When You See JERUSALEM Surrounded By Armies, Luke 21

[Red Baker]

@synergy

You left the mainline Baptists because of their premillennialism view?

I would not call modern day fundamentalism Baptist churches the mainline Baptist of four to five hundred years ago, not even close ~ except for name only, you could not tell them different from the average Pentecostals, and many other groups.

That doesn't explain how you gravitated to the particular Baptists and became calvinistic in your beliefs.

Most churches, and I say most, were very Calvinist in their teaching back three hundred years ago, from the Baptist, Congregationalist, Church of England, Even Methodist (George Whitefield) along with the Wesley's started Methodism. A lot of little Chapels with no name were Calvinist in their teachings. This is not the case any more, in this age of apostasy.

 

[synergy]

@synergy

I would not call modern day fundamentalism Baptist churches the mainline Baptist of four to five hundred years ago, not even close ~ except for name only, you could not tell them different from the average Pentecostals, and many other groups.

Most churches, and I say most, were very Calvinist in their teaching back three hundred years ago, from the Baptist, Congregationalist, Church of England, Even Methodist (George Whitefield) along with the Wesley's started Methodism. A lot of little Chapels with no name were Calvinist in their teachings. This is not the case any more, in this age of apostasy.

So you do like history. You issued out derogatory remarks about history several times. You previously said that "history is written by victors, and is always twisted and perverted in their favor". Now this history is ok for you because it aligns with your desires, I see.

Anyways, it's good that the mainline Baptists have woken up to the blatant errors of calvinism and I hope you do the same. That's the history you should explore.

 

[Red Baker]

@synergy

So you do like history.

Religious, not secular, especially so Josephus' Wars of the Jews, as folks labor to read his works and force and twist the scriptures to agree with his writings ~ and yes, that type of history is written by victors and his writings indeed twisted and perverted in their favor, that's the nature of the beast, and in this case, the beast of Revelation 13 to more conceal his true identity, and it has work!

Anyways, it's good that the mainline Baptists have woken up to the blatant errors of calvinism

Modern day Baptist churches are part of the problem, that the mustard seed has grown into the largest of all tree and is now the lodging place for the birds of the air........ A.K.A. evil spirits!

Matthew 13:31,32​

“Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.”

Revelation 18:2​

“And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.”

They as a whole have left the true grace of God, and have a system of works that folks like you can embrace and feel comfortable holding, but four to five hundred years ago, you could not have hidden in the churches preaching and teaching what you now believe and teach, you would have been expose as a false prophet and rejected as the same.

 

[synergy]

@synergy

Religious, not secular,

So you do like religious history. That includes the entire Early Christian Church that believed in the God-given ability of man to believe the Gospel through Volitional Free Choice.

Modern day Baptist churches are part of the problem, that the mustard seed has grown into the largest of all tree and is now the lodging place for the birds of the air........ A.K.A. evil spirits!

Matthew 13:31,32​

“Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.”

Of course you would call "evil spirits" those who lodge in the tree that represents the Kingdom of God. Your distaste of the Kingdom of God is blatantly obvious for all to see.

Revelation 18:2​

“And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.”

They as a whole have left the true grace of God, and have a system of works that folks like you can embrace and feel comfortable holding, but four to five hundred years ago, you could not have hidden in the churches preaching and teaching what you now believe and teach, you would have been expose as a false prophet and rejected as the same.

Thank God those Calvinist Apostate days are long gone!

 

[Red Baker]

@synergy

So you do like religious history. That includes the entire Early Christian Church that believed in the God-given ability of man to believe the Gospel through Volitional Free Choice.

Neither Christ nor his apostles taught that lie, but the early church father-so-called did. Which only fulfilled Paul's warning:

Acts 20:29​

“For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.”

 

[synergy]

@synergy

Neither Christ nor his apostles taught that lie, but the early church father-so-called did. Which only fulfilled Paul's warning:

Acts 20:29​

“For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.”

Those are the Calvinists, the JWs, and all those who wish to distort the Gospel.

A perfect example of Gospel distortion is when you called "evil spirits" those who lodge in the tree that represents the Kingdom of God. Your distaste of the Kingdom of God is blatantly obvious for all to see.

 

[DavidTree]

@Selah


A spiritual resurrection takes place at regeneration/new birth; (John 5:25; Ephesians 2:1; etc.) a physical bodily resurrection take place at the last day per Jesus Christ.

John 5:28​

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

1st Thessalonians 4:14​

“For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

God will bring our souls/spirits and unite them to our new gloried resurrected bodies.

@Selah


A spiritual resurrection takes place at regeneration/new birth; (John 5:25; Ephesians 2:1; etc.) a physical bodily resurrection take place at the last day per Jesus Christ.

John 5:28​

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

1st Thessalonians 4:14​

“For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

God will bring our souls/spirits and unite them to our new gloried resurrected bodies.

Waiting for your response to your accusations:

You have to specify what the "confusion" is that you think i am in - otherwise you are grasping for air
AND
what's your claim to my supposed "ignorance" ???

What you are currently doing is a dance inside your head, claiming 'insight' for yourself but with nothing more to say then that which is already contained in 1 Cor chapter 15 = which is straight-forward and easy to understand.