The Present Situation in the Middle East

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December 29th - 2024

' I considered the horns, and, behold,
there came up among them another little horn,
before whom there were three of the first horns
plucked up by the roots:

and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man,
and a mouth speaking great things.'

(Dan 7:8)

Hello there,

... Russia has actually not left its port or airbase in Syria. They are holding talks with the `rebels` and obviously want to maintain relations there.
Russia has been training North African nations in the military. The Ethiopians wanted to join the Russia - Ukraine war but Russia did not need them then. However, as their army loses great numbers, they will change their mind and I believe, accept the Ethiopians into their army.

But a few events have to happen first before the great army from the north comes down to the Golan heights.

To understand what is happening in the Middle East we need to know the two factions of Islam - Shia and Sunni. Shia believe their leader needs to be a descendant of Mohammed while the Sunni group believe that a good leader is what they need.

These two groups have been fighting for centuries. Don`t know if you remember the Iraq/Iran 7 year war a while back. Then recently we have Iran (Shia) feeding its proxies, (Hezbollah and Hamas) weapons through Syria to attack Israel. Now that is closed somewhat, and a Sunni leader has taken charge in Syria.
This Sunni leader is called a rebel by the West because he had connections to ISIS. However, he has separated from them and now desires to have legitimacy. Thus, he wears a suit and is getting the country up and running. The West will be watching to see how he treats other groups. Eventually his Sunni group will be accepted by the West.

This is relevant for the 3 nations of Iraq, Syria and Jordan, (Old Assyria, the Levant) will make a peace treaty with Israel after the Russian Federation etc get their army nearly wiped out in the Golan heights.
The one who will make the Peace Treaty with Israel is a Sunni from Iraq and thus the others will also be Sunni Islam.
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These three, Iraq, Syria and Jordan, are the three `horns pulled up by their roots. `(Dan. 7: 8)
meaning that the Peace Maker (A/C) will have those 3 nations backing him
and put an end to their division by France and Britain.
That is why it is so important for Syria to have a Sunni leader,
so that he will join with the Peace Maker.

* I have quoted the above responses that I have received, concerning the events taking place in the middle east currently, in order to prompt discussion on it here. 'Marlyn', who kindly made those comments in response to questions I asked of her, has an interesting blog on the subject in the 'Worthy' Christian website.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Should there be any mountains we must climb
God will supply, He will supply all the strength that we need
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We have come from every nation, God knows each of us by name
Jesus took his blood and he washed our sins
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Soon and very soon
We are going to see the King
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Soon and very soon
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Hallelujah, hallelujah
We're going to see the king
Soon and very soon
We are going to see the King
Soon and very soon
We are going to see the King
Soon and very soon
We are going to see the King
Hallelujah, hallelujah
We're going to see the King
No more crying there
We are going to see the King
No more crying there
We are going to see the King
No more crying there
We are going to see the King
Hallelujah, hallelujah
We're going to see the King
Hallelujah, ooh-ooh-jah
No more dying there (no more dying there)
Because we are going to see the King (we are going to see the king)
We're coming from every nation (no more dying there)
We are going to see the King
No more dying there (no more dying there)
Because we are going (we are going to see the King)
Singing (hallelujah, hallelujah, we're going to see the King)
Hallelujah, ooh-ooh-jah
Should there be any rivers, we must cross
Should there be any mountains we must climb
God will supply, He will supply all the strength that we need
Give us grace 'til we reach the other side (oh)
We have come from every nation, God knows each of us by name
Jesus took his blood and he washed our sins
And he washed them all away
Yes, there are some of us who have laid down our lives
But we all shall live again on the other side
Oh, so soon
Soon and very soon
(We are going) we are going to see the King
(It won't be long)
Soon and very soon
We are going to see the King (yes, we are going)
(Oh, so very soon)
Soon and very soon
We are going to see the King
Hallelujah (hallelujah), hallelujah (hallelujah)
We're going to see the King
Hallelujah, ooh-ooh-jah
Hallelujah, ooh-ooh-jah
Hallelujah, ooh-ooh-jah
That's funny as when I was typing the post that song came to mind.
 
December 29th - 2024

' I considered the horns, and, behold,
there came up among them another little horn,
before whom there were three of the first horns
plucked up by the roots:

and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man,
and a mouth speaking great things.'

