What purpose is Jesus both God and Man Union?

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I am going to try an analogy to explain why there is a purpose in Jesus being both God and Man in union...

God is like the World Wide Web.

We can not tap into the WWW directly without a modem. We would not understand anything that way.
If we could connect without a modem? We would get billions of different unrelated things happening simultaneously.
Nothing could be sorted out, and nothing could make sense.


A modem basically acts as your home’s internet hub. Your modem interprets data from your ISP
and then converts that data into a signal that your devices can then use to get online.

https://www.t-mobile.com/home-internet/the-signal/internet-devices/inside-a-modem-what-does-it-do

In that sense God is to be likened to the WWW who is containing simultaneously, all knowledge like the WWW does with mega massive amounts of cyber information.


No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship
with the Father, has made him known.[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen;
He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known]. John 1:18​


Jesus is God's Divine Modem for man to connect to God by means of Jesus interpreting God to us.

"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6​
Through = modem.

Viola! Jesus is God's Divine Modem for man to receive God understandably to man!

Without having a modem to isolate and interpret the desired signal to enter our computer? It would all be one big blur of senseless noise.
Likewise... Without Jesus being the Modem between God and man? We could not receive what is needed being able to understand God.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship
with the Father, has made him known.[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen;
He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known]. John 1:18​

Jesus interprets what we as man can not decipher about God, and converts what He knows as God while using His Deity, into a message that is made knowable to a man. He, being both God and Man, is capable of doing that perfectly!
A modem basically acts as your home’s internet hub. Your modem interprets data from your ISP
and then converts that data into a signal that your devices can then use to get online.

God as like the Divine WWW containing all there is to be known past, present, and future. And, knowing all things simultaneously.

What Jesus does for us making us able to know God, is to be like being a Divine Modem to sort out what about God we need to know!

Like as a modem does. Jesus is our Modem. Only feeding to us one thought at a time, to be known as coming from infinite God.

grace and peace .......................
 
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I'm going to offer a simpler reason why God cannot allow man in His presence. Because He loves him.
What happened to those men who from time to time were in the presence of angels? If men such as Daniel and John are compelled to fall to their knees, and are weak and helpless, in a dead faint before an angel, what would the result be if the Father permitted sinful man in His presence... Immediate destruction. This would not be God's doing. It would be but a natural consequence of coming into contact with pure holiness. Remember Moses and his shiny face? Therefore the Son came to Adam and Eve after sin as God's representative, and it had been the Son who presented Himself to mankind ever since. To Abraham. To Jacob. To Manoah. To Joshua. Moses. The three Hebrews in the fire. Paul. John. With the Father, such glory and holiness is inherent and it is Who He is. He cannot be anything else. He can't cover it. Disguise it. Put it aside. The Son however, because everything He is was received as His rightful inheritance as His Father's Son, was able to set aside such as would be detrimental to man's life.
 
I'm going to offer a simpler reason why God cannot allow man in His presence. Because He loves him.
What happened to those men who from time to time were in the presence of angels? If men such as Daniel and John are compelled to fall to their knees, and are weak and helpless, in a dead faint before an angel, what would the result be if the Father permitted sinful man in His presence... Immediate destruction. This would not be God's doing. It would be but a natural consequence of coming into contact with pure holiness. Remember Moses and his shiny face? Therefore the Son came to Adam and Eve after sin as God's representative, and it had been the Son who presented Himself to mankind ever since. To Abraham. To Jacob. To Manoah. To Joshua. Moses. The three Hebrews in the fire. Paul. John. With the Father, such glory and holiness is inherent and it is Who He is. He cannot be anything else. He can't cover it. Disguise it. Put it aside. The Son however, because everything He is was received as His rightful inheritance as His Father's Son, was able to set aside such as would be detrimental to man's life.
Though often taught from the pulpit and widely accepted within Christianity, there is a common misnomer that God cannot look upon sin.

This misnomer or idea is rooted in a misunderstanding of Habakkuk 1:13, which states, "Your eyes are too pure to look upon evil." To expand upon the meaning of this verse, God cannot look at sin favorably or with complacency. However, this verse does not state that God cannot look at sin or that He cannot allow sin in His presence. God did not turn His back on Adam when he sinned--God sought him out in the garden. God did not turn His back on David when he sinned. In the book of Job, God allowed satan in His presence for a specific purpose. Satan wanted to make a deal with God over His servant, Job. God restricted Satan, telling him that he "can do anything but touch Job" and not to "lay a hand or finger on him." In the wilderness, Jesus allowed the presence of satan (face to face). God wrestled with Jacob.

Jesus is God sharing all the same Divine attributes as God. Jesus did not turn His back on Saul when he was persecuting the church and sought him out on the Damascus Road and said to him," why are you persecuting Me?" If God did not turn His back on sinners, then neither did the Father turn His back on His only Son who is Holy, Blameless, Sinless, and Righteous just like His Father. The Father turning His back on the Son (at the cross) is not found in Scripture. Jesus ate with sinners, lived among sinners, loves sinners and He suffered and died for sinners.

hope this helps !!!
 
