What you've become "IN Christ": is not a work you do.

IN your first verse, Jesus is talking to Old Testament Jews, under the Law of Moses.
Is that you?
As if you are a Christian, then you are a New Testament Son of God, "Not under the LAW, but under Grace".
Indeed, Christ was teaching the Gospel message teaching OT, which it stated was a light to the Gentiles, which is the Gospel that he prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14), and which is the Gospel that he commissioned his disciples to bring to the nations (Matthew 28:16-20).

Why does it make sense to you to interpret the Bible as saying that followers of Christ shouldn't follow what Christ taught? Why does it make sense to you to interpret God's word as speaking against obeying God's word?

Again, in Jeremiah 31;33, the New Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so why do you want to become part of the New Covenant while wanting nothing to do with following its terms?

While I agree that we are not under law, but under grace, Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law other than the Law of God, such as the law of sin and works of the law, so it is important to correctly identify which law he was referring to us not being under. For example, in Romans 7:25, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and I made the case that Romans 6:14 should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin rather than the Law of God.

In your 2nd verse.... Paul is teaching that the RIGHTEOUS....... shall LIVE..... by Faith.

That is to be born again,, because God has accepted your FAITH,... "Faith is counted as RIGHTEOUSNESS", and God then gives this BELIEVER< the "new Birth, and they become a "new Creation IN CHRIST".
Habakkuk 2:4 was written as by someone who was under the Mosaic Covenant, so why does it make sense to you that living by faith is a rejection of the Mosaic Covenant rather than in accordance with it, especially when Habakkuk 2 contrasts those who live by faith with those who do not obey the Mosaic Law? Moreover, in Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is the Mosaic Law, so the righteous living by faith does not refer to a manner of living that is not in obedience to it. It is contradictory to think that we should have faith in God, but not have faith in what He has instructed.
 
The moral law, which is summarized in the Ten Commandments, is indeed binding on you today, dear Christian! The commandments were given to us and for us. They were given to help us live a blessed life that is good for us and is glorifying to your God!

The Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. None of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Galatians 3:23–25 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.

Ephesians 2:15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

We are under the law of Christ , which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” Galatians 6:2

Old Testament law can point us to and give us an understanding of the law of Christ.
 
The moral law, which is summarized in the Ten Commandments, is indeed binding on you today, dear Christian! The commandments were given to us and for us. They were given to help us live a blessed life that is good for us and is glorifying to your God!
The Bible never lists which laws are part of the moral law and never even refers to that as being a category of law. The category of moral law implies that we can be acting morally while disobeying the laws that aren't In that category, however, there are no examples in the Bible of this. Rather, morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. Every legislator gives laws according to what they think ought to be done and no one knows better than God what ought to be done, so for someone to claim that some of God's laws are not moral laws is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws, which is also claiming to have greater moral knowledge than God. The Bible does not distinguish between which of God's laws help us live a blessed life that is good for us and is glorifying to God.

The Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. None of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law.
The New Covenant was only given to the house of Judah and the house of Israel and it involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:31-33), so be careful about what you want to say is only for Israel.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, which he prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14). Furthermore, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and being a Christian is about following what Christ taught.

Jesus did not go to the cross in order to negate everything he spent his ministry teaching. In Titus 2:14, it does say that Jesus gave himself to end God's law, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20) while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us form is the way to reject everything he accomplished through his ministry and through the cross.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he might know Him and Israel too, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing God and Jesus is the goal of the law, which is eternal life (John 17:3).

In Romans 9:30-10:4, they had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as though righteousness were the result of their works in order to establish their own rather than pursuing it as through righteousness is by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith references Deuteronomy 30:11-16 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that God's law is not too difficult to obey, that obedience to it brings life, in regard to what we are submitting to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God rose Jesus from the dead (Titus 2:14). So nothing in this passage has anything to do with ending God's law, but just the opposite.

Galatians 3:23–25 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.
God's law leads us to Christ because it teaches us how to know Him, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can reject what he taught and go back to living in sin. In Galatians 3:16-19, a newer covenant does not nullify the promises of an older covenant that has already been ratified, so it does not nullify the promises connected with obeying God's law. Moreover, in Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God, through faith, in Christ, children of Abraham, and heirs to the promise is all directly connected to living in obedience to God's law. In 1 John 3:10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not children of God, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law, in 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, and in John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him.

