White vs Barber

[TomL]

Notice folks these texts are all naritives and not didactic statements.

Tom denies Gods omniscience and is a Open Theist.

I do not deny God's omniscience and you bear false witness and are a fatalist

This post is dealing with Num 23:19

and the context you both ignore

God would not go back on his promise to bless because there were no grounds to do so such as seen

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Ezekiel 18:24–28 (KJV 1900) — 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

God is stated to repent



Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

why don't you deal with the texts and btw your claim is false as God plainly details what would cause him to change his mind in Jer 18 for example. That is a didactic statement

 

[Presby02]

I do not deny God's omniscience and you bear false witness and are a fatalist

This post is dealing with Num 23:19

and the context you both ignore

God would not go back on his promise to bless because there were no grounds to do so such as seen

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Ezekiel 18:24–28 (KJV 1900) — 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

God is stated to repent



Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

why don't you deal with the texts and btw your claim is false as God plainly details what would cause him to change his mind in Jer 18 for example. That is a didactic statement

Yes you do. If the future is open then God is not omniscient as historically understood by the church. Your a Open Theist

 

[TomL]

Yes you do. If the future is open then God is not omniscient as historically understood by the church. Your a Open Theist

Sorry if something is not a fact it cannot be known as a fact

I do not deny God's omniscience and you bear false witness and are a fatalist

This post is dealing with Num 23:19

and the context you both ignore

God would not go back on his promise to bless because there were no grounds to do so such as seen

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Ezekiel 18:24–28 (KJV 1900) — 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

God is stated to repent



Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

why don't you deal with the texts and btw your claim is false as God plainly details what would cause him to change his mind in Jer 18 for example. That is a didactic statement

and you still do not deal with them

 

[Presby02]

Sorry if something is not a fact it cannot be known as a fact

I do not deny God's omniscience and you bear false witness and are a fatalist

This post is dealing with Num 23:19

and the context you both ignore

God would not go back on his promise to bless because there were no grounds to do so such as seen

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Ezekiel 18:24–28 (KJV 1900) — 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

God is stated to repent



Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

why don't you deal with the texts and btw your claim is false as God plainly details what would cause him to change his mind in Jer 18 for example. That is a didactic statement

and you still do not deal with them

Yes you do. If the future is open to God then it's unknown. Which denies omniscience as it has been understood throughout church history. It also denies it definitionally hence you make up your own definition.

Tom embraces Open Theism

 

[TomL]

Yes you do. If the future is open to God then it's unknown. Which denies omniscience as it has been understood throughout church history. It also denies it definitionally hence you make up your own definition.

Tom embraces Open Theism

And you embrace fatalism

Given a choice between the two I will take open theism

and you still have not dealth the scriptural argument below

Sorry if something is not a fact it cannot be known as a fact

I do not deny God's omniscience and you bear false witness and are a fatalist

This post is dealing with Num 23:19

and the context you both ignore

God would not go back on his promise to bless because there were no grounds to do so such as seen

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Ezekiel 18:24–28 (KJV 1900) — 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

God is stated to repent



Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

why don't you deal with the texts and btw your claim is false as God plainly details what would cause him to change his mind in Jer 18 for example. That is a didactic statement

and you still do not deal with them

 

[Presby02]

And you embrace fatalism

Given a choice between the two I will take open theism

and you still have not dealth the scriptural argument below

Sorry if something is not a fact it cannot be known as a fact

I do not deny God's omniscience and you bear false witness and are a fatalist

This post is dealing with Num 23:19

and the context you both ignore

God would not go back on his promise to bless because there were no grounds to do so such as seen

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Ezekiel 18:24–28 (KJV 1900) — 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

God is stated to repent



Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

why don't you deal with the texts and btw your claim is false as God plainly details what would cause him to change his mind in Jer 18 for example. That is a didactic statement

and you still do not deal with them

Ahhh...here comes the topic change. Start o thread on fatalism and I will educate you yet again.

So what about the future is not fact to God? Maybe your salvation? LOL

 

[TomL]

Ahhh...here comes the topic change. Start o thread on fatalism and I will educate you yet again.

So what about the future is not fact to God? Maybe your salvation? LOL

You cannot even educate yourself let aloneanyone else

nd you embrace fatalism

Given a choice between the two I will take open theism

and you still have not dealth the scriptural argument below

Sorry if something is not a fact it cannot be known as a fact

I do not deny God's omniscience and you bear false witness and are a fatalist

This post is dealing with Num 23:19

and the context you both ignore

God would not go back on his promise to bless because there were no grounds to do so such as seen

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Ezekiel 18:24–28 (KJV 1900) — 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

God is stated to repent



Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

why don't you deal with the texts and btw your claim is false as God plainly details what would cause him to change his mind in Jer 18 for example. That is a didactic statement

and you still do not deal with them

 

[Presby02]

You cannot even educate yourself let aloneanyone else

nd you embrace fatalism

Given a choice between the two I will take open theism

and you still have not dealth the scriptural argument below

Sorry if something is not a fact it cannot be known as a fact

I do not deny God's omniscience and you bear false witness and are a fatalist

This post is dealing with Num 23:19

and the context you both ignore

God would not go back on his promise to bless because there were no grounds to do so such as seen

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Ezekiel 18:24–28 (KJV 1900) — 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

God is stated to repent



Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

why don't you deal with the texts and btw your claim is false as God plainly details what would cause him to change his mind in Jer 18 for example. That is a didactic statement

and you still do not deal with them

And you a Open Theist Pelagian

What about the future does God not know as fact Tom?
Must be something if the future is open as you claim.

 

[TomL]

And you a Open Theist Pelagian

What about the future does God not know as fact Tom?
Must be something if the future is open as you claim.

