 Corinthians 1:30,31​

“But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.”

Philippians 3:2~“Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.”​

So, Studyman, who would best fit these three groups that the apostle Paul warned children of God of to beware of? Your teachings or mine?

Paul said they are of the concision, or, men still living under the law, but trying to include grace, but their main objection is to exalt the flesh and boasting about what the flesh can do, without God first creating a new man within the sinner, based upon what Christ did for the elect sinner. Is this not you? Yes, or, no? It is indeed your gospel, one that Paul put a curse upon.

Philippians 3:3~"For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh"

One cannot worship God in spirit and truth, without first forsaking all confidence in their flesh, "all" confidence! So, I ask you do you teach and believe that the sinner can come to Christ in his natural flesh without God first quickening him to life? If you do, then you are one of those men that Paul said to beware of.

Paul said: "For we are the circumcision"~ those who teach salvation from sin and condemnation, (regeneration/born again,) is the sovereign work of the Spirit of God alone, are truly of the true circumcision, a circumcision done without hands!

Colossians 2:11​

“In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:”

Do you teach this truth, if not, then you are of the concision regardless what you may say otherwise. Mixing law with a little grace, just enough to deceive folks.

Coming back to do more on Philippians 3.

 

[Hosanna]

In [this] freedom Christ has made us free [and completely liberated us]; stand fast then, and do not be hampered and held ensnared and submit again to a yoke of slavery [which you have once put off].
GALATIANS 5:1

As our relationship with God matures, we will find ourself living less by rules and regulations and more by the desires of your heart. As you learn more of the Word, you will find His desires filling your heart, and it will be easier for you to discern God’s will. God wants you to know His heart well enough that you will want to follow the prompting, leading, and guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Once you are free in Christ, stand fast in that liberty and do not become ensnared with legalism, which is the yoke of bondage you have put off. God wants to bring you into a new place, a place full of freedom to follow your heart.

 

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

I am not here to promote this world's religious system, not Calvinism or Adventism. There is not much difference between them.

Neither I'm I, and this thread is not about Calvinism, but those who are Sabbatarian's and all that can be connection to their system of worship ~ which can truly be boiled down to one must keep the law of God before one can be saved, saved, in the sense of, saved from their sins and condemnation, of those sins.

Acts 15:1​

“And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.”

Acts 15:24​

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”

Btw, there's a huge difference bewtween Calvinism and SDA, as much as light from darkness. But, that's not the purpose of this thread, so we will stay on course by moving on.

Salvation from sins and condemnation of those sins, are "in Jesus' faithfulness" of perfectly fulfilling the law of God in the place of those given to him by God, to saved them from their sins, not in one's works, be whatever those works must be done by those preaching another gospel, it come to us by different means, water baptism, forbidden of outward ordinances, or, doing certain of the same, etc.,.............. The scriptures are clear, the sinner is dead in trespasses and sin without spiritual strength, to deliver himself, being held captive by the devil.

the devil would have us believe the Pharisees were "legalists" defined as "excessive adherence to law". While it is true they were obsessed and zealous for the Law of the Pharisees, they full well rejected the Laws of God and taught for doctrines the Commandments of men.

More to it than what you saying, Paul said:

Romans 10:3​

“For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.”
They were in ignorant of God's righteousness that he prepared for his people through Jesus' obedience and faith, not their, so they refuse to submit to and fully trust in the redemption of what God prepared for his people's forgiveness which is through Christ alone acting as their surety. Salvation from their sins was through Christ alone, making salvation 100% of God, not works on man's part, be whatever those works are.

Romans 10:4
"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
We put our faith not in our works, but in Christ's life, death, and resurrection; those men and women who do so, alone are the one's giving true biblcal evidence that they are recipient of God's grace.

Romans 4:5​

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

"But to him that worketh not."
The Bible plan sees human cooperation and efforts the result of grace, not conditions for it! Salvation is of the LORD! We do not compromise that glorious declaration in any way at all! Faith is definitely a work – a work that God expects and requires (John 6:28,29), but it is not a legal, Jewish work of the Law, when it rests on the gracious and finished gift of God. Faith is definitely commandment keeping (1st John 3:23), but it is the acceptable evidence of justification when it is viewed as evidence of those justified by God’s grace in Christ Jesus. The works Paul condemned are works of the Law viewed as conditions for justification.

"But believeth."