In the tree of life, we could say Jesus is like the fruit, the part that we can eat, over the wood or leaves.

In the illustration of the three forms of water, we see the form of ice is the form we cannot directly ingest.

Yes, the incarnation can be seen as the bridge between God and man, but this was only necessary after the fall.

It is not just the power of God, but the holiness of God that is the main hindering factor for sinful creatures.
 
Hello folks?

The thread is supposed to be about whey Jesus is both God and Man in union, and what purpose that Union provides for God communicating to man.

Its not supposed to be about anything else.

Its already wandered way off base...
 
In the tree of life, we could say Jesus is like the fruit, the part that we can eat, over the wood or leaves.

In the illustration of the three forms of water, we see the form of ice is the form we cannot directly ingest.

Yes, the incarnation can be seen as the bridge between God and man, but this was only necessary after the fall.

It is not just the power of God, but the holiness of God that is the main hindering factor for sinful creatures.
I hate illustrations about God.

God says several time to what will you compare to Me ? Isaiah 40:25

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 46:5
To whom will you liken Me or count Me equal? To whom will you compare Me, that we should be alike?

Acts 17:29
Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man's skill and imagination.
 
Well, the Bible is full of them, so I guess God disagrees with you.

He's like a fire, a wind, a mountain, a rock, an eagle, a mother hen, a landowner, the water of life.
You are twisting what I said. I said what the Bible below says, what God says. Comparing God to anything He opposes such vanity and wild imaginations of man. You create your own golden calf in your mind, an idol.

God says several time to what will you compare to Me ? Isaiah 40:25

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 46:5
To whom will you liken Me or count Me equal? To whom will you compare Me, that we should be alike?

Acts 17:29
Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man's skill and imagination.
 
Hello Folks?

There was an explanation given by an analogy as to what function Jesus performs in revealing God to men.

Now everyone is wandering off and missing the point that was made as to why Jesus is both God and also man, as to reveal God to men.

What is going one here?
 
Now everyone is wandering off and missing the point that was made as to why Jesus is both God and also man, as to reveal God to men.

What is going one here?
Amen and to restore and redeem man back into relationship with God through the gospel.
 
Amen and to restore and redeem man back into relationship with God through the gospel.

Yes, I think redemption is the key to interpret the incarnation.

I've met those who think God is incarnated pre-fall, that is, the incarnation has nothing to do with sin.

But if we make the incarnation not about redemption but just fundamental to knowing God, we no longer see how serious sin is.
 
Amen and to restore and redeem man back into relationship with God through the gospel.

The Gospel in for the maternity ward for Christianity. Its where baby Christians begin.

Sound doctrinal teaching from a few qualified pastor teachers is what restore man back to having a functional relationship with God.
Sound doctrine produces maturity in Christ.

Too many goofy ideas about what Bible passages mean is the reason for our sense of having our freedom get sloppy.

Here is why Christians who want to have a healthy relationship with God must find sound doctrinal teachings lest they end up going astray.

Isaiah 55:8-9


“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

So many passages are being misunderstood because very few are able to exegete properly.
We end up telling believers things that agree with their own thoughts, and approves of their own way of doing things.

And, we end up with the mess we find ourselves in today...



2 Timothy 4:3

For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


Sound doctrine when first hearing can initially make one feel stupid. Why? Because, His ways are not our ways.
We would never have thought of it that way naturally.

Many want to feel that God feels the same way they do on a matter, and will not "put up with sound doctrine."
That is why many Christians are led by their emotions and desires and fall into false teachings designed to please
them with what they would want to hear about God.



Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

That is why it says we need to have our minds transformed by the renewing of our minds that comes from the sound teaching of God's Word.



Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will."
Romans 12:2

Look at all the denominations that have locked onto the personalities with the misuse of God's Word that will attract certain natural mind sets into their pews. TULIP Calvinists have a certain hardness in their natural way of thinking. Catholics want someone to tell them what to think and do works to feel justified before God..Certain Baptists insist unless you get water baptized you are not yet saved.... etc...

We are still here in spite of it all.
 
I am going to try an analogy to explain why there is a purpose in Jesus being both God and Man in union...
Just going by Scriptures and not use a "modem by way of comparison.

Search the Scriptures — They Are They Which Testify of Me — John 5:39
by Pastor J. C. O'Hair





During the forty days when the Son of God was showing Himself alive by many infallible proofs, He journeyed with two of His disciples and conversed with them. In the course of the conversation He asked of them a question in these words:

“O fools and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have written. Ought not Christ to have suffered and entered into His glory?” “And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.” – Luke 24:27.

So He began with Genesis and closed with Malachi to show that He was the heart and center, the theme and subject of the Old Testament writers in prophecy, figure, type and shadow. Adam was a figure of Him which was to come. – Romans 5:14.

The coats of skin with which God covered the first two sinners, provided by sacrifice, was a type of the righteousness of God with which the sinner is clothed because he accepts by faith the great sacrifice of God’s only begotten Son on the cross. – II Corinthians 5:21.

