The Myth of Armageddon

EclipseEventSigns

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There is a big problem with our assumptions regarding "Armageddon". It's a term which has taken on epic connotations. Any use of this particular word immediately conjures up images of the most violent, bloody battles imaginable. It's the war to end all wars. But is the common understanding actually correct?

The English word "Armageddon" is found in only one place in the Bible. Revelation 16:16
[Rev 16:16 ESV] And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

I've quoted the ESV as an example of a very typical translation of this verse. Some translators have included footnotes which state: "Some mss read Armagedon ; other mss read Harmegedon ; other mss read Mageddon ; other mss read Magedon "

So there are variants of the spelling found in the Greek manuscripts. Let's start investigating why this could be. First, it's very important to keep in mind that this is stated to be from a Hebrew word – it's a Greek transliteration. This word did not exist in the Greek language. Next, notice that some manuscripts include "Ar" or "Har" and some don't. So whatever this term is in Hebrew it very likely is made up of two components which have been combined in the transliteration.

The "H" in Hebrew is a very breathy sound. The manuscripts which do not include the "H" recognize this fact and don't include it in their transliteration. In Hebrew, the word "har" does exist (Strong's H2022). It means mountain or hill.

The rest of the term is assumed to be "Megiddo" or "Megiddon" (Strong's H4023). The pronunciation of the "don" is actually "doh" – the 'n' is silent. Scholars have most often connected this with the city/place named Megiddo which is about 55 miles north of Jerusalem and about 11 miles from Nazareth.

The word itself also has a particular meaning. It's stated to mean "place of crowds" or "rendezvous". This will be particulary significant as we continue.

Megiddo is named several times in the Old Testament. It is the site of several battles. One of the most significant is that which pitted King Josiah against Pharoah Neco (II Chron 35, II Kings 23). Neco had warned Josiah not to get involved as the Egyptian army made their way to Carchemish to engage the Babylonians and to help their Assyrian ally. Josiah ignored this warning (said to be of God) and was killed at Megiddo.

This leads to the other place where Megiddo is mentioned – Zechariah 12:11
[Zec 12:11 LSB] 11 "In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo."
This place called Hadadrimmon occurs only in this verse and scholars have determined it is quite near to the Megiddo site itself. It is not said when this time of mourning occurred. However, after the death of Josiah there was an intense time of mourning for thier righteous king. Even Jeremiah composed a lament.

But notice the significant detail. It is in the "plain of Megiddo". This term also occurs in II Chron 35:22. No where does it say Megiddo was associated with a mountain. The nearest mountain is Mount Carmel. So this is a detail which suggests the common assumption might not be accurate.

Zechariah 12 is very significant for another related reason. It is God's prophecy about the battle that God has with the nations of the world....at Jerusalem. The text describes a siege against Jerusalem (Zech 12:2). Multiple times it is stated this battle happens during the Day of Yahweh – short hand "that day". This phrase occurs Zech 12:3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11. But the common assumption is that the battle to end all battles is at "Armageddon". Zech 12:9 specifically states that the armies of the world attack at Jerusalem.
[Zec 12:9 LSB] "And it will be in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem."

Zechariah 14 also describes the same battle:
[Zec 14:3 LSB] Then Yahweh will go forth and fight against those nations, as the day when He fights on a day of battle."
Seven times the phrase "that day" occurs in the chapter.

Ezekiel 38 and 39 describes the same battle:
[Eze 38:21, 23 LSB] 21 "And I will call for a sword against him on all My mountains," declares Lord Yahweh. "Every man's sword will be against his brother. ... 23 "And I will magnify Myself, I will manifest Myself as holy, and I will make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am Yahweh."'

Daniel 11:45 describes this same battle at the Holy Mountain where Jerusalem is located:
[Dan 11:45 LSB] 45 "And he (King of the North) will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.

Revelation 14 describes this same battle:
[Rev 14:20 LSB] 20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

Revelation 19 describes this same battle:
[Rev 19:19 LSB] 19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war with Him who sits on the horse and with His army.

Zechariah 14 gives the details about a massive earthquake which splits the Mount of Olives.
[Zec 14:4-5 LSB] 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. ... Then Yahweh, my God, will come, [and] all the holy ones with Him!