Ephesians 2:15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,
All of God's righteous laws are eternal while Ephesians 2:15 is referring to a law that is not eternal, therefore it is not referring to God's law. In Ephesians 2:10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so it wouldn't make sense to think think that a few verses later Jesus set aside God's eternal instructions for how to do good works. God did not make any mistakes when He gave His law, so He had no need to set aside His own laws. God also did not give any laws for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves. In Ephesians 2:12-19, it is speaking about Gentiles becoming part of Israel and the covenants of promise, not about rejecting Israel and setting aside the covenants of promise. The Greek word "dogma" refers to something other than the Law of God in all of the other times that it used by the NT, so justification needs to be given for why its use in Ephesians 2:15 should be interpreted as referring to the Law of God.

We are under the law of Christ , which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” Galatians 6:2
God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, so the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. It wouldn't make sense to think that the Law of Christ is something other than or contrary to the law that Christ spent his ministry teaching by word and by example. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus said that all of the other commandments hang on the greatest two commandments, so they are all connected, which means that if you think that the greatest two commandments should be obeyed then you should also think that all of the other commandments that hang on them should also be obeyed.

Old Testament law can point us to and give us an understanding of the law of Christ.
The Mosaic Law points to Christ and we should live in a way that points to Christ by obeying it rather than a way that points away from him.
 
1.) If a believer is "sinning and confessing"..... then they don't understand the Cross of Christ or the Blood Atonement, or the New Covenant, yet.

So, that is the "natural mind" not understanding the 'new Covenant".. or the Grace of God, or being = "made righteous".

If i say that all the born again should think of themselves as this..........as Paul teaches...

= ""I am the Righteousness of God...In Christ""........then their carnal mind will think.....>>"how can i DO that".??..<<??

They will think of " doing it", because their un-renewed mind does not understand = "NEW CREATION"..."IN CHRIST"< Is not what you DO.
Its who you have eternally become,already... as = born again.
See, being now "the Temple of Holy Spirit" is not something you do for yourself.

2.) When a person is born again, they have literally been born again by the Holy Spirit of God, into the Holy Spirit of God. = '"one with God". "In Christ".

"God is A Spirit". and the CHRISTian is "born again" = spiritually.

The reason this is also know as "IN Christ" is because Jesus is God manifested in the Flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16


By being born again....They are now IN the Kingdom of God. They exist "in Christ"..."""seated in heavenly places"""", as "ONE with God".

And...While still on this earth, the born again exist as.. = "As Christ is...so are the born again, in...this...world".


A.)
This isn't mental ascension or "behavior modification self makeover",.... Reader

As That stuff is taught by self righteous fakirs who dont understand being 'Made Righteous" is not what you do, its this..."The New Creation, in Christ" is the result of being born again.

And....regarding the born again.... They are literally become a "NEW CREATION"....located in the 3rd Heaven, while still down here typing on a phone or keyboard, inside a body that is "dead because of sin"... that will be replaced sooner than you think.

Are you ready to meet the Lord ??

A.) Stay ready.


The un-renewed mind can't see any of that eternal reality, and exists as... the mind of the flesh.... the carnal minded believer.

This means they will try to explain being born again, exactly as an unbeliever would try to explain it.
This means they will try to exist as a Christian, exactly as an unbeliever would try to DO it, as in both cases neither understand having become "a new creation, in Christ", as "the Righteousness of God, in Christ".
the fact the natural mind
is there to think anything
either way
at all


means

that saving is not complete
until He gets us out of here
at rapture
and we are no more
in the flesh body



the 'we are saved already'
and it's all done is a grave error
 
After the Cross was raised the OT (Moses) Covenant was replaced by the NEW Covenant = New Testament.

The NT now teaches us that if you try to be RIGHTEOUS before God, by "LAW" you are "under a Curse".

This is you., Soyeong.

Read Carefully.
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New International Version
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

New Living Translation
But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.”

English Standard Version
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Berean Standard Bible
All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

Berean Literal Bible
For as many as are of works of the Law are under a curse, for it has been written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue all things having been written in the book of the Law, to do them."

King James Bible
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

New King James Version
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

New American Standard Bible
For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.”

NASB 1995
For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM.”

NASB 1977
For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM.”

Legacy Standard Bible
For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse, for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.”