Enoch’s testimony and translation spoke of the coming of Christ with His saints. – Jude 14.

Noah’s ark, pitched within and without, constructed according to God’s pattern, was judgment-proof and the only place of safety and security when His wrath was poured out in judgment upon an ungodly world; and it was, therefore, a type of Jesus Christ, the one and only ark of safety, the only way to escape from the condemnation of God. “There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.” Romans 8:1. “In Christ Jesus.” “He that believeth not is condemned already.” – John 3:18.

Certainly Isaac, the well-beloved son of Abraham, was a type of Christ when He was offered on the altar by his father; and in other events in his life Joseph with his coat of many colors, envied, betrayed and sold by His brethren to the Gentiles, was a type of the true Joseph who came unto His own, who rejected Him, delivered Him to Pilate because of envy; sold Him for thirty pieces of silver, spat upon Him and demanded His death. On the throne of Pharaoh the saviour of the world, Joseph who told his brethren that God had used their conspiracy and rejection to His own glory was a type of the One who shall yet sit on His glorious earthly throne and bring the whole world in subjection to God. Genesis 45:8. When the Jews with wicked hands slew Him, it was because He was delivered according to the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God. – Acts 2:23.

Moses said, “A prophet like unto me shall the Lord raise up.” Deuteronomy 18:15. So Moses, the mediator of the Sinai covenant, was a type of Christ.

The passover lamb by which the children of Israel were delivered from death was a type of Christ our passover Who is sacrificed for us. – I Corinthians 5:7.

Aaron the High Priest, the offerer, was a type of the Lord Jesus Christ, as were his offerings.

The feast of Jehovah were all typical of the work of redemption and blessing centered in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The tabernacle with its sanctuary was a type of that Holy thing which was conceived by God; the Word made flesh which tabernacled in our midst. The furniture, the color schemes, the materials, spoke of the character and work of the Holy Son of God.

Joshua, the leader and deliverer, is the Hebrew for Jesus. Samuel, prophet, priest and judge, a type of Jesus Christ, Prophet, Priest and King. Boaz, the redeemer kinsman, a type of the true Redeemer Kinsman. Job spoke of a daysman who could be the representative of both God and man. Christ alone, the one mediator between God and men, can do this acceptably. – Job 9:33.

Daniel spoke of the coming Christ as the smiting Stone in the second chapter and as the cut-off Messiah in the ninth chapter. The true King David can be none other than one who was nailed to Calvary’s tree. Isaiah prophesied the coming of the Child, the Son, Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Christ alone could answer such a description;” “Immanuel.” – Isaiah 9:6-7:14.

The Fifty-third of Isaiah speaks of the suffering of Christ. Philip, from this Scripture, preached unto the eunuch, Christ. – Acts 8:35.

Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Malachi, and all of the Jewish prophets told of the coming of Christ. Paul reasoned from these Old Testament prophets that Jesus was the Christ. – Acts 18:22; Acts 13:27 to 30.

Beginning with the promise of the “Seed of the woman” in the first book of the Old Testament, Genesis 3:15, and closing with the statement that the “Lord whom ye seek shall suddenly appear in His holy temple,” in the last book of the Old Testament Scriptures, Malachi 3:21, there is the promise of the coming One Who fulfilled these Scriptures in His birth, life, ministry and suffering, death and resurrection. “When they had fulfilled all that was written of Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a sepulchre—But God raised Him from the dead.” – Acts 13:29 and 30.

Christ is mentioned by noun and pronoun about 6990 times in the New Testament Scripture.

We have listed hereunder some of the several hundred titles of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Man of the Book:

Genesis:
“The Seed of the Woman” 3:15
“Abraham’s Seed” 22:18
“Isaac’s Seed” 26:4
“Melchisedec” 14:18
“Shiloh” 49:10

Deuteronomy
“A Prophet like unto Moses” 18:15

Psalms
“His Anointed” 2:2
“The King of Glory” 24:10

Song of Solomon
“The Lily of the Valleys” 2:1
“The Rose of Sharon” 2:1
“Chiefest Among Ten Thousand” 5:10
“One Altogether Lovely” 5:16

Isaiah:
“Immanuel” 7:14
“Wonderful” 9:6
“Counsellor” 9:6
“Mighty God” 9:6
“Everlasting Father” 9:6
“Prince of Peace” 9:6
“A Root of Jesse” 11:10
“Man of Sorrows” 53:3
“A Root out of dry Ground” 53:2
“A Tender Plant” 53:2

