Things that accompany Christ

jeremiah1five said:
Back up. Saul is addressing a people who were under a "schoolmaster" and under the Law of Moses (Gal. 3:23), meaning Saul is addressing Jews who were under a "schoolmaster" and under the Law.
And the Church Christ promised to build is only an extension, a spiritual extension of a "great congregation" that consisted of Hebrews that God delivered from the bondage of Egypt and who were led through the desert ending up at the foot of Mount Sinai where God gave the children of Israel His Law for living and life. On the birthday of the Church of "called out" [Greek: "ekklesia"] people why is it that three thousand Jews were the only ones baptized into the Hebrew body of Christ during the Jewish Feast of Harvest that day?

Saul is addressing Jews who were under a "schoolmaster" and that schoolmaster are the people of the Law, a people who were under the Law of Moses, that it is they who by being Christ's were still a people who were heirs of the promise given to Abraham and Abraham's seed.

God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. And since you claim falsely that He did tell me his name. Who is this non-Hebrew Gentile you say through whom God gave covenant promises to? PROVE your false belief and post the Scripture telling the name of this non-Hebrew Gentile God made covenant with.
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The all Israel that shall be saved is the Church the Body of Christ where race isnt a factor Gal 3:28-29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed]Israel], and heirs according to the promise.
 
brightfame52 said:
The all Israel that shall be saved is the Church the Body of Christ where race isnt a factor Gal 3:28-29
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Jews populate the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, and why not? He has covenant with the Hebrew people to save the Hebrew people going all the way back to Abraham.
The Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets are writings of 39 "books" ALL authored by Hebrew authors from all walks of Hebrew life and these writings are God's Word to the Hebrew people. They are His Church (Greek: "ekklesia" = "called out [ones]") for they (the Hebrew people) were called out of Egypt just as He promised Abraham in Genesis 15. God also "called out" baby Jesus out of Egypt after baby Jesus' enemies were all dead and Joseph and Mary settled in Nazareth.

Besides various personal individual promises God made to certain people like David, and Moses, and Joseph, etc., God made a national covenant with the children of Israel through Abraham that extended to his Hebrew seed (Isaac, Jacob, Jacob's twelve sons, etc.), and the three divisions of the Hebrew Scripture record God's dealings with this people, with the giving of God's Law that instructs and commands the Hebrew people in all aspects of Hebrew life, religion, culture, politics, and society. There is no other covenants between God and man except the three major national covenants that in each include the Hebrew people. The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13 - as he is ethnically described by God), and with Abram's Hebrew seed, a people whose population would grow in 400 years of slavery in Egypt to become 2-3 million Hebrew people, God also made covenant with the children of Israel beginning in Egypt with Passover and including the giving Of God's Law to this people in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle, and the New Covenant which Jeremiah the prophets prophesied was to include the God of Abraham and the House of Israel (ten northern kingdom tribes), and the House of Judah (two southern kingdom tribes.)
There is no Scripture that the God of Abraham ever made covenant promises to non-Hebrew Gentiles and non-Hebrew Gentiles are NOT included in any of these three Hebrew covenants.
brightfame52 said:
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed]Israel], and heirs according to the promise.
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You quote Galatians 3:28-29 and this letter written by Saul was written to Jews and Jewish Christians, especially where you quote Galatians, which Saul is addressing the Jewish Christians in the region who have become followers of Christ and very concerned with their standing in the Abraham Covenant. He is the quote from Saul himself:
You do know how to read a letter, yes?

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all [JEWS] under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe [meaning the JEWS].
23 But before faith came, we [JEWS] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [JEWS] schoolmaster to bring us [JEWS] unto Christ, that we [JEWS] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [JEWS} are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [JEWS] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [JEWS] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Saul goes on to comfort and encourage those Jewish Christians who became followers of Christ that it is precisely because they are followers of Christ who was prophesied by the Jewish prophets that they are all one in Christ, and if they are all one in Christ that they are STILL Abraham's seed and HEIRS according to those promises. Notice Saul includes Hellenized Hebrews by mentioning those who were raised in GREEK culture and that Saul does NOT say "Gentile."

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [JEWS] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [JEWS] be Christ’s, then are ye [JEWS STILL and] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:19–29.