The Arminian shouts, “See, faith is not a work. Can you read Paul’s words? Leave us alone!” The Calvinist shouts, “See, faith is the instrument! Can you read Paul? Leave us alone!” We reject both Arminianism and Calvinism as manmade theories about salvation that are partial in God’s word. Even though teh Calvinist are much closer to the truth. The contrast here by Paul is faith, Abraham’s faith in context, as opposed to works of Moses’ Law like circumcision and the several hundred other commandments before Joshua (4:9-15) Paul had never met an Arminian or Calvinist, so he was not defending either view of faith. He had met plenty of Jewish legalists, and he condemned their heresy on the grounds of faith. Justifying faith here is faith that believes God justifies the ungodly by grace alone. Period! We do not understate this faith. It is a tremendous evidence of powerful grace in a dead sinner.

"On him that justifieth the ungodly."

The only faith that works in this context is faith in God as Justifier of the ungodly, of wicked enemies, not in God as Justifier of the believer, of the faithful, of the obedient, etc. An Arminian’s faith generally rests on God justifying believers on the basis and/or merit of their faith produced by their free will – thus faith becomes a meritorious, conditional work. If an Arminian denies this, it is due to their own confusion about their contradictory doctrine. God justifies men by free grace through Jesus Christ’s redemptive work (3:23-26; 8:28-33). They were chosen in Christ, died for by Christ, and had Christ’s work applied by the Spirit when they were dead sinners following the devil (Ephesians 2:1-7; Titus 3:3-7, etc.)
His faith is counted for righteousness.

The identical language used of Abraham (Gen 15:6) and Phinehas (Ps 106:31) is used here for those who show their righteousness by faith in God and His Son Jesus Christ (4:23-25). Faith is the first evidence of righteousness granted by God for numerous reasons. Faith is the consequence of bestowed righteousness through Jesus Christ, not the cause thereof. (2nd Peter 1:1). Faith in God from men without understanding by nature is evidence indeed (3:11). Faith in God from men that never sought God by nature is evidence indeed (3:11). Faith in God from men that had no fear of God before their eyes is evidence (3:18).

Your posts constantly reject God's Sabbaths, and promoted the sabbath of men, namely, the sabbath of the RCC. And the entire religious system of this world is represented by you.

Paul never taught the NT believers that they were under the OT sabbaths days, no where in the NT. Why should NT Christians teach the Jewish Sabbath days and make them blinding on NT Christians, since we are not commanded to do so. We will not, nor do we have a command to do so. Neither should we judge any man that does not observe the Jewish sabbath days as a day Christians set aside to rest and concentrate as much as possible on spiritual things.

Colossians 2:16​

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:”

Paul and the Disciples kept the Gentiles away from the commandments of men that the Pharisees were teaching for doctrines, and toward God and the Laws of Moses read every Sabbath.

That's why we warn folks concerning men like you.

Your post's preaching that the First Church of God under His New His Priest never kept Passover, or the Sabbaths of the Feast of Unleavened bread, and counted correctly, 7 Sabbaths, to be gathered on Pentecost is foolishness. Even more wicked is that they would follow the Feasts of the Lord, but Not the Sabbath Commandment.

We observe the Lord's supper until he comes again, which the Lord Jesus commanded, so that we can ever keep the remembrance of his death before us always, to remind our slow hearts and ungrateful at times of what Christ did for his children.

It is true that the world didn't end after Christ rose from the dead just before Sundown on Saturday, God's Long known Holy Day, 3 days and 3 nights after HE was placed in the grave, just before Sundown on Wednesday.

After HE rose on the 7th Day, another day came to pass. "Literally, the First Day of the Week".

Wrong on both accounts! He arose the first day of the week sometime after midnight and before sun rise on the first day of he week.

Mark 16:9​

“Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.”

That's the Lord's day under the New Covenant. you are dead wrong by saying: "After HE rose on the 7th Day, another day came to pass. "Literally, the First Day of the Week". You ae going against the testimony of the Spirit of God, now whom shall we believe you or God? Not your voice.

 

[Red Baker]

Philippians 3:4-8~"Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,"

To make this short and simple, I ask you a question: "Do you sir, think you have reasons to have confidence in your sinful flesh, believing and trusting in that by your choice and power, understanding, love and zeal for God's for the truth, was the determining factor of you coming to believe in God and receiving the forgiveness of your sins, a simple yes or no, with proof of your answer from God's word?"