Amplified Bible
For all who depend on the Law [seeking justification and salvation by obedience to the Law and the observance of rituals] are under a curse; for it is written, “CURSED (condemned to destruction) IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, SO AS TO PRACTICE THEM.”

Christian Standard Bible
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, Everyone who does not do everything written in the book of the law is cursed.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written: Everyone who does not continue doing everything written in the book of the law is cursed.

American Standard Version
For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continueth not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them.

the vision was sealed
that is the sin situation...
to follow the corrupt scroll.

the same i am telling you was said to the people by the prophets
and they Ignored
the prophets.

the covenant is to return to eden paradise.
...this earth and body are Egypt .

the viewpoint
"i love my fleshbody and i'm saved already"
is a false paradigm.

All around you,
this earth
this body
the corrupt kjv scroll

all of this you and most here
subscribe to
is because of adam
 
t

that saving is not complete
until He gets us out of here

You can't become more "saved" then to become Born again, "In Christ", and "One with God".

Is there more to come regarding the purchased Redemption that is our Salvation, paid for by the Cross of Christ ?
Yes.
There is the new Body.
There is the "conformed into the image of Christ".
Ect...

But, our SALVATION, is Christ on the Cross, and that was completed 2000 yrs ago by the SAVIOR.
If we are born again, then we Already HAVE what HE completed as the finished work of Jesus on The Cross.
 
one more question, is not the atonement for SINS that are PAST? Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

now, what about the sins of the future while in Christ?

101G.

Romans 3:25, "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

The above passage is one that is commonly misunderstood. Many make the assumption that this verse is stating that when a person applies the blood of Christ to their hearts by faith, it is only their past sins that have been blotted out. But is this actually the case? I agree with the perspective that is provided in the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary :

"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation" — or "propitiatory sacrifice."
through faith in his blood — Some of the best interpreters, observing that "faith upon" is the usual phrase in Greek, not "faith in" Christ, would place a "comma" after "faith," and understand the words as if written thus: "to be a propitiation, in His blood, through faith." But "faith in Christ" is used in Galatians 3:26 and Ephesians 1:15; and "faith in His blood" is the natural and appropriate meaning here.

"to declare his righteousness for the remission" — rather, "pretermission" or "passing by."

of sins—"the sins."

"that are past" — not the sins committed by the believer before he embraces Christ, but the sins committed under the old economy, before Christ came to "put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."

"through the forbearance of God" — God not remitting but only forbearing to punish them, or passing them by, until an adequate atonement for them should be made. In thus not imputing them, God was righteous, but He was not seen to be so; there was no "manifestation of His righteousness" in doing so under the ancient economy. But now that God can "set forth" Christ as a "propitiation for sin through faith in His blood," the righteousness of His procedure in passing by the sins of believers before, and in now remitting them, is "manifested," declared, brought fully out to the view of the whole world. (Our translators have unfortunately missed this glorious truth, taking "the sins that are past" to mean the past sins of believers—committed before faith—and rendering, by the word "remission," what means only a "passing by"; thus making it appear that "remission of sins" is "through the forbearance of God," which it certainly is not)"

A believer does not over the course of their life [progressively] become "more forgiven". When a believer confesses their sin to God, He doesn't make them "more forgiven" than they already were. In other words, He is not forgiving them of something "new" that He didn't cover when they first believed on Jesus' substitutional atoning work for their righteous standing before Him.

All of their sins... past, present, future ... from the beginning to the end of their lives have already been paid in full [pre-paid] by virtue of Christ's once for all sacrifice.[Hebrews 10:10-14]. Although ongoing confession of sin may be characteristic of believers, and may play a role pertaining to their experiential [progressive] sanctification ... the performance of it cannot, and does not, add or subtract from their [previously] God-granted righteous standing.
 
Romans 3:25, "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

The above passage is one that is commonly misunderstood. Many make the assumption that this verse is stating that when a person applies the blood of Christ to their hearts by faith, it is only their past sins that have been blotted out. But is this actually the case? I agree with the perspective that is provided in the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary :

"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation" — or "propitiatory sacrifice."
through faith in his blood — Some of the best interpreters, observing that "faith upon" is the usual phrase in Greek, not "faith in" Christ, would place a "comma" after "faith," and understand the words as if written thus: "to be a propitiation, in His blood, through faith." But "faith in Christ" is used in Galatians 3:26 and Ephesians 1:15; and "faith in His blood" is the natural and appropriate meaning here.