ONLY the Hebrew seed of Abraham are in the Abraham and Mosaic Covenants. Gentiles have NEVER been "under a schoolmaster/The Law" and were NEVER the rightful heir of those covenant promises God gave to father Abraham.

Saul is NOT addressing non-Hebrew Gentiles because Gentiles were never under the Law he identified as a "schoolmaster" that leads a Jew to Christ and through Christ to their God.

To say that these verses - let alone the whole letter - is addressed to uncircumcised, non-Hebrew, non-covenant Gentiles who were NEVER in any of the Hebrew covenants clearly shows you have no reading comprehension and for you to claim against all the evidence-points I identified is to unrighteously hold to false teaching against God who you claim to serve.

God made NO COVENANT with Gentiles. NONE!
 
jeremiah1five said:
Jews populate the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, and why not? He has covenant with the Hebrew people to save the Hebrew people going all the way back to Abraham.
The Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets are writings of 39 "books" ALL authored by Hebrew authors from all walks of Hebrew life and these writings are God's Word to the Hebrew people. They are His Church (Greek: "ekklesia" = "called out [ones]") for they (the Hebrew people) were called out of Egypt just as He promised Abraham in Genesis 15. God also "called out" baby Jesus out of Egypt after baby Jesus' enemies were all dead and Joseph and Mary settled in Nazareth.

Besides various personal individual promises God made to certain people like David, and Moses, and Joseph, etc., God made a national covenant with the children of Israel through Abraham that extended to his Hebrew seed (Isaac, Jacob, Jacob's twelve sons, etc.), and the three divisions of the Hebrew Scripture record God's dealings with this people, with the giving of God's Law that instructs and commands the Hebrew people in all aspects of Hebrew life, religion, culture, politics, and society. There is no other covenants between God and man except the three major national covenants that in each include the Hebrew people. The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13 - as he is ethnically described by God), and with Abram's Hebrew seed, a people whose population would grow in 400 years of slavery in Egypt to become 2-3 million Hebrew people, God also made covenant with the children of Israel beginning in Egypt with Passover and including the giving Of God's Law to this people in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle, and the New Covenant which Jeremiah the prophets prophesied was to include the God of Abraham and the House of Israel (ten northern kingdom tribes), and the House of Judah (two southern kingdom tribes.)
There is no Scripture that the God of Abraham ever made covenant promises to non-Hebrew Gentiles and non-Hebrew Gentiles are NOT included in any of these three Hebrew covenants.

You quote Galatians 3:28-29 and this letter written by Saul was written to Jews and Jewish Christians, especially where you quote Galatians, which Saul is addressing the Jewish Christians in the region who have become followers of Christ and very concerned with their standing in the Abraham Covenant. He is the quote from Saul himself:
You do know how to read a letter, yes?

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all [JEWS] under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe [meaning the JEWS].
23 But before faith came, we [JEWS] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [JEWS] schoolmaster to bring us [JEWS] unto Christ, that we [JEWS] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [JEWS} are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [JEWS] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [JEWS] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Saul goes on to comfort and encourage those Jewish Christians who became followers of Christ that it is precisely because they are followers of Christ who was prophesied by the Jewish prophets that they are all one in Christ, and if they are all one in Christ that they are STILL Abraham's seed and HEIRS according to those promises. Notice Saul includes Hellenized Hebrews by mentioning those who were raised in GREEK culture and that Saul does NOT say "Gentile."

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [JEWS] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [JEWS] be Christ’s, then are ye [JEWS STILL and] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:19–29.

ONLY the Hebrew seed of Abraham are in the Abraham and Mosaic Covenants. Gentiles have NEVER been "under a schoolmaster/The Law" and were NEVER the rightful heir of those covenant promises God gave to father Abraham.

Saul is NOT addressing non-Hebrew Gentiles because Gentiles were never under the Law he identified as a "schoolmaster" that leads a Jew to Christ and through Christ to their God.

To say that these verses - let alone the whole letter - is addressed to uncircumcised, non-Hebrew, non-covenant Gentiles who were NEVER in any of the Hebrew covenants clearly shows you have no reading comprehension and for you to claim against all the evidence-points I identified is to unrighteously hold to false teaching against God who you claim to serve.

