What the law can not tell you

[praise_yeshua]

There are many people that will tell you various requirements needed to be a "children of God". Everyone seems to have their own "spin" on the matter. Some would have you believe that the law can tell if you're a child or God or not. Just keep these "rules" and everything will be okay....

Huge problem. They don't keep their own rules. They never do. Never. The law can not tell you if you're a child of God. However, we don't have to wonder. We can have personal assurance. It is that assurance that enabled me to withstand many things throughout my life. I treasure God's Grace and loving gift of the Spirit of God to me.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

The law can not confirm/tell you.... that you're a child of Gd. That is the job of the Spirit of God. Thank you Lord Jesus for sharing yourself with me.

 

[Soyeong]

There are many people that will tell you various requirements needed to be a "children of God". Everyone seems to have their own "spin" on the matter. Some would have you believe that the law can tell if you're a child or God or not. Just keep these "rules" and everything will be okay....

Huge problem. They don't keep their own rules. They never do. Never. The law can not tell you if you're a child of God. However, we don't have to wonder. We can have personal assurance. It is that assurance that enabled me to withstand many things throughout my life. I treasure God's Grace and loving gift of the Spirit of God to me.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

The law can not confirm/tell you.... that you're a child of Gd. That is the job of the Spirit of God. Thank you Lord Jesus for sharing yourself with me.

A chip off the old block is someone who has the same nature as their father expressed through doing the same works, which is the sense of John 8:39, where Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him. That is the sense that Jesus is the Son of God insofar as he is the exact image of God's nature, which he expressed through walking in sinless obedience to God's law, and that is the sense that we are born again as children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through following his example. This is why 1 John 3:4-10 says that those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not born again, and why Romans 8:4-14 contrasts those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to God's law. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law. Do you believe that nothing is impossible with God...except obeying him? It is of course false that we can't obey God's law and there are many examples of people in the Bible who kept it.

 

[praise_yeshua]

A chip off the old block is someone who has the same nature as their father expressed through doing the same works, which is the sense of John 8:39, where Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him. That is the sense that Jesus is the Son of God insofar as he is the exact image of God's nature, which he expressed through walking in sinless obedience to God's law, and that is the sense that we are born again as children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through following his example. This is why 1 John 3:4-10 says that those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not born again, and why Romans 8:4-14 contrasts those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to God's law. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law. Do you believe that nothing is impossible with God...except obeying him? It is of course false that we can't obey God's law and there are many examples of people in the Bible who kept it.

So I'm not practicing righteousness by thanking the Lord Jesus for giving me His mind and The Spirit of God in my life?

 

[Studyman]

There are many people that will tell you various requirements needed to be a "children of God". Everyone seems to have their own "spin" on the matter. Some would have you believe that the law can tell if you're a child or God or not. Just keep these "rules" and everything will be okay....

Well it seems prudent to take instruction from the Creator of the Salvation we seek.

Duet. 5: 33 Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

Duet. 6: 2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. 3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.

Eph. 6: 1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise 3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

So the above are Words Inspired by the God whose Salvation I, and the examples of faith given us in the Bible, have placed our trust in. As you can see, according to HIM, if a man obeys the instruction of this God, "Everything will be OK".

The Religions of the world God placed Jesus in, professed to know God, but this Jesus "of the Bible" tells us about them "Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition"

Clearly everything wasn't "OK" with them. In fact, if a person studies what is actually written in the Holy Scriptures, the ONLY people who are going to be "OK" for eternity, are those who trusted the Holy Scriptures, as Paul teaches, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

Huge problem. They don't keep their own rules. They never do. Never. The law can not tell you if you're a child of God. However, we don't have to wonder. We can have personal assurance. It is that assurance that enabled me to withstand many things throughout my life. I treasure God's Grace and loving gift of the Spirit of God to me.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
The law can not confirm/tell you.... that you're a child of Gd. That is the job of the Spirit of God. Thank you Lord Jesus for sharing yourself with me.

It is important, in my view, to consider "ALL" that is written, as Paul did.

