How did you deal with the fact that the prodigal son was stated to have been dead by his father?
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The New birth comes after hearing/believing the gospel
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TibiasDad
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You know what he means! It must be difficult to argue when you’re backed into a corner.
Doug
It's a tactic.
TibiasDad
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brightfame52
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How when those Christ died for were justified by his blood Romans 5:9, the resurrection bears testimony Romans 4:25
TibiasDad
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brightfame52
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The scriptures I provided says it to me
TibiasDad
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If you can’t demonstrate why it means that, it is fool’s gold! Nothing in scripture says that Christ died only for the few, the elect, as opposed to everyone else.
Christ died for all men, especially for those who believe.
Doug
Those who believe are justified
Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Gal 3:24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
Rom 3:24–25 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Gal 3:8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.”
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus
Rom 3:30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
Yes, desperate indeed.
brightfame52
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I already gave you the scriptures that demonstrated it to me. I'm not under any obligation to make you agree with me. Christ died for all He Justified by His Blood, His resurrection verified that Rom 4:25
You do not believe Christ died for all.
brightfame52
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Right because only the Justified shall believe, so it is written the just shall live by Faith. Shall live by Faith is in the future tense, so we are just or Justified before we live by Faith.
brightfame52
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All the elect
TibiasDad
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There is no “elect” in “all men”! To put it there is adding to the scriptures.
Doug
Lions Mane
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The new birth comes after hearing and believing the gospel, a process where faith grows from hearing the message of Christ. According to Christian teachings, this sequence is central to salvation, as faith leads to belief, and belief through the gospel results in being "born again".
- Hearing the Gospel: Faith originates from hearing the message about Jesus Christ, specifically his death and resurrection.
- Believing the Gospel: After hearing, one must believe in the truth of this message. This belief is a key component of being "born again" and accepting Christ.
- Receiving New Birth: The new birth is a spiritual transformation that occurs through this process of hearing, believing, and confessing.
- Biblical Support: This process is supported by scriptures like Romans 10:17, which states that "faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ," and 1 Peter 1:23, which says people have been "born again... through the living and abiding word of God".
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There is no justification without faith
Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Gal 3:24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
Rom 3:24–25 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Gal 3:8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.”
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus
Rom 3:30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
That phrase is not found in the verses
All men is not all the elect
brightfame52
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Yes it is, all men means all the elect from all nations