"to declare his righteousness for the remission" — rather, "pretermission" or "passing by."

of sins—"the sins."

"that are past" — not the sins committed by the believer before he embraces Christ, but the sins committed under the old economy, before Christ came to "put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."

"through the forbearance of God" — God not remitting but only forbearing to punish them, or passing them by, until an adequate atonement for them should be made. In thus not imputing them, God was righteous, but He was not seen to be so; there was no "manifestation of His righteousness" in doing so under the ancient economy. But now that God can "set forth" Christ as a "propitiation for sin through faith in His blood," the righteousness of His procedure in passing by the sins of believers before, and in now remitting them, is "manifested," declared, brought fully out to the view of the whole world. (Our translators have unfortunately missed this glorious truth, taking "the sins that are past" to mean the past sins of believers—committed before faith—and rendering, by the word "remission," what means only a "passing by"; thus making it appear that "remission of sins" is "through the forbearance of God," which it certainly is not)"

A believer does not over the course of their life [progressively] become "more forgiven". When a believer confesses their sin to God, He doesn't make them "more forgiven" than they already were. In other words, He is not forgiving them of something "new" that He didn't cover when they first believed on Jesus' substitutional atoning work for their righteous standing before Him.

All of their sins... past, present, future ... from the beginning to the end of their lives have already been paid in full [pre-paid] by virtue of Christ's once for all sacrifice.[Hebrews 10:10-14]. Although ongoing confession of sin may be characteristic of believers, and may play a role pertaining to their experiential [progressive] sanctification ... the performance of it cannot, and does not, add or subtract from their [previously] God-granted righteous standing.
if that's the case why do we need a advocate? or a Mediator, or a Comforter? 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

now, this, the next verse. 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." NOW WHERE WAS SIN CONDEMN AT? Romans 8:3 "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:" question, are you in your NEW BODY YET?

PICJAG, 101G.
 
if that's the case why do we need a advocate? or a Mediator, or a Comforter? 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

now, this, the next verse. 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." NOW WHERE WAS SIN CONDEMN AT? Romans 8:3 "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:" question, are you in your NEW BODY YET?

PICJAG, 101G.

You said, "if that's the case why do we need a advocate? or a Mediator, or a Comforter?"

Well, we know we don't need any of those every time we sin as believers as it pertains to our justified standing before God. Otherwise, every time we sin ... then successfully confess and repent, that would mean that we are "born again again." So, suppose I sinned 7 times yesterday, and confess and repented 7 times ... that would mean I got born again/saved 7 times yesterday alone ... do you see how ridiculous such thinking actually is? Do you really suppose that believers get saved perhaps 1000's or even hundreds of thousand times during the course of their Christian walk? ... my guess would be that you don't. Hebrews 6 tells us that it is impossible for genuine believers to be regenerated more than once.
 
What I've become in Christ is definitely not a work that I could possibly ever do. My way never works... God's way always works.
 
"that are past" — not the sins committed by the believer before he embraces Christ, but the sins committed under the old economy, before Christ came to "put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."
101G cannot agree with that. he, God condemned sin in the flesh. (Romans 8:3 "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:" Romans 8:4 "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." ).

confession of sins is for the believer, (who might not walk after Spirit all the time, while growing up), not the sinner. the sinner when he, or she come to Christ do not confess their sins in order to get save from, (sins that are past), NO, the Only thing God requires of a sinner is to confess his Son Jesus to be Saved. this is why the propitiation was made of sins PASTS. once the acceptance of the Lord Jesus as One savior, we're NEWBORN BABES, in Christ growing up in him. and newborn babes make MISTAKES.... "SIN". 101G has never ... EVER seen a NEWBORN out of it mother womb ... WALKING. hence the need for HELP. and INTERSESSOR..... hello. and a MEDIATOR.....

God never requires a sinner to confess their sins, (that are PAST), to be saved. no, never, that's why God shows his Righteousness, in Romans 3:25, by blotting out the sinner sins that are past. because some of us cannot remember what we was doing last week, not even a year ago and we could have been sinning, and if we didn't confess it we're lost? NO. God knows this. that's why he blots out our sins that are past. ONLY thing the sinner do is CONFESS THE LORD JESUS AS HIS OR HER SAVIOUR. afterward walk in NEWNESS of LIFE.

confession of sin is for believers......... if, if, if, they sin...1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. (THAT'S THE POINT, "NOT TO SIN", BUT IF ONE DO), And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

THIS IS WHY WE, (BELIEVERS), NEED AN ADVOCATE.