Rom. 6: 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin (Transgression of God's Law) unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of "doctrine" (Derived from the Holy Scriptures) which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of (God's) righteousness.

So then, these Children of God "WERE" men "who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

But now, these same men have "Yielded Themselves" servants to "OBEY" God and are become "Servants of God's Righteousness" instead of servants of "transgression of God's righteousness", when they walked in the religious traditions and philosophies of the world God placed them in.

The Jesus of the Bible warned of this very thing. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven". This is why it's so important, in my view, to allow the God who created such a great Salvation, be the One who tells us the "requirements needed to be the "children of God"".

 

[praise_yeshua]

Well it seems prudent to take instruction from the Creator of the Salvation we seek.

Duet. 5: 33 Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

Duet. 6: 2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. 3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.

Eph. 6: 1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise 3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

So the above are Words Inspired by the God whose Salvation I, and the examples of faith given us in the Bible, have placed our trust in. As you can see, according to HIM, if a man obeys the instruction of this God, "Everything will be OK".

The Religions of the world God placed Jesus in, professed to know God, but this Jesus "of the Bible" tells us about them "Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition"

Clearly everything wasn't "OK" with them. In fact, if a person studies what is actually written in the Holy Scriptures, the ONLY people who are going to be "OK" for eternity, are those who trusted the Holy Scriptures, as Paul teaches, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

I'm going to ask you to be specific. Do you find life in these words? Please be specific.

It is important, in my view, to consider "ALL" that is written, as Paul did.

Rom. 6: 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin (Transgression of God's Law) unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of "doctrine" (Derived from the Holy Scriptures) which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of (God's) righteousness.

So then, these Children of God "WERE" men "who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

But now, these same men have "Yielded Themselves" servants to "OBEY" God and are become "Servants of God's Righteousness" instead of servants of "transgression of God's righteousness", when they walked in the religious traditions and philosophies of the world God placed them in.

The Jesus of the Bible warned of this very thing. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven". This is why it's so important, in my view, to allow the God who created such a great Salvation, be the One who tells us the "requirements needed to be the "children of God"".

If what you say is true..... Why do you keep sinning?

You're quoting the words of another as if they're you own. They're not. You don't get to quote the words of another and pretend you're them.

 

[Studyman]

I'm going to ask you to be specific. Do you find life in these words? Please be specific.

So I believe the Scriptures were written for my admonition, because Paul says so. And I believe they are important because the Jesus "of the Bible" said "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

And this same Jesus "of the Bible" also said;

John 6: 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

So Yes, I believe the Christ of the Bible who told me there is "Life" in His Words. But only if I'm a "doer" of them, and not a "hearer" only.

If what you say is true..... Why do you keep sinning?

Where is my sin? Have you seen me sin? We are discussing Scriptures and what they say. Where is the Sin in that? You are preaching to the world that God's Law "Disappeared" and you used a quote from Jer. 31 as your support for this religious philosophy that you are promoting.

I didn't post "What I say" that I believe men should believe is true, I posted what the Scriptures say, that I believe is true. Why will you not even address them, or even acknowledge them. You do believe Scriptures, Yes? I mean, you used one to support your religion.

What possible difference does it make to this discussion, or the Words of Scripture, if I slip up and sin? Does my sin make God's word void?

You're quoting the words of another as if they're you own. They're not. You don't get to quote the words of another and pretend you're them.

Can you show me an example where I pretended to be God's Word?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Notice Gal 3 from the apostle Paul. He asked them a very simple question. A question that he wanted them to focus upon. Only one question.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?

This is an extraordinarily disarming statement to those who are seeking approval by keeping the law. It created a distinction BETWEEN the law and faith.

 

[praise_yeshua]

So I believe the Scriptures were written for my admonition, because Paul says so. And I believe they are important because the Jesus "of the Bible" said "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 6: 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

So Yes, I believe the Christ of the Bible who told me there is "Life" in His Words. But only if I'm a "doer" of them, and not a "hearer" only.