Ezekiel:
“Plant of Renown” 34:29

Jeremiah:
“A Righteous Branch” 23:5
“The Lord our Righteousness” 23:6

Zechariah:
“My Servant the Branch” 3:8
“The Man whose name is the Branch” 6:12

Malachi:
“The Lord Whom Ye Seek” 3:1
“Sun of Righteousness” 4:2

Matthew:
“Jesus Christ the Son of David” 1:1
“The Son of Abraham” 1:1
“Jesus who is called Christ” 1:16
“Jesus Christ” 1:18
“Jesus” 1:21
“Emmanuel, God with us” 1:23
“King of the Jews” 2:2
“Christ” 2:4
“Governor, that shall rule my people Israel” 2:6
“The Young Child” 2:11
“My Son” 2:15
“A Nazarene” 2:23
“The Lord” 3:3
“My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased” 3:17
“The Son of God” 4:3
“Master” 8:19
“The Son of Man” 8:20
“The Bridegroom” 9:15
“Thou Son of David” 9:27
“He that should come” 11:3
“A Friend of Publicans and Sinners” 11:10
“One greater than the Temple” 12:6
“The Lord of the Sabbath day” 12:8
“My Servant whom I have chosen” 12:18
“My Beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased” 12:18
“A greater than Jonas” 12:41
“A greater than Solomon” 12:42 .
“This Man” 13:56
“The Christ, the Son of the living God” 16:16
“Good Master” 19:16
“Thy King” 21:5
“This Jesus, the Prophet of Nazareth of Galilee” 21:11
“The Stone which the builders rejected” 21:42
“The Head of the Corner” 21:42
“The King” 25:34
“The Shepherd” 26:31
“King of Israel” 27:42

Mark:
“One that hath authority” 1:22
“Jesus of Nazareth” 1:24
“The Holy One of God” 1:24
“Son of the Most High God” 5:7
“The Carpenter” 6:3
“Son of Mary” 6:3
“A Prophet” 6:4
“Christ, the son of the Blessed” 14:61

Luke:
“Son of the Highest” 1:32
“The Lord’s Christ” 2:26
“A Great Prophet” 7:16
“The Christ of God” 9:20
“He that cometh in the Name of the Lord” 19:18
“Christ, the chosen of God” 23:35

John:
“The Word” 1:1
“That Light” 1:8
“The True Light” 1:9
“The only begotten of the Father” 1:14
“The Lamb of God” 1:29
“The Messias” 1:41
“Him of whom Moses in the Law and the Prophets did write” 1:45
“He that cometh from Heaven” 3:31
“Thou art a Prophet” 4:19
“The Christ, the Saviour of the World” 4:42
“The Son” 5:23
“The Bread of Life” 6:35
“The Bread which came down from Heaven” 6:41
“A Good Man” 7:12
“The Light of the World” 8:12
“That I AM” 8:24
“The Door of the Sheep” 10:7
“The Good Shepherd” 10:11
“The Resurrection’’ 11:25
“Master and Lord” 13:13
“The Way” 14:6
“The Truth” 14:6
“The Life” 14:6
“The True Vine” 15:1
“The Man” 19:5

Acts:
“A Man. approved of God” 2:22
“Thine Holy One” 2:27
“Both Lord and Christ” 2:36
“Jesus Christ of Nazareth” 3:6
“The Holy One and the Just.” 3:14
“The Prince of Life” 3:15
“His Christ” 4:26
“A Prince and a Saviour” 5:31
“Thy Holy Child Jesus” 4:30
“The Just One” 7:52
“Son of Man” 7:56
“Unto Israel a Saviour Jesus” 13:23
“Another King Jesus” 17:7

Romans:
“Jesus Christ our Lord, of the Seed of David” 1:3
“Our Lord Jesus Christ” 5:11
“God blessed forever” 9:5
“The End of the Law for Righteousness” 10:4
“A Minister of . the Circumcision” 15:8
“A Root of Jesse” 15:12

I Corinthians:
“Righteousness” 1:30
“Sanctification” 1:30
“Redemption” 1:30
“The Lord of Glory” 2:8
“Foundation” 3:11
“Christ Our Passover” 5:7
“The Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things” 8:6
“That Rock, Christ” 10:4
“Jesus is the Lord” 12:3
“The Last Adam” 15:45
“The Second Man, the Lord from Heaven” 15:47

II Corinthians:
“Thee Lord, the Spirit” 3:17
“Christ, the Image of God” 4:4
“God in Christ” 5:19

Ephesians:
“The Head over all Things” 1:22
“Our Peace” 2:14
“The One of whom the whole Family in Heaven and Earth is named” 3:15
“Christ, the Head of the Church” 5:23
“Master in Heaven” 6:9

Philippians:
“The One in the Form of God” 2:6 and 7
“The One in the Form of a Servant, the Likeness of Men” 2:7
“Jesus Christ, my Lord” 3:8
“The Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ” 3:20

Colossians:
“His Dear Son or the Son of His Love” 1:13
“The Image of the Invisible God” 1:15
“The First-born of every Creature” 1:15
“The One by whom all. things consist” 1:17
“The First-born from the dead” 1:18
“The One in whom all fulness dwells” 1:19
“The One in whom are hid treasures of wisdom and knowledge” 2:3
“The One in whom dwelleth all fullness of the Godhead bodily” 2:9
“Christ, who is our Life” 3:4