(Dan 7:8)

Hello there,


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* I have quoted the above responses that I have received, concerning the events taking place in the middle east currently, in order to prompt discussion on it here. 'Marlyn', who kindly made those comments in response to questions I asked of her, has an interesting blog on the subject in the 'Worthy' Christian website.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
The Animal Vision of the Tyrants of the Past Empires (7:1-8)

Daniel has chosen to share as the first vision that he himself received in a night dream that came to him while he was lying on his bed in the first year of Belshazzar (1). Indeed, many evangelical scholars have viewed this vision as one of the key prophecies of the Bible in which God has outlined the future of the world extending from the rule of the Babylonians to the Second Advent of Messiah. This would explain why this chapter is so highly regarded by many interpreters.

Daniel saw “the four winds of heaven” “churning up the great sea” (2). It appears that these four winds were coming from heaven and that they were stirring up either the Mediterranean Sea or, better still, the sea of humanity (Lk 21:25; Mt 13:47; Rev 13:1). The collocation of these four winds, a churned-up sea, and the imagery of the animals, together suggested something more than the usual or ordinary type of storm. Nevertheless, from out of the agitated sea came one animal representing one empire after another.

A. Babylon

The first animal of the four appeared “like a lion” with “the wings of an eagle” (4). Such a motif was not unfamiliar to those who were accustomed to Babylonian art, nor were the allusions to the speed and strength of this lion, much less the soaring flight of an eagle, lost on that original audience. The winged lion was well known in that day as a symbol of the Babylonian Empire. For just as the lion was the king of the beasts and the eagle was the most noble among the birds, so Daniel 2 had earlier represented Babylon as the head of gold, the most valuable and cohesive of all the metals.

The prophet watched until its wings were “torn off” and “it was lifted from the ground and “stood on two feet like a man,” as a “heart of a man was given to it” (4). This may refer to both the early end of this empire and the rebuke of God that Nebuchadnezzar underwent until he finally was restored in his sanity after seven years of living as an animal.

B. Medo-Persia

Daniel’s second beast arising from the churning sea “looked like a bear,” which was raised on one side and it had three ribs in its mouth (5). It was given permission of rise up and “eat [its] fill.” The huge size of this animal may well reflect the fact that the kingdom of Medo-Persia had an army of some two and a half million men (as we are informed from other sources about the battle of Xerxes against Greece). The fact that it was raised on one sided fits very nicely, not only with its predatory stance, but with the fact that Persia was more dominate than Media in this joint partnership arrangement, just as the colossus in Daniel 2 signified this same duality with the silver chest and the two arms. Daniel would later learn that all four animals represented four kingdoms (17). Moreover, in Daniel 8, the ram, which repeats the vision of the bear, had two horns as well, again pointing to the two nations of Media and Persia.

The three ribs in the mouth of the bear are clearly three territories the bear has captured or conquered, but there is not always current agreement on which kingdoms they pointed to. But Gleason Archer (Daniel, p 86) pointed to the fact that Cyrus and his son Cambyses were involved in three major campaigns: in 546 B.C. they triumphed over the Lydian kingdom in Asia Minor (present day Turkey), in 539 B.C. they defeated Babylon, and in 525 B.C. Cambyses annexed the kingdom of Egypt. These probably are the three ribs the text representationally referred to here.

C. Greco-Macedonian

A third animal arose from the storm-tossed sea, i.e., a leopard (6). This animal also was a composite, for it had four wings like a bird on its back and it also had four heads. It too was given authority to reign (6e). “After that,” (6a), a note that clearly implies that these kingdoms were sequential and were not to be seen as ruling simultaneously, is specifically pointed out.

This leopard represented Alexander the Great who ruled and conquered huge territories from 334 B.C to 322), but who was followed by his four generals after he suddenly died down near what is today known as Afghanistan. The four heads were his four generals named: Lysimachus, Cassander, Seleucus, and Ptolemy. Cassandra ruled over Macedonia and Greece; Lysimachus was given Thrace and Asia Minor as his kingdom; Seleucus was set over northern Syria and other eastern regions; and finally Ptolemy was installed as ruler over southern Syria, Palestine and Egypt.

D. Roman/Western

The fourth beast was the most terrifying and powerful one of the four animals. Its description focused more on the fact that it had “large iron teeth” and “ten horns,” for it certainly was “different from all the former beasts” (7). As Daniel was focusing on these ten horns of this beast an eleventh horn sprang up and it proceeded to uproot three of the former ten horns (8).