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

You don't have the proper perspective of what you read. The law does not contain every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Which is one of the reasons it is inadequate to give you what you need. The Spirit of God speaks to us. We need HIM to speak to us. That is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

Also. We know what your position is wrong from the words found on Romans 7:10.

Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Where is my sin? Have you seen me sin? We are discussing Scriptures and what they say. Where is the Sin in that? You are preaching to the world that God's Law "Disappeared" and you used a quote from Jer. 31 as your support for this religious philosophy that you are promoting.

I don't need to witness your sin. I have the Scriptures.

Ecc 7:20 Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

This is speaking of YOU. It speaks of EVERYONE. It speaks of me.

I didn't post "What I say" that I believe men should believe is true, I posted what the Scriptures say, that I believe is true. Why will you not even address them, or even acknowledge them. You do believe Scriptures, Yes? I mean, you used one to support your religion.

What possible difference does it make to this discussion, or the Words of Scripture, if I slip up and sin? Does my sin make God's word void?

I know the Scriptures you posted. I have contempted them for many years. I also know myself. I also know men. Mankind. I also know and witness the failings of men much better than myself. When you admit that you "slip".... your words betray your attitude toward your own sin.

"Slip".... really? What happens when I sin???? The world ends right?

Don't believe your own nonsense. Your mind will play tricks on you. You will see your sin different than others' sins. I told my children over and over again that one of the hardest things for us to do in this life is see ourselves for what we truly are. However, we sure can see it in others.....

We believe our own nonsense.

Can you show me an example where I pretended to be God's Word?

We all do what I said. There is a tendency in theological debates to insist that by simply "posting a quote" of Scripture.... that we have proven our point. The ole "There it is".... "I told you so"..... attitude. It takes more than posting a few verses of Scripture to establish a theological position. You... nor I... either one are the authors of the Scriptures. It takes time and effort to understand the purpose and position of the writer. We have to make their position our position.

 

[Studyman]

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

They didn't believe the Scriptures which testified of Him. I do, Paul did, Zacharias did, Peter did, but the Pharisees didn't.

John 5: 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Are there examples in the Testimony of men who believed Moses?

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

And what do these inspired scriptures say about Zacharias and His Relationship with the Christ?

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

So clearly there is a difference between men who believe what is written in the Law and Prophets, and those who don't believe what is written in the Law and Prophets.

In the religion you are promoting, this doesn't seem to matter?

We disagree on this, and it appears the Scriptures don't hold much value with you, and yet they are my only source "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

I'm going to bow out of this discussion before it becomes more personal.

 

[Soyeong]

So I'm not practicing righteousness by thanking the Lord Jesus for giving me His mind and The Spirit of God in my life?

Christ has the mind of Christ, so he walked in obedience to God's law, and the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), so those who are practicing righteousness in obedience to it can accurately thank Jesus for giving us his mind and the Spirit of God in our lives.

 

[praise_yeshua]

They didn't believe the Scriptures which testified of Him. I do, Paul did, Zacharias did, Peter did, but the Pharisees didn't.

Ah. So you're better than them?

I'm going to bow out of this discussion before it becomes more personal.

I made it personal by talking about myself. I have included myself in everything I've said. There is no reason to charge me with such a thing. We all have a horrible history of sin. None of us are immune. It is not fun to deal with our own sins. Thank God there is Grace for all.

God resists the proud and gives GRACE to the humble.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Christ has the mind of Christ, so he walked in obedience to God's law, and the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), so those who are practicing righteousness in obedience to it can accurately thank Jesus for giving us his mind and the Spirit of God in our lives.

You didn't receive the Spirit of God through obedience to the law. The mind of Christ was a gift. A gift that doesn't depend upon adherence to obedience to the law of Moses. If it did, you wouldn't have it anymore. Neither would I

 

[Studyman]

Notice Gal 3 from the apostle Paul. He asked them a very simple question. A question that he wanted them to focus upon. Only one question.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?

This is an extraordinarily disarming statement to those who are seeking approval by keeping the law. It created a distinction BETWEEN the law and faith.