God made NO COVENANT with Gentiles. NONE!
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Same O, trusting in the flesh
 
brightfame52 said:
Same O, trusting in the flesh
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Your accusation proves to me you cannot refute that Saul is addressing Jews and Jewish Christian in his Galatian letter, especially chapter 3 where you believe that Saul is writing to Gentiles (he's actually writing to "Greek" meaning Hellenized JEWS), and additionally, your belief that Galatians 3:28-29 Saul is referring to Gentiles is in error by the use of his statements that went before, statements like the use of "the Law" and "schoolmaster" which are references to the Jews as they were the people that were under the Law and NOT Gentiles.
In other words, you're a cop out. But if you want to deny the truth and remain blinded by your depraved mind, go ahead and have at it.
What a shame.

Take note. I believe the LORD has unlocked my understanding of these following passages of Scripture:

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:3–5.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:9–12.

Without a doubt the Hebrew Scripture of the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets, DO NOT record God making any covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
You know it and I know it, and others here also know it and cannot refute the truth that Scripture records NO COVENANT between the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and non-Hebrew Gentiles.

I believe I KNOW what that "strong delusion" is that God shall send upon the world (NOT upon the Jewish Church.)
I also KNOW with considerable reasonableness HOW this "strong delusion" will occur.
It is the delusion that non-Hebrew Gentiles are sharing the Abrahamic Covenant with the Jews and this all began very soon after the Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple and again scattered the Jewish people into non-Hebrew Gentile lands.

You have not refuted my position that the New Covenant writings (Matthew to Revelation) - Galatians included - were all written by Jews and Jewish Christians to and for other Jews and Jewish Christians. Instead, you cop out and think your response to my argument is the way to WIN debates and arguments. I am here to tell you - it is not.
Another one bites the dust!
 
jeremiah1five said:
Your accusation proves to me you cannot refute that Saul is addressing Jews and Jewish Christian in his Galatian letter, especially chapter 3 where you believe that Saul is writing to Gentiles (he's actually writing to "Greek" meaning Hellenized JEWS), and additionally, your belief that Galatians 3:28-29 Saul is referring to Gentiles is in error by the use of his statements that went before, statements like the use of "the Law" and "schoolmaster" which are references to the Jews as they were the people that were under the Law and NOT Gentiles.
In other words, you're a cop out. But if you want to deny the truth and remain blinded by your depraved mind, go ahead and have at it.
What a shame.

Take note. I believe the LORD has unlocked my understanding of these following passages of Scripture:

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:3–5.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:9–12.

Without a doubt the Hebrew Scripture of the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets, DO NOT record God making any covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
You know it and I know it, and others here also know it and cannot refute the truth that Scripture records NO COVENANT between the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and non-Hebrew Gentiles.

I believe I KNOW what that "strong delusion" is that God shall send upon the world (NOT upon the Jewish Church.)
I also KNOW with considerable reasonableness HOW this "strong delusion" will occur.
It is the delusion that non-Hebrew Gentiles are sharing the Abrahamic Covenant with the Jews and this all began very soon after the Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple and again scattered the Jewish people into non-Hebrew Gentile lands.

You have not refuted my position that the New Covenant writings (Matthew to Revelation) - Galatians included - were all written by Jews and Jewish Christians to and for other Jews and Jewish Christians. Instead, you cop out and think your response to my argument is the way to WIN debates and arguments. I am here to tell you - it is not.
Another one bites the dust!
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As stated, you put confidence in the flesh, ethnicity
 
jeremiah1five said:
You lost.
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As stated, you put confidence in the flesh, ethnicity Phil 3:3-5

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
 
brightfame52 said:
As stated, you put confidence in the flesh, ethnicity Phil 3:3-5

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
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Misdirection.