And you a gnostic fatalist who cannot deal with scriptural arguments

You cannot even educate yourself let aloneanyone else

nd you embrace fatalism

Given a choice between the two I will take open theism

and you still have not dealth the scriptural argument below

Sorry if something is not a fact it cannot be known as a fact

I do not deny God's omniscience and you bear false witness and are a fatalist

This post is dealing with Num 23:19

and the context you both ignore

God would not go back on his promise to bless because there were no grounds to do so such as seen

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Ezekiel 18:24–28 (KJV 1900) — 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

God is stated to repent



Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

why don't you deal with the texts and btw your claim is false as God plainly details what would cause him to change his mind in Jer 18 for example. That is a didactic statement

and you still do not deal with them

and as God was free to create or not create at a moment of his existence creation was open

As God give men the ability to avoid a temptation then that also would be open

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

and

Romans 11:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

as it is is up to them wether they remain in unbelief that question would also be open

 

[Presby02]

And you a gnostic fatalist who cannot deal with scriptural arguments

You cannot even educate yourself let aloneanyone else

nd you embrace fatalism

Given a choice between the two I will take open theism

and you still have not dealth the scriptural argument below

Sorry if something is not a fact it cannot be known as a fact

I do not deny God's omniscience and you bear false witness and are a fatalist

This post is dealing with Num 23:19

and the context you both ignore

God would not go back on his promise to bless because there were no grounds to do so such as seen

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Ezekiel 18:24–28 (KJV 1900) — 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

God is stated to repent



Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

why don't you deal with the texts and btw your claim is false as God plainly details what would cause him to change his mind in Jer 18 for example. That is a didactic statement

and you still do not deal with them

and as God was free to create or not create at a moment of his existence creation was open

As God give men the ability to avoid a temptation then that also would be open

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

and

Romans 11:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

as it is is up to them wether they remain in unbelief that question would also be open

You should take it, you are one. Lol

If the future is open then you deny omniscience.

Tom is a Open Theist.

Easy. The Bible is clear, God is not a man that He should lie or CHANGE HIS MIND.

 

[TomL]

You should take it, you are one. Lol

If the future is open then you deny omniscience.

Tom is a Open Theist.

Easy. The Bible is clear, God is not a man that He should lie or CHANGE HIS MIND.

You ignored context and argument

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/white-vs-barber.1970/post-106349

Back to White

White stated

Barber had a prepared opening, a prepared conclusion, and prepared rebuttals

According to White a prepared opening is ok. The rest was not

Thus White was in fact arguing Barber was too prepared

So if you are honest about it, what I stated is fact

 

[civic]

Actually it says God is not a man. Speaking of reading comprehension. LOL

God is a man . Are you denying Jesus is God ?

 

[Presby02]

God is a man . Are you denying Jesus is God ?

God is not a man that He should lie or change his mind..

Malachi 3:6 "I am the Lord, I change not."

Psalm 102:27 " But you are always the same, you will live forever."

Psalm 110:4 "The Lord has sworn and you will not change His mind."

 

[civic]

God is not a man that He should lie or change his mind..

Malachi 3:6 "I am the Lord, I change not."

Psalm 102:27 " But you are always the same, you will live forever."

Psalm 110:4 "The Lord has sworn and you will not change His mind."

God changed to a man it’s called the Incarnation. God was not a man prior.

Next fallacy

 

[civic]

Doctrine can blind people to he obvious truth

Change definition @Presby02
noun

1. 1.
   the act or instance of making or becoming different.
   
   
   
   

 

[Presby02]

God changed to a man it’s called the Incarnation. God was not a man prior.

Next fallacy

His essence and character did not however.

My proof texts are left unanswered

 

[Presby02]

Doctrine can blind people to he obvious truth

Change definition @Presby02
noun

1. 1.
   the act or instance of making or becoming different.
   
   

Oxford dictionary: used as a verb, " to make different, altar or modify"

"to replace with something else, especially of the same kind or something that is newer or better.

Used as a noun: " the act or instance or making or becoming different."

 

[TomL]

I did not say God lies. LOL I said if God is not a man that He changes His mind or lie yet some claim He changes His mind then does He also lie. Try a little reading comprehension. Think before you speak

Only if you fail to read the text in context. Ignoring the fact it deals with certain specifics and assume it is an absolute statement

and then as you ignore argument as just assume your interpretation

God repents

And as informed Jer 18:7, 8 is a didactic text

God is stated to repent

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

also

Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;



God noted as not repenting

 

[TomL]

God is not a man that He should lie or change his mind..

Malachi 3:6 "I am the Lord, I change not."

Psalm 102:27 " But you are always the same, you will live forever."

Psalm 110:4 "The Lord has sworn and you will not change His mind."

God repents

God is stated to repent

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

also

Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;

God experiences Cambridge changes and acquires accidental properties

He went from not a Creator to a Creator

He went from not a savior to a savior

Went from a non-incarnate state to a incarnate state in the son

etc

BTW Will not in a specific instance is not an absolute will never change his mind as my reference show

 

[Presby02]

Only if you fail to read the text in context. Ignoring the fact it deals with certain specifics and assume it is an absolute statement

and then as you ignore argument as just assume your interpretation

God repents

And as informed Jer 18:7, 8 is a didactic text

God is stated to repent

Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

also

Gen 6:6,7; Exo 32:12, 14; Deut 32:36 ; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam 15:11, 29, 35; 2 Sam 24:16; 1 Chr 21:15; Psa 106:45; Jer 15:6; 18, 10; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 4:2;



God noted as not repenting

No context has been provided.

God says He is not a man that He should lie nor CHANGE HIS MIND.

Tom is a Open Theist and I can prove it with one question which he will dodge.

Tom, has God always known He would change His mind?

Now Tom will dodge and attempt to change the topic. Wait for it.