In the Law and Prophets, after the golden calf, there was a Law "ADDED" before forgiveness could be provided for, that wasn't commanded in the Covenant God gave Israel in Ex. 19. The Pharisees were still requiring these "Works of the Law" before unrighteousness (SIN) could be taken away, even though the SEED had come.

To find out what these "Works of the Law" were, a man simply needs to ask the question, "according to the Law of God, when a man sinned, what "works" did Moses require before the sin could be forgiven"?

It's a simple question with a simple answer that even a child can understand. It can be answered by simply posting the Written Requirement. And yet, "many" who come in Christ's Name, refuse to even speak about this "ADDED" Law, nor will they acknowledge or answer this simple question that perfectly explains what "works of the Law" the disobedient Pharisees were requiring men to engage in, before sins could be forgiven.

It's one of the most fascinating examples of willful ignorance I have ever witnessed. And yet it remains right there, in the open for anyone to see.

 

[praise_yeshua]

In the Law and Prophets, after the golden calf, there was a Law "ADDED" before forgiveness could be provided for, that wasn't commanded in the Covenant God gave Israel in Ex. 19. The Pharisees were still requiring these "Works of the Law" before unrighteousness (SIN) could be taken away, even though the SEED had come.

To find out what these "Works of the Law" were, a man simply needs to ask the question, "according to the Law of God, when a man sinned, what "works" did Moses require before the sin could be forgiven"?

It's a simple question with a simple answer that even a child can understand. It can be answered by simply posting the Written Requirement. And yet, "many" who come in Christ's Name, refuse to even speak about this "ADDED" Law, nor will they acknowledge or answer this simple question that perfectly explains what "works of the Law" the disobedient Pharisees were requiring men to engage in, before sins could be forgiven.

It's one of the most fascinating examples of willful ignorance I have ever witnessed. And yet it remains right there, in the open for anyone to see.

What sacrifice enabled forgiveness? Simple question. You can't claim forgiveness without a sacrifice that enabled forgiveness. Your appeal to some "law" that you didn't even reference is telling.

 

[Studyman]

Ah. So you're better than them?

Matt. 5: 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I simply believe the sayings of the Christ "of the Bible", and so did Zacharias and Anna and Simeon and Paul and Cornelious and Peter and James etc. In fact, all the examples of Faith in the Holy Scriptures believed in the Words of the Rock of Israel, their redeemer. But the Pharisees and the Scribes didn't.

I'm not ashamed that I believe Him, nor that I understand this Biblical Truth about those who don't. Am I better? No, I have sinned just as they have. We both require repentance and forgiveness. But I am not judged by their works, rather, by mine.

Just because they, or you for that matter, don't believe the Oracles of God, doesn't make the faith of God without effect?

In my view.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Matt. 5: 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Ah. So you are. I'm glad you admit this. Sometimes people are reluctant to embrace what their theology actually teaches.

You're not. The Scriptures say you're not.

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

I simply believe the sayings of the Christ "of the Bible", and so did Zacharias and Anna and Simeon and Paul and Cornelious and Peter and James etc. In fact, all the examples of Faith in the Holy Scriptures believed in the Words of the Rock of Israel, their redeemer. But the Pharisees and the Scribes didn't.

I'm not ashamed that I believe Him, nor that I understand this Biblical Truth about those who don't. Am I better? No, I have sinned just as they have. We both require repentance and forgiveness. But I am not judged by their works, rather, by mine.

Just because they, or you for that matter, don't believe the Oracles of God, doesn't make the faith of God without effect?

In my view.

You quoted a verse that says that your righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees. You insist that you are better through keeping the law of Moses. That had made you boast of keeping the law.

However, you now say No. How can this be? You are either better based upon your method or you're not. How can both be possible? Please explain.

 

[Soyeong]

Notice Gal 3 from the apostle Paul. He asked them a very simple question. A question that he wanted them to focus upon. Only one question.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?

This is an extraordinarily disarming statement to those who are seeking approval by keeping the law. It created a distinction BETWEEN the law and faith.

In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God, so obedience to God is part of the way to receive the Spirit, however, Galatians 3:1-2 denies that "works of the law" are part of the way to receive the Spirit, therefore that phrase does not refer to obedience to God.