You post Galatians 3:28-29 and tell me this passage refers to the inclusion of "Gentiles" as being included in the Abraham Covenant, but you err because as the text clearly states Saul is addressing Jews and Jewish Christians who are concerned about their standing in the Abraham Covenant now that they are followers of a man named Jesus Christ, or Yeshua Messias. Being a Jew they were not like things are today where one can be joined or associated with several groups or organizations. As a Jew they were staunchly associated to Abraham through birth. The Jews are born out of one of twelve tribes or sons of Jacob. The Samaritan woman at the well makes the same acquaintance as does Saul in your quote above being of the tribe of Benjamin. Therefore, these Jews who became born again of the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (by God through Joel) were concerned about being followers of this man, Jesus, whom the people called Prophet and Christ, and King, didn't know the Scripture as Saul did and who saw the relevance between Jesus and Abraham and the points Saul makes by being a rabbi and a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin. Saul knew Scripture. That's why Saul said what he did in Galatians 3:28-29 about being [of] Christ you were still the seed of Abraham. That's how confused many Jews were and the unsubstantiated rumors and ignorant discussions the Jews had among themselves as revealed in the gospels between two men on the road to Emmaus. Jesus had a deep impact on the Jewish people. People did not immediately know what to think about this man from Nazareth and so after growing up as a Jew one was taught their tribal history which all of it led back to Jacob or Isaac and even Abraham. Now that there were many Jews who became born-again and were now followers of "The Way" things had to be sorted out among the Jews. This is the main reason why God used Saul and before being found by Barnabas and taken to Antioch before that had disappeared into Arabia taking with him his books and parchments and studied for 14-17 years searching the Scripture under the anointing in order to make sense and understand the New Covenant era Israel found herself in, which is why there were Jews in Galatia who didn't understand if being a Christ follower would cause them to lose their standing as a Jew and a son of Abraham. That is why Saul said what he did in Galatians 3:28-29, which you want to use as grounds of Gentile inclusion into the New Covenant.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:28–29.

But Saul is not addressing Gentiles nor does he refer to Gentiles in this passage, but his reference to "Greek" is a reference to Hellenized Jews, not Gentiles. Along with that you completely ignore the statements by Saul that he wrote before that in chapter 3. Saul is clearly writing to Jews and mixed heritage Jews and he does this by bringing up a "schoolmaster" and "the Law" and he connects them both.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we [JEWS] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [JEWS] schoolmaster to bring us [Jews] unto Christ, that we [JEWS] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [JEWS] are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [Jews] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [JEWS] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [JEWS] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [JEWS] be Christ’s, then are ye [still JEWS and] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:19–29.

Saul is clearly writing to Jews here. Saul had to ease their minds by telling these Jews that if they were followers of the man called Christ, that they were still the seed of Abraham and remain heirs of those promises by God.
What you need to do is acknowledge the truth but you don't and won't. Instead you want to twist Scripture and add Gentiles into the discussion between Saul and Jewish Christians in the Galatian region who had honest concerns about Jesus and Abraham and how it impacted their standing as being sons of Abraham.

God made NO COVENANT with non-Hebrew Gentiles and Gentiles have always been and still are OUTSIDE the saving covenants of God.
 
brightfame52 said:
@jeremiah1five



Thats you, You just trusting in the flesh Salvation is never conditioned on nationality. Thats heresy
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You still haven't agreed or disagreed that Saul's letter to the Galatian Jewish Churches in the Galatian region (circular letter) was written to the Jews and Jewish Christians at that location and that Saul's comment "there is neither Jew of Greek" means Greek is referring to Hellenized Jews or mixed heritage Jews who became born-again as they are still the seed of Abraham.

You want to change the word "Greek" in Gal. 3:28 to "Gentile" but then you are changing the word and in changing a word is changing the meaning. Saul does not say, "there is neither Jew or Gentile" which is what you want it to say so that you can use it to support your "Gentile-inclusion" to the Abraham Covenant as Galatian 3:29 states "if you are Christ's then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise." But Gentiles were never under the Law [of Moses] nor as Saul states, "under a schoolmaster."

So, answer my statement and stop trying to avoid it. That only shows you're not honest with Scripture. Your attitude at avoiding the question and changing the word from "Greek" to Gentile" proves a deceptive "heart" which is another way of sayings "lying heart."
You avoid replying and want to misdirect the conversation to me and "the flesh" but God is not of confusion, and I'd prefer you stop trying to create confusion. If you're going to profess to be a Christian, then obey the command of Christ to "sanctify the Lord Jesus in your heart and always be ready to give an answer to those that ask of the hope in you."