Joel 3 also gives details about this final battle at the valley of Jehoshaphat. This is the Kidron Valley next to the Mount of Olives.
[Joe 3:12-16 LSB] 12 Let the nations be roused up And come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat, For there I will sit to judge All the surrounding nations. 13 Send in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, tread, for the wine press is full; The vats overflow, for their evil is great. 14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of Yahweh is near in the valley of decision. 15 The sun and moon grow dark, And the stars lose their brightness. 16 And Yahweh roars from Zion And gives forth His voice from Jerusalem, And the heavens and the earth quake. But Yahweh is a refuge for His people And a strong defense to the sons of Israel.

This is the valley which will contain the blood up to the height of the horse bridle. It will flow about 180 miles – which just happens to be the distance from Jerusalem to the Gulf of Aqaba. There is nothing significant 180 miles from Megiddo. And it's quite a different image to have a wide flat plain filled 5 feet deep with blood as opposed to a valley. But both thoughts are horrific none the less.

The fact is that there is no mention of a final battle happening at Megiddo. But...what about Revelation 16:16 – it says it right there. Does it though?

For this we have to take a deep dive into the Hebrew word that the transliteration is most likely from.
הַרמְגִדּוֹן

The Hebrew alphabet consists of consonants. The vowels are indicated by markings above and below. These vowel markings were invented by the Massoretes during the last centuries of the first millennium AD. During the Biblical era, there was no systematized indication of the vowels so pronunciation was memorized and handed down from generation to generation. There were also different dialects which also modified how people pronounced certain words.

So what the Greek transliterated, it is made up of the combination Hebrew letters:
"har" + m + g + d + 'oh' + n

The vowels between were not specified and it would have been according to how it sounded to the ear of the Greek author/scribe. It was tranliterated to:
"h" + "ah" + "r" + "m" + "eh" + "g" + "ee" + "d" + "oh" (+ "n")

The Peshitta, the New Testament in Aramaic/Syriac is also an important witness for this passage. The Aramaic language is extremely similar to Hebrew and can even be written with the same Hebrew block letters. Again no vowel markings existed during those early centuries. The Hebrew term in the Peshitta occurs as:
ܡܓܕܘ
m + g + d + w

The very same consonants. The "w" having the sound of a breathy "oo".

Earlier, I mentioned that "megiddo" means "place of gathering, meeting or rendezvous". Add in the word "mountain" and the phrase is "the mountain of gathering". There is a very signifant passage in Isaiah that has this exact term.
[Isa 14:12-14 LSB] 12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! 13 "But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'

Here the term is "har moed"; pronounced "har" + "m" + "oh" + "ae" + "dh"

The word "moed" means "appointed place, time, meeting". It is often used to describe the prescribed times for the Feasts of Yahweh, seven altogether. Three times during the year God required the people of Israel to assemble themselves at Jerusalem for the specific Feasts of Passover/Unleavened Bread, Feast of Weeks, and the Feast of Ingathering/Booths. It is significant that Messiah Jesus fulfilled the purposes of the Passover and Unleavened Bread during His first coming. The Church was initiated at the Feast of Weeks. The fall Feast of Ingathering has had no ultimate fulfillment yet.

This passage in Isaiah is very significant as it addresses the "star of the morning" who fell from heaven and decided to sit on the "mount of assembly" on the "side of the north". This describes the location of Jerusalem and specifically the temple which was located at the very north end of the City of David. As the Enemy desires to take the very place of God in His holy city during the last days.



A psalm also addresses this last battle event, which many do not appreciate.

[Psa 48:1-5 LSB] Great is Yahweh, and greatly to be praised, In the city of our God, His holy mountain. 2 Beautiful in elevation, the joy of the whole earth, Is Mount Zion [in] the far north, The city of the great King. 3 God, in her palaces, Has made Himself known as a stronghold. 4 For, behold, the kings assembled themselves, They passed by together. 5 They saw [it], then they were astonished; They were dismayed, they fled in alarm.