I Timothy
“The King eternal” 1:17
“God manifest in the flesh” 3:16
“Potentate” 6:15
“King of Kings, Lord of Lords” 6:15

II Timothy:
“Our Saviour, Jesus Christ” 1:10
“The effulgence of His Glory” 1:3

Hebrews:
“Express Image of His Person” 1:3
“Captain of our Salvation” 2:10
“Merciful and faithful High Priest” 2:17
“Apostle and High Priest of our Profession” 3:1
“Builder of the House” 3:3
“A Priest after order of Melchisedec” 5:6
“Author of eternal Salvation” 5:9
“Forerunner, Jesus” 6:20
“An High Priest over the House of God” 10:21
“He that shall come” 10:37
“Author and Finisher of our Faith” 12:2
“Jesus, the Mediator of the New Covenant” 12:24
“The Lord, my Helper” 13:6
“Jesus Christ who is the same yesterday, today and forever” 13:8

James
“The Lord of Glory” 2:1
“The Husbandman” 5:7

I Peter
“A Lamb without Blemish and Spot” 1:19
“A stone of Stumbling” 2:8
“Rock of Offense” 2:8
“Shepherd and Bishop of your Souls” 2:25
“Chief Shepherd” 5:4

II Peter:
“The Day Star” 1:19
“Lord that bought us” 2:1

I John
“An Advocate” 2:1
“Our Propitiation” 2:2
“The Holy One” 2:20

II John:
“The Son of the Father” 1:3

Jude:
“Only Lord God” 1:4

Revelation:
“Jesus Christ, a faithful Witness” 1:5
“The first Begotten of the Dead” 1:5
“Prince of the Kings of the Earth” 1:5
“Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending” 1:8
“The First and the Last” 1:17
“He which searcheth the reins and hearts” 2:28
“The Morning Star” 2:28
“He that is holy. He that is true” 3:7
“Amen, the faithful and true Witness” 3:14
“Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come” 4:8
“Lion of the Tribe of Juda” 5:5
“Root of David” 5:5
“He that liveth forever and ever” 5:14
“The Lamb in the midst of the Throne” 7:17
“Lamb slain from the foundation of the World” 13:8
“King of Saints” 15:3
“Lord of Lords, and King of Kings 17:4
“Faithful and True” 19:11
“The Word of God” 19:13
“The Root and Offspring of David” 22:16
 
As we carefully meditate upon the sayings of the Lord Jesus in the Gospel of John we too say, “never man spake like this man.”

He said, “Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.” John 17:5.

“He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father.” John 14:9.

“I and My Father are One.” John 10:30.

“Before Abraham was I AM.” John 8:58.

“I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish.” John 10:28.

“No man cometh unto the Father but by Me.” John 14:6.

We could quote statement after statement in John’s Gospel in which Christ claims unity and equality with God, One with the Father in the eternal Godhead.

Christ refers to Himself in the first person pronoun more than 650 times in John’s Gospel. Note again John 1:1:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Then note John 20:28; Thomas worships Christ as God

“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.”

Now in the middle of John’s Gospel:

“The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.” John 10:33.

In these verses we have the wonderful story of the One Whom God calls in Isaiah 9:6: “Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

He is God in the beginning of John’s Gospel. He is God at the end. In the middle of the Book He is being stoned because He is a Man making Himself God.

And note John 5:18:

“Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him because He not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.”

NEVER MAN SPAKE LIKE ‘THIS MAN’
Several times in the Scriptures the Lord Jesus Christ is referred to as “this Man.”

Luke 23:41: “THIS MAN hath done nothing amiss.”

John 7:31: “And many of the people believed on Him, and said, When Christ cometh, will He do more miracles than these which THIS MAN hath done?”

Hebrews 10:12: “But THIS MAN after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.” Acts 13:38: “Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through THIS MAN is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins.”

Luke 15:2: “THIS MAN receiveth sinners and eateth with them.”

It seems that sometimes Christ was called “THIS MAN” in derision. At other times it seems that it was because of perplexity. Note this question in John, “Who is this Son of man?” John 12:34.

This man was sinless, He did nothing amiss. Can one perform greater miracles than those this man performed? He has more than 350 titles in the Bible. Blessed is the individual who can correctly answer the question, “Who is this Son of man?”

“Never man spake like this Man.” This Man on the cross offered one sacrifice for sins and then sat down in heaven. “Through this Man is preached the forgiveness of sin.” “This Man receiveth sinners.”

In John’s Gospel Christ is called “the Son of man” nine times. Note the verses: John 3:13 and 14; John 6:27, 53 and 62; John 8:28; John 12:23 and 34; John 13:31.When you have read them you will have learned that it is no less difficult to understand the personality of the Divine human Christ than in the verses calling Him the Son of God.

Note why this message was written: “But these are written that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God and that believing ye might have life through His name.” John 20:31.

In John’s Gospel Christ is called the Son of God eleven times.