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

You don't have the proper perspective of what you read. The law does not contain every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Which is one of the reasons it is inadequate to give you what you need. The Spirit of God speaks to us. We need HIM to speak to us. That is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

Also. We know what your position is wrong from the words found on Romans 7:10.

Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

In Matthew 19:17 and Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that obedience to God's commandments is the way to inherit eternal life, so eternal life can be found in Scripture and the Pharisees were correct to search for it there, but they needed to recognize that the goal of everything in Scripture is to testify about how to know Jesus and come to a relationship with him for eternal life.

Everyone word that come from the mouth of God is inclusive of the Mosaic Law (Deuteronomy 5:31-33).

In Romans 7:10-13, Paul said that God's law is good and that it is not that which is good that brought death to him.

 

[Studyman]

Ah. So you are. I'm glad you admit this. Sometimes people are reluctant to embrace what their theology actually teaches.

You're not. The Scriptures say you're not.

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

It seems prudent to seek the truth about Paul's teaching by considering all of Paul's teaching, not just posting a verse here or there.

Where did Paul "before Prove" regarding men telling lies about God, and falsely accusing those whose refuge is the Lord, both Jew and Gentile, that "THEY" are all under sin? You only need to go back one chapter.

Rom. 2: 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

This would be those members of the Body of Christ whose refuge is the Lord, Yes? You do believe Paul was part of the Body of Christ, Yes?

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

So this would include the Pharisees who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them, and were falsely accusing Paul in chapter 3, "Whose damnation was just, Yes?

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Am better than they? NO!, we are all under the same instruction in righteousness. As Paul is explaining here in chapter 2. 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Paul has already explained to you in Romans 2 that Jew or Gentile, who do evil, that "They are all under sin". And if I turn away from God, and do evil, I will also become as they are. Because I am no better than they, that I can do Evil and not be Judged by God for the evil I've done. "For there is no respect of persons with God."


To believe the religious philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting, I would have to believe the lie about the Body of Christ, that you are promoting, that "Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:" 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness, 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

You shame me because I believe the Christ of the Bible and place my Faith in Him, just as the Jesus "of the bible" said would happen. This is exactly what the Pharisees were doing to Paul and the Body of Christ in Paul's time. Paul used Psalms 14 to point this out.

Psalms 14: 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They (Children of men) are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up "my people" as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

5 There were they (God's People) in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.

6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge.

I'm certain you will not consider the scriptures or Paul's actual words, but it is my hope that you will.

 

[Studyman]

You quoted a verse that says that your righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees.

I showed you, not my words, but the Words of the Christ "of the Bible". I'm not ashamed that I believe them.

You insist that you are better through keeping the law of Moses. That had made you boast of keeping the law.

No, you are telling falsehoods about me again. I simply posted God's Inspired Word, telling me "That it may be well with me" if I patiently continue in the Good Works God "before ordained" that I should walk in them.

Please don't perjure yourself just to belittle me.

However, you now say No. How can this be? You are either better based upon your method or you're not. How can both be possible? Please explain.

If God rejected the Mainstream preachers of Christ's Time because they "Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition", then how can I believe HE won't reject me for doing the exact same thing? Am I better than they? No way!!! If I turn away from God and adopt the lies and falsehood of the religions of this world God placed me in, like the Pharisees did, will I not also be rejected?

Hear the other Psalms Paul quoted from, only this time, listen to it.

Ps. 5: 4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

7 But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple.

8 Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face.

Will you now accuse David of "boasting in the Law", or that he thinks he is better because he believes God's Righteousness should lead him?

9 For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.

10 Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.

I don't believe your preaching that the Body of Christ and these workers of iniquity are exactly the same? So then, is your church and their church no different, but somehow you are "better than they" because you will not receive the same judgement from God that they receive? This is the danger of just accepting the religious philosophies of this world.

11 But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.

12 For thou, LORD, wilt bless the righteous; with favour wilt thou compass him as with a shield.

This is why my Lord told me; "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven"

I am not ashamed that I believe him.