So then how does the term "har moed" connect with "har megiddo"? Although modern Hebrew spells the word using consonants "m" and "d", there is a pronounciation recorded in the Hebrew dictionary that adds a "g".

https://archive.org/details/englishmanshebre0000wigr_u4w2
The Englishman's Hebrew and Chaldee concordance of the Old Testament
Wigram, George

There existed a time when it was pronounced with a gutteral "gh".
"m" + "oh" + "gh" + "ae" + "dh"

The very same consonants as recorded in the Peshitta and in the Greek transliteration. Therefore, this term very well would not be referring to the place of Megiddo in northern Israel at all. It most likely is referring to the "Mount of Assembly" – another term for Jerusalem itself. Where the people of Israel gathered and the location of the throne of God on earth in the temple.

Revelation 16:16 is then shown to match with the rest of Scripture for the location of the final battle of God against the assembled armies of the world.

Being transliterated properly in English as:
"Har moghaedoh"
 
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There is a big problem with our assumptions regarding "Armageddon". It's a term which has taken on epic connotations. Any use of this particular word immediately conjures up images of the most violent, bloody battles imaginable. It's the war to end all wars. But is the common understanding actually correct?

The English word "Armageddon" is found in only one place in the Bible. Revelation 16:16
[Rev 16:16 ESV] And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

I've quoted the ESV as an example of a very typical translation of this verse. Some translators have included footnotes which state: "Some mss read Armagedon ; other mss read Harmegedon ; other mss read Mageddon ; other mss read Magedon "

So there are variants of the spelling found in the Greek manuscripts. Let's start investigating why this could be. First, it's very important to keep in mind that this is stated to be from a Hebrew word – it's a Greek transliteration. This word did not exist in the Greek language. Next, notice that some manuscripts include "Ar" or "Har" and some don't. So whatever this term is in Hebrew it very likely is made up of two components which have been combined in the transliteration.

The "H" in Hebrew is a very breathy sound. The manuscripts which do not include the "H" recognize this fact and don't include it in their transliteration. In Hebrew, the word "har" does exist (Strong's H2022). It means mountain or hill.

The rest of the term is assumed to be "Megiddo" or "Megiddon" (Strong's H4023). The pronunciation of the "don" is actually "doh" – the 'n' is silent. Scholars have most often connected this with the city/place named Megiddo which is about 55 miles north of Jerusalem and about 11 miles from Nazareth.

The word itself also has a particular meaning. It's stated to mean "place of crowds" or "rendezvous". This will be particulary significant as we continue.

Megiddo is named several times in the Old Testament. It is the site of several battles. One of the most significant is that which pitted King Josiah against Pharoah Neco (II Chron 35, II Kings 23). Neco had warned Josiah not to get involved as the Egyptian army made their way to Carchemish to engage the Babylonians and to help their Assyrian ally. Josiah ignored this warning (said to be of God) and was killed at Megiddo.

This leads to the other place where Megiddo is mentioned – Zechariah 12:11
[Zec 12:11 LSB] 11 "In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo."
This place called Hadadrimmon occurs only in this verse and scholars have determined it is quite near to the Megiddo site itself. It is not said when this time of mourning occurred. However, after the death of Josiah there was an intense time of mourning for thier righteous king. Even Jeremiah composed a lament.

But notice the significant detail. It is in the "plain of Megiddo". This term also occurs in II Chron 35:22. No where does it say Megiddo was associated with a mountain. The nearest mountain is Mount Carmel. So this is a detail which suggests the common assumption might not be accurate.

Zechariah 12 is very significant for another related reason. It is God's prophecy about the battle that God has with the nations of the world....at Jerusalem. The text describes a siege against Jerusalem (Zech 12:2). Multiple times it is stated this battle happens during the Day of Yahweh – short hand "that day". This phrase occurs Zech 12:3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11. But the common assumption is that the battle to end all battles is at "Armageddon". Zech 12:9 specifically states that the armies of the world attack at Jerusalem.
[Zec 12:9 LSB] "And it will be in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem."

Zechariah 14 also describes the same battle:
[Zec 14:3 LSB] Then Yahweh will go forth and fight against those nations, as the day when He fights on a day of battle."
Seven times the phrase "that day" occurs in the chapter.

Ezekiel 38 and 39 describes the same battle:
[Eze 38:21, 23 LSB] 21 "And I will call for a sword against him on all My mountains," declares Lord Yahweh. "Every man's sword will be against his brother. ... 23 "And I will magnify Myself, I will manifest Myself as holy, and I will make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am Yahweh."'

