You
@jeremiah1five are the one who started out telling ME that
"Gentiles can NOT be (or will NOT be) born-again." therefore as a gentile I am not nor will I be born again or saved.... We had this discussion in a DM.
God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) and with HIS SEED.
7 And I will establish my covenant
between me and
thee and
thy seed after thee in their generations
for an everlasting covenant,
to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Genesis 17:7.
His seed we know from Scripture was born with his wife, a free woman, and this birth was Isaac, son of Promise (meaning he is the heir Abram asked God for in Genesis 15)
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of
the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. Genesis 15:3–4.
Abram was childless and the only existing heir was a servant, Eliezer of Damascus. NOTE: of Damascus.
When God's Promises to Abram and Isaac were not fulfilled in their lifetimes, Isaac had two children of which God declared the Promises of Abram and Isaac were inherited by Jacob. Jacob had twelve sons legally by his four wives - two of which were Leah and Rachel, daughters of Laban who was a relative and descendant of Eber, from which the word "Hebrew" derives. In other words, these births followed a biological line from Abram that was mainly withing Eber's descendants and biological family line. There were no foreigners involved in these births. That's what Scripture reveals, and this is what I believe. Now, we can go and discuss the family line of Jacob's twelve sons and their wives and the most we would be able to gather is that either these wives were also related to Eber or they were not, which means the births of Jacob's twelve sons and their wives may be mixed-race. That is the extent of any conclusions one can reach. But the fact is that as long as the hereditary promises of God through birth is valid in Scripture one cannot go beyond these truths except to add to the Bible things it doesn't say. And what it doesn't say is that Abram's Promises which God made to him and HIS SEED also included someone who was NOT his seed. Is that your position? If so, please provide the Scripture. And don't give me some passage that clearly does not state "non-Hebrew" because the Scripture CLEARLY says "HIS (biological) SEED." You can't misinterpret "HIS SEED" to mean someone NOT "HIS SEED."
For generations the descendants of Abram are listed in Scripture and when we get to Egypt and their bondage there for nearly 430 years until God delivered them, we recognize this people as the children of Jacob (also known as Israel)
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob,
but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Genesis 32:28.
From here we follow the Scripture with the introduction of Moses and his part in being used of God to deliver who God calls "HIS PEOPLE." The Promises that were given to Abram/Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and now inherited by his children - all twelve sons - and the 70 souls we see at the end of Genesis as going to Egypt to live there during famine become nearly 3 million souls. Where in these narratives are the "non-Hebrew Gentiles" you claim God made covenant with?
So now you are saying Universalism in a "doctrine of demons", then non-Hebrew Gentiles cannot be saved. That's it.
According to Scripture there are only two races in existence: Jew/Hebrew and non-Jew/Hebrew. If you want to be distracted by saying there are more than two races in existence like the black race, or the Indian race, or the Caucasian race, or the Chinese race, etc., I'd say you are being deceived. There are only two races: Jew and non-Jew (Gentile.) So, if we have a covenant with Abram and his seed, a people who would be called the "children of Israel (Jacob), and you claim a covenant - without Scripture proof - between God and non-Jews then you have Universalism for what was once a covenant with one or two parts of humanity you have clumped into ONE then that's Universalism (including Jew and non-Jew.) THIS is not a doctrine of God from Scripture but a contrivance of men - non-Hebrew Gentiles - who know of and understand there is a God and He is the God of the Hebrews. Why do you suppose people hate the Jews? Why do you suppose that after centuries of what Scripture and human history has recorded with regard to this people and the many attempts to exterminate them, they exist to this day? Only God can make that happen. Not only that but they have been restored to their ancient homeland: the land called Israel. My understanding of Scripture is in line
with Scripture
and history. Where is Scripture or history is a covenant between God and non-Hebrews and tell me what is the name of this non-Hebrew you claim God has covenant with. We have the name of Abram/Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We see in Scripture God making covenant with Abram and his biological seed - Isaac and Jacob, and later through Moses with Jacob's descendants - the twelve sons or tribes of Israel. Where is proof of God making covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles and what are the terms of this covenant that we may all study and discuss??
Now, if the covenant is with Abram and HIS SEED and we come to Jesus who is also his seed and what Jesus did and represents, then the covenant is fulfilled in Him and this concluded God's covenant promises made to Abram that followed a family line to Jesus and His substitutionary sacrifice - in place of the animal - which was sacrificed yearly
to atone the sins of the children of Israel, Isaac, and Abraham, then the end of all righteousness
is Christ (Anointing/Holy Spirit) and His sacrifice was to atone finally and eternally the sins of the children of Israel - there is no passage in the Old Testament that claims non-Hebrews were a part of the Mosaic Covenant and that they were also atoned along with the children of Israel every year when the Hebrew high priest laid his hands on the sacrifice and killed it on behalf of God and the children of Israel. Where does it say such things in the Old Testament? Therefore, if the Promise is with Abram and his seed and you claim to really be a born-again man saved in the same fashion as the three thousand Jews who were born-again on Pentecost, then the fact of the matter is that YOYU ARE NOT NON-HEBREW as your new birth in the Spirit is a Promise given to Israel (by Joel), then you are NOT non-Hebrew but in fact ARE at least having one Hebrew parent in your ancestry as is mine, a descendant of Abram and some non-Hebrew in your and mine family line. That is the ONLY conclusion to understanding God does not lie and the covenant He made with Abram is also with HIS SEED. The good this about this is that it is reasonable to conclude this. What is also beautiful about that is that it cannot be proved BUT it also CANNOT be disproved. But it is factually concluded through study of Redemption history God begun with Abram and concluded with Christ Jesus. And Jesus the Christ (the Holy Spirit rested on His shoulder) is the lamb OF GOD who was sacrificed for the children of Israel, Isaac, and Abraham. Now what? What do you have to offer that establishes a salvation covenant between God and non-Hebrews NOT of Abraham's seed? The best you can come up with is a mixed-Hebrew/non-Hebrew descendancy.
Yet it is you who pitched a fit when I put you in ignore because "God would not like it"..... God does not want those born again to ignore each other and I very tentatively made a scant few replies to you and then I sent you that info on Saul/Paul....
True. God would not and does not like anyone to buck His will for the Body of Christ/Spirit for what God has joined together let NO MAN tear asunder. I am a member of His Bride. I AM His Bride. You don't have the right to unjoin yourself as a Bridal entourage to any other bridal member. God joins together and YOU tear apart. How does that figure in your theology?
But here you are 6 -plus month ago talking like you first were when I started to read you.
You
@jeremiah1five are not my brother because you have basically indicated that to be so.....
However
@Behold is my brother and you never forget this.
To that I maintain:
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need:
but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
25
That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
1 Corinthians 12:21–25.
Do you know what "schism" is? It's a cut or tear in a fabric or piece of wood. Now, if you take an ax to a piece of wood and cut a sliver into the wood how hard will it be to restore the piece back to the body? Quite impossible, actually. That's what your actions of saying and doing...
3 Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of
evil thoughts?
James 2:3–4.
Those who are true born of God are ONE BODY. I have made one conclusion in accordance with Scripture record and it is this: God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew SEED. Christ Jesus came to end the yearly sacrifices with the sacrifice of Himself for the Promised children of Israel. If you are true born of God and I am true born of God then we are in one body. But if you want to take an ax to the body and cleve me out, then the evil thoughts and action is yours to bear. You are willful against what God is done, and this makes you antiGod and you do damage to
His body.
Hooray for you for trying to hurt God.