The word “believe” is found 100 times in John’s Gospel. “Life” or “eternal life” is found 44 times in John’s Gospel.Christ is the life. John 14:6. Christ gives unto His Sheep eternal life. John 10:28. The word “world” is found about 77 times in John’s Gospel. The word “Jew” (“Jews”) is found 66 times in John’s Gospel.

It is noteworthy that although we find in John 3:16 this statement, “for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life,” we find no reference in John’s Gospel to Christ’s dealing with the Greek Gentile woman of Matthew 15 and Mark 7, and His dealing with the Roman Gentile man of Matthew 8 and Luke 7.

We read in John 12:20 to 23 that certain Greeks said to the Lord’s disciples, “Sir, we would see Jesus.” But so far as we have any record, Christ did not see these Greeks and talk to them. He dealt with the woman of Samaria in John 4. But there is no record in John’s Gospel that Christ dealt with Gentiles.

THE FOUR “MUSTS” OF JOHN’S GOSPEL
John the Baptist said, “He must increase, but I must decrease.” John 3:30.

“And no man hath ascended up unto heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man Which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up.” John 3:13 and 14.

“Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” John 3:7.

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” John 4:24

CHRIST THE BREAD OF LIFE
John 6:32 to 35, 41, 48, 50, 51, 58

“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true Bread from heaven.” John 6:32. “For the Bread of God is He That cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.” “Then said they unto Him, Lord, evermore give us this Bread.” “And Jesus said unto them, I am the Bread of life: he that cometh to Me shall never hunger; and he that believeth. on Me shall never thirst”

“The Jews then murmured at Him, because He said, I am the Bread Which came down from heaven.”

“I am that Bread of life.”

“This is the Bread Which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof and not die.” “I am the living Bread Which came down from heaven; if any man eat of this Bread, he shall live for ever: and the Bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

“This is the Bread Which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this Bread shall live for ever.”

THE MANNA FROM HEAVEN
“And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna; and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.” Exodus 16:31.

“Manna” means “what is it.” It came from heaven. It was white. Thus we see that this manna in its purity, origin and as a heavenly food spoke of Christ as the Bread of life which came down from heaven. The Israelites who ate the manna died. But Christ said, “Eat of Me and live forever.” We too should say, “Evermore give us this Bread.”

As the Israelites were startled by the Lord’s feeding them from heaven and said “what is it?” so the Israelites were bewildered as to the true personality of the Lord Jesus Christ, Who claimed pre-existence with His Father. He claimed unity and equality with God. That He was the sinless Christ Who came down from heaven. They could not understand how He could be both God and man. When Peter gave the correct answer, the Lord Jesus said, “Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father Which is in heaven.” Matthew 16:17. And let us remember I Corinthians 12:3: “Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.”

Note again:

“All things are delivered unto Me of My Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.” Matthew 11:27. The natural man, by the wisdom of this world, might call Jesus Christ the greatest man who ever trod the globe or the fairest flower of humanity or the greatest of all religious reformers, but only by the Holy Spirit can one say that Jesus Christ is the Lord from heaven.
 
BELIEVE—HAVE ETERNAL LIFE AND KNOW IT
Note I John 5:13: “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son. of God.”

As John’s Gospel was written that we might believe and receive eternal life John’s First Epistle was written that we who believe might know that we have eternal life. Any person who will read and believe John’s Gospel will believe that Jesus was, the Son of God and also that He was God the Son.

Note John 14:9 and John 17:5:

“Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father: and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”

God, the Father, wants the believer to know that he is saved by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

THE FATHER LOVETH THE SON
So many times we quote John 3:16 about God’s great love for the world. When we try to realize God’s great love for His Son, then we can better appreciate God’s great love in giving His Son on the cross for ungodly enemies.

Note these statements of Christ:

John 5:20: “For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth Him all things that Himself doeth: and He will shew Him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.”

John 17:24: “Father, I will that they also Whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am; that they may behold My glory, which Thou non east given Me: for Thou lovest Me before the foundation of the world.”

John 10:17: “Therefore doth My Father love Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.”

The Father loved the Son before the foundation of the world. Then the Father loved the Son because the Son laid down His life as the expression of the Father’s love for lost sinners, that by His Son’s act of obedience unto death God might be just and the Justifier of all who believe on Christ.

Note Christ’s words in John 18:11: “Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which My Father hath given Me, shall I not drink it?”

Now note John 8:29: And He That sent Me is with Me: the Father hath not left Me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.”

From these words we can understand the meaning of Romans 15:3: “For even Christ pleased not Himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached Thee fell on Me.”

The Son came from heaven to earth to do the Father’s will. That meant Gethsemane’s cup and Calvary’s cup. The Son always pleased the Father. “Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He hath put Him to grief: when Thou shalt make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see his Seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.” Isaiah 53:10.

Is it any wonder that God declares “without faith it is impossible to please Him?” “But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for He that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.” Hebrews 11:6.

AND I WORK
John 5:17: “But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.”

The Psalmist said, “It is time for Thee, Lord, to work: for they have made void Thy law.” Psalms 119:126.