Daniel 11:45 describes this same battle at the Holy Mountain where Jerusalem is located:
[Dan 11:45 LSB] 45 "And he (King of the North) will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.

Revelation 14 describes this same battle:
[Rev 14:20 LSB] 20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

Revelation 19 describes this same battle:
[Rev 19:19 LSB] 19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war with Him who sits on the horse and with His army.

Zechariah 14 gives the details about a massive earthquake which splits the Mount of Olives.
[Zec 14:4-5 LSB] 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. ... Then Yahweh, my God, will come, [and] all the holy ones with Him!

Joel 3 also gives details about this final battle at the valley of Jehoshaphat. This is the Kidron Valley next to the Mount of Olives.
[Joe 3:12-16 LSB] 12 Let the nations be roused up And come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat, For there I will sit to judge All the surrounding nations. 13 Send in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, tread, for the wine press is full; The vats overflow, for their evil is great. 14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of Yahweh is near in the valley of decision. 15 The sun and moon grow dark, And the stars lose their brightness. 16 And Yahweh roars from Zion And gives forth His voice from Jerusalem, And the heavens and the earth quake. But Yahweh is a refuge for His people And a strong defense to the sons of Israel.

This is the valley which will contain the blood up to the height of the horse bridle. It will flow about 160 miles – which just happens to be the distance from Jerusalem to the Gulf of Aqaba. There is nothing significant 160 miles from Megiddo. And it's quite a different image to have a wide flat plain filled 5 feet deep with blood as opposed to a valley. But both thoughts are horrific none the less.

The fact is that there is no mention of a final battle happening at Megiddo. But...what about Revelation 16:16 – it says it right there. Does it though?

For this we have to take a deep dive into the Hebrew word that the transliteration is most likely from.
הַרמְגִדּוֹן

The Hebrew alphabet consists of consonants. The vowels are indicated by markings above and below. These vowel markings were invented by the Massoretes during the last centuries of the first millennium AD. During the Biblical era, there was no systematized indication of the vowels so pronunciation was memorized and handed down from generation to generation. There were also different dialects which also modified how people pronounced certain words.

So what the Greek transliterated, it is made up of the combination Hebrew letters:
"har" + m + g + d + 'oh' + n

The vowels between were not specified and it would have been according to how it sounded to the ear of the Greek author/scribe. It was tranliterated to:
"h" + "ah" + "r" + "m" + "eh" + "g" + "ee" + "d" + "oh" (+ "n")

The Peshitta, the New Testament in Aramaic/Syriac is also an important witness for this passage. The Aramaic language is extremely similar to Hebrew and can even be written with the same Hebrew block letters. Again no vowel markings existed during those early centuries. The Hebrew term in the Peshitta occurs as:
ܡܓܕܘ
m + g + d + w

The very same consonants. The "w" having the sound of a breathy "oo".

Earlier, I mentioned that "megiddo" means "place of gathering, meeting or rendezvous". Add in the word "mountain" and the phrase is "the mountain of gathering". There is a very signifant passage in Isaiah that has this exact term.
[Isa 14:12-14 LSB] 12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! 13 "But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'

Here the term is "har moed"; pronounced "har" + "m" + "oh" + "ae" + "dh"

The word "moed" means "appointed place, time, meeting". It is often used to describe the prescribed times for the Feasts of Yahweh, seven altogether. Three times during the year God required the people of Israel to assemble themselves at Jerusalem for the specific Feasts of Passover/Unleavened Bread, Feast of Weeks, and the Feast of Ingathering/Booths. It is significant that Messiah Jesus fulfilled the purposes of the Passover and Unleavened Bread during His first coming. The Church was initiated at the Feast of Weeks. The fall Feast of Ingathering has had no ultimate fulfillment yet.

This passage in Isaiah is very significant as it addresses the "star of the morning" who fell from heaven and decided to sit on the "mount of assembly" on the "side of the north". This describes the location of Jerusalem and specifically the temple which was located at the very north end of the City of David. As the Enemy desires to take the very place of God in His holy city during the last days.



A psalm also addresses this last battle event, which many do not appreciate.