I grow weary of your avoiding tactics.
 
Things that accompany Salvation !

Heb 6:9

9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Did you know that things accompany Salvation ? Christ is a complete Saviour, by His Death all that was necessary was provided for everyone He died for, that they would live by Faith, for the Just shall live by Faith.

Christ is Our Salvation, if He died for us, and things accompany Him. Remember Paul wrote in Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

The word with here is the greek word syn and it means: with as in union with .

So with the Giving of Christ who is our Salvation, to make it effective and complete things accompanied Him, things were given along with Him.
 
jeremiah1five said:
You still haven't agreed or disagreed that Saul's letter to the Galatian Jewish Churches in the Galatian region (circular letter) was written to the Jews and Jewish Christians at that location and that Saul's comment "there is neither Jew of Greek" means Greek is referring to Hellenized Jews or mixed heritage Jews who became born-again as they are still the seed of Abraham.

You want to change the word "Greek" in Gal. 3:28 to "Gentile" but then you are changing the word and in changing a word is changing the meaning. Saul does not say, "there is neither Jew or Gentile" which is what you want it to say so that you can use it to support your "Gentile-inclusion" to the Abraham Covenant as Galatian 3:29 states "if you are Christ's then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise." But Gentiles were never under the Law [of Moses] nor as Saul states, "under a schoolmaster."

So, answer my statement and stop trying to avoid it. That only shows you're not honest with Scripture. Your attitude at avoiding the question and changing the word from "Greek" to Gentile" proves a deceptive "heart" which is another way of sayings "lying heart."
You avoid replying and want to misdirect the conversation to me and "the flesh" but God is not of confusion, and I'd prefer you stop trying to create confusion. If you're going to profess to be a Christian, then obey the command of Christ to "sanctify the Lord Jesus in your heart and always be ready to give an answer to those that ask of the hope in you."

I grow weary of your avoiding tactics.
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You just trusting in the flesh Salvation is never conditioned on nationality. Thats heresy
 
brightfame52 said:
You just trusting in the flesh Salvation is never conditioned on nationality. Thats heresy
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That's EXECTLY the way God made it.
In calling Abram [a] Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) God effectively made it about one family which through intermarriage among relatives the Hebrew race was born in Abraham. Later, through Moses and the giving of the Law the children of Jacob (AKA Israel) became a nation with God's Law(s) leading and guiding the nation - something that non-Hebrew Gentiles (as "Gentiles" came into use to describe non-Hebrews) did not have. Besides the covenant between God and Abram the Hebrew it was circumcision OF THE FLESH that sealed the deal - until revelatory expression of the Abraham Covenant took shape under the Mosaic form of God's government for the Hebrew people.

No other family has, nor can they claim any covenant between non-Hebrew "Gentiles" and the God of Abraham for there is none and the never has been one. Individuals from the various twelve tribes (or sons) of Jacob (whom God changed his name to "Israel") received special recognition and attention from God, individuals from the various tribes such as Judah, Joseph, Levi, Joshua, Caleb, David, and Solomon each received special promises from God. And there are more, Aaron, Moses, Zebulun, Asher, Deborah, also had special attention and promises given them of God for special service or obedience. And of course, there is Jesus from the tribe of Judah.

These ethnic Hebrews were remarkable in their own respective lives which the Hall of Faith identifies in Hebrew 11 (Note the name of the book: Hebrews.) The Hebrew people received and enjoyed great promises from God thus fulfilling the prophecy from God Himself to Abraham, that, "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed" Ge 12:2–3.

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2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee;
Genesis 17:2–10.

Having the God who created the universe and all that is in it as their own personal God emboldened various men and women of the Hebrew seed of Abraham to many great faith and deeds (works and faith), individuals such as:

32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,
Heb 11:32–12:1.