Remember before you give your answer, Paul has a much better resume than you, or myself, and any other person as far as that goes, that could be named. said: "If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:"

Paul outwardly life as touching God's law was blameless, simply because he failed to see the spirituality of God's law condemning even secret thoughts, and desires that was not godly working in his members, sin had deceived him, he just did not know how wicked he was by nature, because he was still dead in his sins, and truly thought he was God's child while all along sin was very much alive in his flesh, safety protected by his own deception ~it is not until we are apprehended of Christ Jesus, born of the Spirit of God, can we truly see and understand our sad state by nature which sin has brought us to apart from the free mercy of God shown to us. The Damascus Road experience brought the great apostle to a true biblical understanding of himself by nature and many others truths as they can only be understood in Christ Jesus.

I have many times over hear you boast of the fact that you made the difference in coming to Christ, not God showing you mercy in order for you to come ~ I have heard you mock God's election of grace, that made one difference of one person coming to Christ and the next not coming ~ you call it an holy lottery that you reject, because you think your flesh is your god and can save you from your sins ~when Paul said you are so wrong Mr. Studyman:

Romans 7:18​

“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.”

So, I ask you before moving on, did your so called free will made you different from the person who shall perish in the lake of fire, or is it only by God's grace that made the different from any being a rebellious sinner, or a meek follower of Jesus Christ.

Can you or myself say what Paul said: "Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,"

Teaching the doctrine of free grace without works on the part of the sinner having any part of his salvation from sin and condemnation, strips men of having any personal good about him and also sets a mark upon him of of those who still want to have confidence in their flesh, and boast about they played a part in their salvation.

Philippians 3:9 next, for us to see just how much one truly is trusting in Christ "alone", and having zero confidence in their flesh as they are by nature.

 

[Studyman]

@Studyman

Studyman, use words that I have said and then show me where I'm wrong, try to practice a little honestly if you have it in you, which you are making a believer out of me that it is not there.

Which commandment of men do I teach? Show me. Show me where I embrace such silly commandments of washing of pots and cup etc.

You are preaching that the Pharisees were promoting the Commandments of God, "don't touch, don't handle, don't taste". This is a falsehood that you promote, adopted from the prince of this world. The Pharisees were promoting the Commandments of men, not God. Their were promoting their own Traditions, not God's Judgments. Their own Righteousness they went about to establish, as they refused to Submit themselves unto the Righteousness of God, like Zacharias, Simeon, and Anna did. They didn't believe Moses or the Prophets. They "SAID" they did, but by their works, as Jesus pointed that they "Did Not".

At least this is according to Moses, the Prophets, the Jesus "of the Bible", and Paul.

I would post all the Scriptures that expose this undeniable truth, but I have already posted them and you have completely ignored them, and instead, complained be I showed you the same thing over and over and over.

The Pharisees didn't believe this truth about themselves either. To believe what Jesus actually said to and about them, would expose that these men and their fathers like them, had deceived and led many people astray, even their own children and grandchildren. So in order to preserve and protect their precious religion, they "Hid" from the Light, that is, the Word of God about themselves. Jesus speaks to this in John 3:20.

This is why you can't accept that in Acts 15, the "heavy burdens, grievous to be borne" or as the Disciples called it, the "Yoke of Bondage" that the Pharisees had placed on their Fathers and were trying to place on them, was not the "Law of Moses" as they falsely claimed.

The Disciples kept the new converts away from the Mainstream Preachers of that time, and directed them to obey the Law of Moses in some common behaviors of the Gentiles of that time, knowing, as Jesus taught the Disciples, that Moses was read every 7th Day Sabbath of God.

Acts 15: 18 Known unto God are all "his works" from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (dietary Law of Moses) and from blood. (dietary Law of Moses) 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Jesus instructed them to hear Moses, and do and observe all that he said, but not to do what the Pharisees promoted.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, "that observe and do"; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God as you falsely preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Of course the Disciples sent the Gentiles to Moses, to learn about the Righteousness of God and the Wrath of God against the ungodliness and unrighteousness of men. The Law and Prophets "IS" the Gospel of Christ, at least according to Paul.

@Studyman ~ Just a reminder that we should practice intellectual-honest tactic in this thread, keep from discouraging our readers.

Matt. 23: 2 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the "child of hell" than yourselves.

Telling a man the truth who is seeking the Righteousness of God will not discourage him. Telling a man the truth who is only interested in self justification, will offend him.

This is why you are offended.

 

[Studyman]

Quote scripture proving the devil promoted Gods law is a “yoke of bondage “

Sure Civic, that's an easy one.

Gen. 3: 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (In the day you Free yourself from the Laws of God) "then" your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

In other words, according to the prince of this world, who transforms itself into an angel of light, as long as Eve walked in God's Laws, she is in bondage to blindness and ignorance.