In other words, if a work of righteousness is to be done, it is not to be done by man and God’s holy law, but by Jesus Christ the Righteous. He was made sin on the cross at Calvary that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. II Corinthians 5:21.

THE FATHER’S WORK IN JOHN
“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent” John 6:28 and 29. “Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.” John 4:34. “But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.” John 5:17. “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.” John 17:3 and 4. “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.” John 19:30.

Thus in John’s Gospel we find that the work of redemption is being accomplished by the Christ who is called in Colossians 1:13 “the Son of God’s love.”

“The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” John 1:17. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” Ephesians 2:8 to 10. “Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 5:20 and 21.

The sinner’s first work in John’s Gospel of Grace is John 6:29 and in John 6:40:

“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

The sinner must first be God’s workmanship, saved without works and then be God’s workman, remembering the truth of Titus 2:14:

“Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”

Any attempt to add religion or anything of merit to the finished work of God to make salvation more effective or efficacious will prove futile.

Note Galatians 2:20 and Galatians 5:1:

“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.”

“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.”

The redeemed sinner belongs to the Lord, with his time, his gifts, his substance and his life. And note what Christ declares in John 12:26: “If any man serve Me Him will My Father honor.”
 
CHRIST’S HOUR IN JOHN’S GOSPEL
John 2:4. “Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine HOUR is not yet come.”

John 5:25. “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The HOUR is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”

John 5:28. “Marvel not at this: for the HOUR is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice.”

John 7:30. “Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his HOUR was not yet come.”

John 8:20. “These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple and no man laid hands on him; for his HOUR was not yet come.”

John 12:23. “And Jesus answered them, saying, The HOUR is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.”

John 12:27. “Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this HOUR: but for this cause came I unto this HOUR.”

John 13:1. “Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his HOUR was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.”

John 16:32. “Behold, the HOUR cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.”John 17:1. “These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father the HOUR is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee.”

Here we learn that Christ’s hour meant the time of His death on the cross. Note again John 12:27:

“ . . . Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.”

Christ’s death was neither premature nor accidental. His death did not take place either one hour before or one hour after the time God had set. Christ was not a martyr. He was God’s foreordained sin-bearer. I Peter 1:18 to 20. Christ was not the helpless victim of circumstances in the hour of His death.

Note Acts 4:26 to 28:

“The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.”

Let us note again Christ’s words to Mary in John 2:4:

“ . . . Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.”

Mary had to be saved by Christ’s blood.

THE FATHER IN JOHN’S GOSPEL
After we have studied the Son’s work in the Gospel of John, we can better understand Christ’s words in: John 15:23: “He that hateth Me hateth My Father also.”

John 5:23: “That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father Which hath sent Him.”

John 12:26: “If any man serve Me, let Him follow Me; and where I am there shall also My servant be: if any man serve Me him will My Father honour.”

From these plain statements, how foolish for any one to claim to love and serve God the Father while they refuse to love and serve Christ as One with the Father. Note Christ’s words in John 10:30: “I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE.”

And in John 17:21: “That they all may be one: as Thou Father art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me.”

In I John 2:23 we read:

“Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”

In II John 9, we read:

“Whosoever transgresseth and bideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.”

And let us even remember II John 7 to 11, in which the Holy Spirit plainly teaches that any one who gives support to any so-called Christian preacher who denies the eternal deity of Jesus Christ is a partaker of his evil deeds. And an evil deed it is. Christ must always be the center of the Christian’s worship and the object of his faith. “For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.” I Timothy 2:5.

I AND MY FATHER
It is interesting to note that in John’s Gospel the Lord Jesus Christ thirty times calls God, “My Father.” All through the Book the obedient Son is doing the Father’s will. God is called “Father” 114 times in John. The word “Father” is found a greater number of times in John’s Gospel than in Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts, and all of Paul’s Epistles combined.

Note Christ’s words in John 6:45: “It is written in the Prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto Me.”

John 6:27: “Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for Him hath God the Father sealed.” And John 14:6: “Jesus saith unto Him, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father but by Me.”

Then finally we note these words in John 13:1: “Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour was come that He should depart out of the world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end.”

For a short while the Son came back to His apostles after His death and resurrection and He said, “. . . Peace be unto you: as My Father hath sent Me, even so send I you.” John 20:21.

So we leave you with John 5:23:

“That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father Which hath sent Him.”

I John 2:23:

“Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”

And John 12:26:

“If any man serve Me let Him follow Me; and where I am there shall also my servant be: if any man serve Me, him will My Father honour.”

CHRIST THE I AM
In Exodus 3:14 God revealed Himself as “I AM THAT I AM.” Now note Christ as the “I AM” in John.

John 6:35. “And Jesus said unto them, I AM the bread of life; he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.”

John 6:41. “The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I AM the bread which came down from heaven.”

John 6:48. “I AM that bread of life.”

John 6:51. “I AM the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

John 4:26. “Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.”

John 7:29. “But I know him; for I AM from him, and he hath sent me.”

John 8:12. “Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying. I AM the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”

John 8:18. “I AM one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.”