PICJAG, 101G.
 
101G cannot agree with that. he, God condemned sin in the flesh. (Romans 8:3 "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:" Romans 8:4 "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." ).

confession of sins is for the believer, (who might not walk after Spirit all the time, while growing up), not the sinner. the sinner when he, or she come to Christ do not confess their sins in order to get save from, (sins that are past), NO, the Only thing God requires of a sinner is to confess his Son Jesus to be Saved. this is why the propitiation was made of sins PASTS. once the acceptance of the Lord Jesus as One savior, we're NEWBORN BABES, in Christ growing up in him. and newborn babes make MISTAKES.... "SIN". 101G has never ... EVER seen a NEWBORN out of it mother womb ... WALKING. hence the need for HELP. and INTERSESSOR..... hello. and a MEDIATOR.....

God never requires a sinner to confess their sins, (that are PAST), to be saved. no, never, that's why God shows his Righteousness, in Romans 3:25, by blotting out the sinner sins that are past. because some of us cannot remember what we was doing last week, not even a year ago and we could have been sinning, and if we didn't confess it we're lost? NO. God knows this. that's why he blots out our sins that are past. ONLY thing the sinner do is CONFESS THE LORD JESUS AS HIS OR HER SAVIOUR. afterward walk in NEWNESS of LIFE.

confession of sin is for believers......... if, if, if, they sin...1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. (THAT'S THE POINT, "NOT TO SIN", BUT IF ONE DO), And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

THIS IS WHY WE, (BELIEVERS), NEED AN ADVOCATE.

PICJAG, 101G.

So, am I correct when I say that you believe that some blood-bought, born again believers will lose their salvation and perish eternally in the Lake of Fire? And, if so, how do you know you won't be one of them? Also, you cannot logically state that you know that you will go to Heaven when you die ... there is simply no way that you can possess that assurance holding to that belief.

How can a person possibly rest in Christ when they are stuck in such an anxious and confused state of mind? ... that is, one that includes the supposition of existing in a self-proclaimed probationary period that doesn't end until their final breath in this world? In other words, their eternal destiny is yet in jeopardy. Does that really sound like the finished work of Christ to you? ... that is, what He has accomplished for all those who have believed on, and received the benefits of His substitutionary atonement solely by trusting in it.
 
So, am I correct when I say that you believe that some blood-bought, born again believers will lose their salvation and perish eternally in the Lake of Fire? And, if so, how do you know you won't be one of them?
NO, you're not correct there. "And, if so, how do you know you won't be one of them?" let 101G bring you into the KNOWLEDGE of a "BINDING CONTRACT/COVENANT". this is why 101G will not be one of them.

Genesis 49:10 "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." Genesis 49:11 "Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ***'s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:" Genesis 49:12 "His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk."

you have no understanding of what was said there .... do U? Oh yes, it's about you SALVATION..... :oops: YIKES!

PICJAG, 101G.

101G.
 
NO, you're not correct there. "And, if so, how do you know you won't be one of them?" let 101G bring you into the KNOWLEDGE of a "BINDING CONTRACT/COVENANT". this is why 101G will not be one of them.

Genesis 49:10 "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." Genesis 49:11 "Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ***'s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:" Genesis 49:12 "His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk."

you have no understanding of what was said there .... do U? Oh yes, it's about you SALVATION..... :oops: YIKES!

PICJAG, 101G.

101G.

You said, "you have no understanding of what was said there .... do U?"

Apparently not ... I thought you opposed the OSAS doctrine ... so am I wrong?
 
You said, "you have no understanding of what was said there .... do U?"

Apparently not ... I thought you opposed the OSAS doctrine ... so am I wrong?

You stated, "NO, you're not correct there. "And, if so, how do you know you won't be one of them?" let 101G bring you into the KNOWLEDGE of a "BINDING CONTRACT/COVENANT". this is why 101G will not be one of them."

I never said said that you will be one of them. Instead, I simply asked the question, "how do you know that you won't be one of them?".
 
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