You made it up just like the rest of your religious doctrines by adding to scripture and taking away from scripture

Actually no, I post Scriptures, and I believe what they all say. That's how I know it was the children of the devil who placed the "Yoke of Bondage" on the necks of men, not God as you and Red Baker zealously preach to anyone who will listen.

Personally I don't believe what the talking snake said, even though it professed to know God and even quoted "some" of God's Word. But you are free to believe that God's Law was the Yoke of bondage that made Eve blind and ignorant if you want. I don't believe the Bible teaches that about God at all. But that's just me.

 

[civic]

Sure Civic, that's an easy one.

Gen. 3: 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (In the day you Free yourself from the Laws of God) "then" your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

In other words, according to the prince of this world, who transforms itself into an angel of light, as long as Eve walked in God's Laws, she is in bondage to blindness and ignorance.



Actually no, I post Scriptures, and I believe what they all say. That's how I know it was the children of the devil who placed the "Yoke of Bondage" on the necks of men, not God as you and Red Baker zealously preach to anyone who will listen.

Personally I don't believe what the talking snake said, even though it professed to know God and even quoted "some" of God's Word. But you are free to believe that God's Law was the Yoke of bondage that made Eve blind and ignorant if you want. I don't believe the Bible teaches that about God at all. But that's just me.

no you are reading your own ideas into the passage since it does not say what you are claiming with bondage.

nice try but you are twisting scripture again.

 

[Studyman]

@Studyman

You're putting spins on my words to make as though you are being exposed as a two-legged dogs that Paul told us to be beware of, unfairly ...........you want to believe you are only following such righteous saints in the scriptures, when your doctrine said otherwise. Prove that you doctrine is according to the scriptures, is not this the proper way to do dialogues with your opponents? Of course it is, but your ranting spirit is all you have to offer, for you surely do not have truth, you are following men in the scriptures being an evil worker of seeking to do what the false brethren did to the early church, "your true brethren" that you are truly following.

Acts 15:24
“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”

The Pharisees had their own Law, their own "circumcision", their own Righteousness, their own commandments, their own sabbath, even their own high days. They didn't believe in the Oracles of God, they didn't believe Moses, they had been given God's Holy, Just and Good Laws, but had rejected them so they could walk in their own religious traditions. They might have honored God with their lips, and called themselves "Children of Abraham, but by their religious works, they rejected Him.

Of course the Disciples led believers away from their religion and their Laws and traditions, just as Jesus did, and John the Baptist did, and the Prophets before them did.

All this is undeniable Biblical Truth of the Pharisees and Sadducees, confirmed by "EVERY" Word Jesus spoke to define them.

Zacharias, Simeon and Anna received the Holy Spirit, who God gives to them who obeys Him, just as HE did the First Church of God under His New High Priest on Pentecost.

I am not the only one who understands this. There are others on this very forum who know this is true. I fellowship with men every week who know this is true.

Just because your adopted religion doesn't believe in the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible", doesn't make it false. Just because this world is the enemy of God, doesn't mean I have to join them.

 

[FreeInChrist]

After HE rose on the 7th Day, another day came to pass. "Literally, the First Day of the Week".

Hey, @Studyman Helel

I have no idea where you got your information.... but your source is wrong

 

[FreeInChrist]

No FIC. The "Jews" had polluted God's Sabbaths, rejected His Judgments and were teaching for doctrines "The commandments of men". Jesus walked in, as I posted, God's Sabbath, not the "Jewish Sabbath" that HE Himself set apart and Sanctified at creation. Zacharias, Simeon, David, Shadrack, John the Baptists, these men walked in God's Sabbaths. The rebellious Jews and Pharisees walked in the "Jewish Sabbaths".

You are I were placed by God into a world with religions who have taught us since our youth that the rebellious "Jews/Pharisees" were living by and promoting God's Laws.

Just as Jesus was placed by God into the same world with religions who taught that it was against God's Sabbath Commandment to help someone on God's Sabbaths, or take a walk in fellowship with others believers and pick a blackberry to eat along the way.

Both teachings are false, and the Scriptures expose them as so. Jesus should know, given HE is the Lord of the Sabbath Days.



And yet, the Pharisees/Jews "Perceived Him as a Law breaker", and todays mainstream religions of this world, "who come in Christ's Name", preach that Jesus was a Law breaker by healing a sick person on the Sabbath, and refusing to stone the adulterous woman.

And those who strive to be "Doers" of His Sayings, and Live By" the Word's of God, as the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs, will also be perceived as lawbreakers. As Jesus teaches.