Futurists interpret this “little horn” to be the Antichrist. Our argument is that this fourth kingdom is that final kingdom that will appear at the end of history when a ten-nation federation will arise out of the ruins of the old former Roman Empire. Then it will happen that Antichrist, as the eleventh, but little, horn will uproot three of the ten nations of that day. He has the eyes of a man and a boastful mouth that promotes himself and his work.

Revelation 17:3 has the last world empire as a scarlet beast embracing a tenfold division. Likewise, Paul wrote to the Thessalonicans that this same Antichrist would be known as “the Man of Sin” or “the Son of Perdition” (2 Thess 2:3) or “that wicked One” whose mouth spoke boastfully (2 Thess 2:8).

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yes I believe we are so close to the Return of Christ, His 2nd Coming is knocking at the door. I strongly believe its in our lifetime and sooner rather than later. Look up for your redemption draweth nigh. The signs of the times are here now imho.
I lean towards soon, without locking it to our lifetime so as not to have to deal with Jesus saying no one knows the time except the Father. Soon, but it could still be a century, depending on how quickly things develop. (Which has definitely accelerated. Perhaps Satan is feeling his time drawing short?)
 
'And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:
see that ye be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet.,
.. For nation shall rise against nation,
.... and kingdom against kingdom
...... and there shall be famines,
........ and pestilences,
.......... and earthquakes,
............ in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.'

(Mat 24:6-8)

Hello there,

We are hearing of war, and the rumour of war on a daily basis, and have done for a while now, famine, flood, pestilence, and earthquake, so, 'the beginning of sorrows', does appear to be here. Thankfully we are told to live, looking, for our glorious hope, the appearing of our Saviour in glory (Titus 2:13) when we also shall appear with Him there (Col. 3:4). So that all of these things need not trouble us.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris​
 
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yes I believe we are so close to the Return of Christ, His 2nd Coming is knocking at the door. I strongly believe its in our lifetime and sooner rather than later. Look up for your redemption draweth nigh. The signs of the times are here now imho.
What if i told you Its even at the door .
What if i told you
that many even within christendome are following a false love , and yes that which is of anti christ
but have no idea they are and beleive the love they clingtoo is coming FROM GOD .
but ITS NOT .
WOULD the love of GOD ever once have silenced the mouth of CHRIST , of the apostels .
WOULD the love of GOD ever once given the world false hope and have preached a universalism love idea .
OR
OR
would the TRUE LOVE OF GOD that desires NONE TO PERISH
rather have PREACHED THE DIRE NEED OF JESUS , TOBELEIVE ON HIM
and have corrected sin as DID JESUS
and have named the false , AS DID JESUS who said beware THE PHARISEES
Folks wonder how come christendom fell . WELL leaven never comes in FULL
it comes in tiny and if its left uncorrected , OH ITS GONNA FILL and FILL THE LUMP FULL .
WE got duped big time .
I have been so strongly unctioned
i feel like a vent ready to burst if i do not speak . I simply cannot keep it in .
THIS PEOPLE MUST be warned and the false leaders MUST be exposed , as any every false doctrine
sin and error must be exposed .
We have a real nasty false version of love that has been on the move in christendom
and it has done NOTHING to help this people but rather has led to their own deceptoin .
And this sheep GONNA WARN and expose . I must do as i must do
even if it costs me all . EVEN THOSE I love have turned on me . THEY have .
ALL i ever desired was good for this people , EVEN for my enemies .
BUT FOR MY LOVE I AM ONE HATED creature . AND STILL i only pray for them to repent . GOOD for them .
 
'And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:
see that ye be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet.,
.. For nation shall rise against nation,
.... and kingdom against kingdom
...... and there shall be famines,
........ and pestilences,
.......... and earthquakes,
............ in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.'

(Mat 24:6-8)

Hello there,

We are hearing of war, and the rumour of war on a daily basis, and have done for a while now, famine, flood, pestilence, and earthquake, so, 'the beginning of sorrows', does appear to be here. Thankfully we are told to live, looking, for our glorious hope, the appearing of our Saviour in glory (Titus 2:13) when we also shall appear with Him there (Col. 3:4). So that all of these things need not trouble us.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris​
Yes we are. We even have the possibility that WW III began last year. WWI and WWII did not begin as all out war. It was years of developments. That is why I don't believe Matthew 24s take on Jerusalem happened yet, but is another fulfillment. Matthew wrote to the Jews using Jewish Old Testament eschatology. Luke was writing to a Gentile who may not have known anything about Jewish eschatology, so he spoke to the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem.
 
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