All of these so named and honored by God did great and magnificent things for the God of Abraham all did them because of their all having one thing in common: They all knew the God who created the heavens and the earth. All of them Hebrew and all of them blessed of God and their descendants as promised by God when He said, "in thee all the [Hebrew] families of the earth (אֶרֶץ - pronounced *eretz) shall be blessed."
God in Christ and because of Christ chose them all. And none of them belonging to no other family but the Hebrew family and descendant of Eber from whom the Hebrew race was singled out and chosen by God to and for salvation, a salvation built upon the Law of Moses and in the body and blood of the Lamb of God who would one day keep the one promise given them, one that taketh away the sin of the [Hebrew] world of ethnic Hebrew seed.
(*eretz referring to the Promised Land called Israel.)

God made no such comparable covenant with any non-Hebrew Gentile or their Gentile seed.
NONE.

(It is embarrassing your limited mind cannot see this. But "Hey! God controls the seeing eye and the hearing ear and the thinking mind.")
 
jeremiah1five said:
That's EXECTLY the way God made it.
In calling Abram [a] Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) God effectively made it about one family which through intermarriage among relatives the Hebrew race was born in Abraham. Later, through Moses and the giving of the Law the children of Jacob (AKA Israel) became a nation with God's Law(s) leading and guiding the nation - something that non-Hebrew Gentiles (as "Gentiles" came into use to describe non-Hebrews) did not have. Besides the covenant between God and Abram the Hebrew it was circumcision OF THE FLESH that sealed the deal - until revelatory expression of the Abraham Covenant took shape under the Mosaic form of God's government for the Hebrew people.

No other family has, nor can they claim any covenant between non-Hebrew "Gentiles" and the God of Abraham for there is none and the never has been one. Individuals from the various twelve tribes (or sons) of Jacob (whom God changed his name to "Israel") received special recognition and attention from God, individuals from the various tribes such as Judah, Joseph, Levi, Joshua, Caleb, David, and Solomon each received special promises from God. And there are more, Aaron, Moses, Zebulun, Asher, Deborah, also had special attention and promises given them of God for special service or obedience. And of course, there is Jesus from the tribe of Judah.

These ethnic Hebrews were remarkable in their own respective lives which the Hall of Faith identifies in Hebrew 11 (Note the name of the book: Hebrews.) The Hebrew people received and enjoyed great promises from God thus fulfilling the prophecy from God Himself to Abraham, that, "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed" Ge 12:2–3.

and

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee;
Genesis 17:2–10.

Having the God who created the universe and all that is in it as their own personal God emboldened various men and women of the Hebrew seed of Abraham to many great faith and deeds (works and faith), individuals such as:

32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,
Heb 11:32–12:1.

All of these so named and honored by God did great and magnificent things for the God of Abraham all did them because of their all having one thing in common: They all knew the God who created the heavens and the earth. All of them Hebrew and all of them blessed of God and their descendants as promised by God when He said, "in thee all the [Hebrew] families of the earth (אֶרֶץ - pronounced *eretz) shall be blessed."
God in Christ and because of Christ chose them all. And none of them belonging to no other family but the Hebrew family and descendant of Eber from whom the Hebrew race was singled out and chosen by God to and for salvation, a salvation built upon the Law of Moses and in the body and blood of the Lamb of God who would one day keep the one promise given them, one that taketh away the sin of the [Hebrew] world of ethnic Hebrew seed.
(*eretz referring to the Promised Land called Israel.)

God made no such comparable covenant with any non-Hebrew Gentile or their Gentile seed.
NONE.

(It is embarrassing your limited mind cannot see this. But "Hey! God controls the seeing eye and the hearing ear and the thinking mind.")
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You just trusting in the flesh Salvation is never conditioned on nationality. Thats heresy
 
brightfame52 said:
You just trusting in the flesh Salvation is never conditioned on nationality. Thats heresy
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Then tell me why the whole Bible is all about a Hebrew people called ISRAEL?
The Law is about the children of Israel, the Psalms are about a "great congregation" called Israel, and the Prophets are all Hebrew men (and women) with a message from the God of Abraham to the Hebrew people called Israel?

And don't lie.
 
jeremiah1five said:
Then tell me why the whole Bible is all about a Hebrew people called ISRAEL?
The Law is about the children of Israel, the Psalms are about a "great congregation" called Israel, and the Prophets are all Hebrew men (and women) with a message from the God of Abraham to the Hebrew people called Israel?

And don't lie.
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You deceived, trusting in the flesh
 

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