John 8:23. “And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM from above: ye are of this world; I AM not of this world.”

John 8:24. “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM he, ye shall die in your sins.”

John 8:28. “Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I AM he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.”

John 8.58. “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 9:5 “As long as I AM in the world. I AM the light of the world.”.

John 9:9. “Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I AM he.”

John 10:7. “Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you. I AM the door of the sheep.”

John 10:9. “I AM the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.”

John 10:11. “I AM the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.”

John 10:14. “I AM the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.”

John 10:36. “Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I AM the Son of God?”

John 11:25. “Jesus said unto her, I AM the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:”

John 13:19. “Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I AM he.”

John 14:6. “Jesus saith unto him, I AM the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

John 16:1. “I AM the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.”

John 15:5. “I AM the vine, ye are the branches. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit; for without me ye can do nothing.”

John 18:5. “They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I AM he. And Judas also, which betrayed him. stood with them.”

John 19:21. “Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I AM King of the Jews.”
 
The Gospel in for the maternity ward for Christianity. Its where baby Christians begin.

Sound doctrinal teaching from a few qualified pastor teachers is what restore man back to having a functional relationship with God.
Sound doctrine produces maturity in Christ.

Too many goofy ideas about what Bible passages mean is the reason for our sense of having our freedom get sloppy.

Here is why Christians who want to have a healthy relationship with God must find sound doctrinal teachings lest they end up going astray.

Isaiah 55:8-9​
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

So many passages are being misunderstood because very few are able to exegete properly.
We end up telling believers things that agree with their own thoughts, and approves of their own way of doing things.

And, we end up with the mess we find ourselves in today...



2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


Sound doctrine when first hearing can initially make one feel stupid. Why? Because, His ways are not our ways.
We would never have thought of it that way naturally.

Many want to feel that God feels the same way they do on a matter, and will not "put up with sound doctrine."
That is why many Christians are led by their emotions and desires and fall into false teachings designed to please
them with what they would want to hear about God.



Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

That is why it says we need to have our minds transformed by the renewing of our minds that comes from the sound teaching of God's Word.


Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will."
Romans 12:2

Look at all the denominations that have locked onto the personalities with the misuse of God's Word that will attract certain natural mind sets into their pews. TULIP Calvinists have a certain hardness in their natural way of thinking. Catholics want someone to tell them what to think and do works to feel justified before God..Certain Baptists insist unless you get water baptized you are not yet saved.... etc...

We are still here in spite of it all.
We are restored in our relationship with God at the new birth , that is when we are redeemed and have fellowship with the Father/Son through the Holy Spirit. You are talking about the process of sanctification.
 
QUESTIONS-LESSON THIRTY-TWO
1. In John 7:46, what did the Jews say concerning the sayings of the Lord Jesus?

2. Name several verses and the doctrines in which Christ is referred to as, “this Man.”

3. How many times in John’s Gospel does Christ mention Himself in the first person pronoun?

4. Why were the Jews attempting to stone Christ to death, according to John 10:33 and John 5:18?

5. In John 20:28, what did Thomas call the Lord Jesus Christ?

6. What would you say is the difference between the titles of the Lord Jesus as the Son of man and the Son of God?

7. Again state why John’s Gospel was written according to John 20:31. Why was I John written according to I John 5:13?

8. What does Christ call Himself in John 14:6? How many times in John’s Gospel is found the word, “life?”

9. Mention the “musts” of John’s Gospel? Why must He be lifted up according to John 3:14 and 15? Why must He go through Samaria?

10. Mention several verses in the sixth chapter of John in which Christ calls Himself “Bread”. Explain how the manna of Exodus typified Christ, the “Bread from heaven.”

11. In what verses in John does Christ mention the Father’s love for the Son? Why did the Father love the Son according to John 10:17?

12. What else did Christ say when He told His disciple to put up his sword?

13. Quote several statements that Christ made concerning the Father’s work in John’s Gospel.

14. In what verse did Christ say, “I have finished the work?” Where was He when He cried, “It is finished” or “Finished?”

15. What is the sinner’s first work in John’s Gospel? What must the sinner be according to Ephesians 2:10 before God will accept his work?

16. What would you say concerning Christ’s hour in John? Quote and explain John 12:27.

17. How many times in John’s Gospel does Christ call Himself “I AM?” Quote John 8:24. What is the penalty for not believing that Christ is the I AM?

18. How many times is the word “Father,” referring to God, found in John’s Gospel? What did Christ say in John 10:30; 14:9; and John 5:23?

19. In what verse did Christ declare that He had glory with the Father before the world was? That the Father loved Him before the world was?

20. Now quote John 13:1. Tell of Christ’s love for His disciples.

Hope this is what you want @GeneZ
 

What purpose is Jesus both God and Man Union?​


Hello there,

I don't believe anyone has mentioned the necessity that the Lord Jesus Christ should become, 'a Kinsman-Redeemer', in order to have the right to redeem. He had to take on the form of a man, for that purpose. Also to become a second Adam, in order to nullify the effect of the failure of the first.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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