"It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?"



Why not start with who the Spirit of God said "Killed Jesus", and go from there. And then consider why Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, Faithful Jews, were not part of the Lost Sheep and knew the Christ before HE was even born, but the people who followed the commandments of men the Chief Priests and Scribes taught for doctrines didn't know and were lost.



Yes, Jesus, Peter, Stephen and others get a bad wrap by the Jewish internet sites, implying that they were Hypocrite Jew haters, "intending to bring this Christ's blood upon them".

But I understand it was only those Jews who "Professed to know God" but rejected His Commandments that they might walk in their own Laws, who killed the Prophets and Jesus.

You want to imply that men who actually believe what is written in the Law and Prophets, and the Testimony, are antisemites?

I don't believe they are.



Always remember, the DNA of a man's Blood means absolutely Nothing, ZERO. Jesus was Glorified by HIS father, not because of the DNA He was born with, but because of His Works, and His steadfast Faith and obedience to His Father.

At least this is what the Bible teaches.



My post wasn't addressed to you. Nevertheless, "You are also free to make a post promoting the "Jewish sabbath" or the "Catholic sabbath" or the "Islamic sabbath" or any other sabbath of this world's religious system if you like."

I am not promoting any sabbath. But Jesus abided by them.

You are certainly very anti-Jesus.... DO NOT DENY IT.

What did He say to Peter? Hence Peter has been referenced as the first Pope. Now if this is a true statement about Jesus building His church on Pater... then... Jesus sanctioned the RCC as early as when He was still alive.

No wonder you are not Pro-Jesus.... But I sure would be careful about who you let know about that.

Its one thing to be and anti-semite on a Christian forum.... quite another to be a racist.

 

[Studyman]

Hey, @Studyman Helel

I have no idea where you got your information.... but your source is wrong

Jesus did say that if I believed Him enough to become a "doer" of His Sayings, and not a hearer only, that I would be called the same names they called Him.

You honor me.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Jesus did say that if I believed Him enough to become a "doer" of His Sayings, and not a hearer only, that I would be called the same names they called Him.

You honor me.

Really?

Helel is a Hebrew word meaning "shining one" or "morning star," and it appears in the Bible in Isaiah 14:12, where it is often associated with the planet Venus. The term has also been translated as "Lucifer" in some versions of the Bible, reflecting its meaning as "light-bringer."

Whatever

I just knew you were a Mormon at heart.

 

[Studyman]

I am not promoting any sabbath. But Jesus abided by them.

You are certainly very anti-Jesus.... DO NOT DENY IT.

What did He say to Peter? Hence Peter has been referenced as the first Pope.

Certainly the RCC makes such a claim. But Peter was the Elder of a Church of God, under the First High Priest of God, the Jesus "of the Bible", "After the Order of Melchizedek", that Honored God in HIS Feasts of the Lord, including but not limited to Passover, the 7 Days of Unleavened bread, and counted the 7th day Sabbaths correctly to be gathered together on Pentecost. They also honored God's Judgments concerning, as Jesus said, "What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? that can be found, according to this same Jesus, by anyone Seeking the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness. The same Peter said the Pharisees killed Jesus.

Since Jesus also walked in the Same Laws and Judgments of His Father that sent Him, as Peter and the First Church of God under His New high Priest walked, I'm not sure how you can equate this to me being "Anti-Christ", because I believe the Word's Jesus said to Live By.

Nevertheless, you are free to say whatever is in your heart. Just as the mainstream preachers of Jesus time judged Him by what was in their heart.

Now if this is a true statement about Jesus building His church on Pater... then... Jesus sanctioned the RCC as early as when He was still alive.

No wonder you are not Pro-Jesus.... But I sure would be careful about who you let know about that.

Its one thing to be and anti-semite on a Christian forum.... quite another to be a racist.

I find no evidence that Peter was a racist, or antisemite, nor do I find Stephen guilty of such a thing, nor do I find Jesus guilty, even though HE Himself said;

Matt. 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That "upon you" ( Rebellious Jews and their fathers) may come "all the righteous blood" shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem", thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

You are free to imply Jesus was a Jew hater or racist if you like, or that because I believe Him, I am also a racist and Jew hater, or "Anti-Christ, or whatever the treasures of your heart bring forth.

But I will not join you in your endeavors to demean the Lord's Christ as a racist, or Jew-hater, nor will I judge men who actually believe what Jesus says, as being guilty of the Same.

Besides, if you knew the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible", you would know that a Jew is one inwardly, of the heart, in the spirit, not outwardly by the DNA he was born with, "whose praise is not of men, but of God".

Will you then Judge God as a Jew Hater or racist for His Words about them?

Is. 1: 2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me. 3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the *** his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider. 4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward. 5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. 6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

 

[Studyman]

Really?

Helel is a Hebrew word meaning "shining one" or "morning star," and it appears in the Bible in Isaiah 14:12, where it is often associated with the planet Venus. The term has also been translated as "Lucifer" in some versions of the Bible, reflecting its meaning as "light-bringer."

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I just knew you were a Mormon at heart.

I know what Helel means, and they also called Jesus a devil. I knew what you meant.

Now I'm a Mormon?

LOL, so let me get this right. Because I believe the Word's of God, and believe God knew what day of the Week the Christ, who was slain from the foundation of the world, rose from the dead, even at creation, and I believe the Christ's Words about who placed the "Yoke of Bondage" on the necks of men who trusted God in the Bible, and I understand that it was almost always men "who professed to know God" but were disobedient to Him, that persecuted God's People throughout the entire Bible, and for this I am judged by you as an Anti-Christ, a Mormon, a Racist, and an anti-semite.

Rough Crowd.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Certainly the RCC makes such a claim. But Peter was the Elder of a Church of God, under the First High Priest of God, the Jesus "of the Bible", "After the Order of Melchizedek", that Honored God in HIS Feasts of the Lord, including but not limited to Passover, the 7 Days of Unleavened bread, and counted the 7th day Sabbaths correctly to be gathered together on Pentecost. They also honored God's Judgments concerning, as Jesus said, "What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? that can be found, according to this same Jesus, by anyone Seeking the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness. The same Peter said the Pharisees killed Jesus.

Since Jesus also walked in the Same Laws and Judgments of His Father that sent Him, as Peter and the First Church of God under His New high Priest walked, I'm not sure how you can equate this to me being "Anti-Christ", because I believe the Word's Jesus said to Live By.

Nevertheless, you are free to say whatever is in your heart. Just as the mainstream preachers of Jesus time judged Him by what was in their heart.



I find no evidence that Peter was a racist, or antisemite, nor do I find Stephen guilty of such a thing, nor do I find Jesus guilty, even though HE Himself said;

I was referring to you.

Enough of this word salad. You have no clue of what you say.... You pick scriptures out of your memory then try to justify them
to what you feel are those that can mold them into the way you believe and think.

And when you run out of things to say you accuse the religion(s) of this world and time.

You do know that it was thinking just like you have that brought the NWT into being which demoted the Word from being God to just a god.

Why dont you go take some courses in Hebrew and Koine Green and also Aramaic and then come back and tell us what you learn. I suspect you will tell your profs they dont know what they are teaching and hence get yourself kicked out.

I for one am tired of it. You know what I know. But refuse to believe. YOU get to explain that to Jesus one day when you say to him Lord,Lord... and Jesus says..."I never knew you"

Matt. 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That "upon you" ( Rebellious Jews and their fathers) may come "all the righteous blood" shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem", thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

You are free to imply Jesus was a Jew hater or racist if you like, or that because I believe Him, I am also a racist and Jew hater, or "Anti-Christ, or whatever the treasures of your heart bring forth.

But I will not join you in your endeavors to demean the Lord's Christ as a racist, or Jew-hater, nor will I judge men who actually believe what Jesus says, as being guilty of the Same.

Besides, if you knew the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible", you would know that a Jew is one inwardly, of the heart, in the spirit, not outwardly by the DNA he was born with, "whose praise is not of men, but of God".

Will you then Judge God as a Jew Hater or racist for His Words about them?

Is. 1: 2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me. 3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the *** his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider. 4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward. 5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. 6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

Reporting myself

 

[Studyman]

no you are reading your own ideas into the passage since it does not say what you are claiming with bondage.

How so? How is the Serpent not telling Eve that to escape blindness and ignorance she was held in bondage to, before her sin, she must break away from that bondage, by rejecting God's instruction?

It seem pretty clear to me. But then, I don't go around implying to people that God placed impossible laws, a "Yoke of Bondage", on the necks of men who trusted HIM in the Law and Prophets.

But I understand what it means to your entire religion, if the truth is accepted that is was the "other voice" in the garden that placed the "Yoke of Bondage" in front of Eve, and it was from her own free will that she chose the Bondage of Sin and death, over the freedom of Life and righteousness that God had offered her.