[Psa 48:1-5 LSB] Great is Yahweh, and greatly to be praised, In the city of our God, His holy mountain. 2 Beautiful in elevation, the joy of the whole earth, Is Mount Zion [in] the far north, The city of the great King. 3 God, in her palaces, Has made Himself known as a stronghold. 4 For, behold, the kings assembled themselves, They passed by together. 5 They saw [it], then they were astonished; They were dismayed, they fled in alarm.

So then how does the term "har moed" connect with "har megiddo"? Although modern Hebrew spells the word using consonants "m" and "d", there is a pronounciation recorded in the Hebrew dictionary that adds a "g".

https://archive.org/details/englishmanshebre0000wigr_u4w2
The Englishman's Hebrew and Chaldee concordance of the Old Testament
Wigram, George

There existed a time when it was pronounced with a gutteral "gh".
"m" + "oh" + "gh" + "ae" + "dh"

The very same consonants as recorded in the Peshitta and in the Greek transliteration. Therefore, this term very well would not be referring to the place of Megiddo in northern Israel at all. It most likely is referring to the "Mount of Assembly" – another term for Jerusalem itself. Where the people of Israel gathered and the location of the throne of God on earth in the temple.

Revelation 16:16 is then shown to match with the rest of Scripture for the location of the final battle of God against the assembled armies of the world.

Being transliterated properly in English as:
"Har moghaedoh"
'The kings came and fought,
then fought the kings of Canaan
in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo;
they took no gain of money.
They fought from heaven;
the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.
'

(Jdg 5:19-20)

Hello @EclipseEventSign,

This is probably of no help at all, but I saw it in the song of Deborah and Barak, and thought I would add it here.

At this time of war, yet again, in Israel, I found it encouraging to read of how God fought for Israel in days gone by (see Joshua 10).

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
How far is 1600 stadia. It's about 180 miles. What is about 180 miles going east and then south from Jerusalem? The Gulf of Aqaba. What is 180 miles from Megiddo - the commonly assumed location of Armageddon? Absolutely nothing significant.

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'And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs
come out of the mouth of the dragon,
and out of the mouth of the beast,
and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles,
which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,
to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together
into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon
(i.e., Har-mageddon).'
(Rev 16:13-16)

Hello @EclipseEventSigns,

* The name Har-megiddo means, 'the mount of Megiddo'. It was there that Deborah and Barak destroyed Sisera and his host (Judg. 5:19). and there King Josiah was overthrown by Pharoah-Necho, king of Egypt (2 Kings 23:29, 2 Chronicles 35:22-25). Slaughter and lamentation are associated with Megiddo (Zech. 12:11). In Isaiah 10:28, which describes the invasion of Anti-Christ, the Septuagint version reads Megiddo. Megiddo probably means a place of troops (from 'Gad'='a troop') (Gen. 49:19); and the verb, ('gadad'), 'to cut to pieces'. See Deut. 14:1; 1 Kings18:28; Jer.16:6 & 41:5, Mic.5:1). It is part of the great plain of Esdraelon. It is a real locality, and the transactions yet to take place there will be real also.

Having gathered the hosts of the enemy there, the sixth Vial ends (Rev. 12-16). The description of the events which took place there is delayed until the events of the seventh Vial bring on the final catastrophe in chap.19. There we have the battle itself (19:11-18). The sixth vial brings us up to the point where everything is seen to be in readiness, and then abruptly breaks off so as to allow of our coming up to the same point through another course of events, which are brought on by the pouring forth of the seventh vial (16:17-21).

('Commentary of Revelation' by E.W. Bullinger - Page 489-490 P319 in PDF - see link below)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs
come out of the mouth of the dragon,
and out of the mouth of the beast,
and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles,
which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,
to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together
into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon
(i.e., Har-mageddon).'
(Rev 16:13-16)

Hello @EclipseEventSigns,

* The name Har-megiddo means, 'the mount of Megiddo'. It was there that Deborah and Barak destroyed Sisera and his host (Judg. 5:19). and there King Josiah was overthrown by Pharoah-Necho, king of Egypt (2 Kings 23:29, 2 Chronicles 35:22-25). Slaughter and lamentation are associated with Megiddo (Zech. 12:11). In Isaiah 10:28, which describes the invasion of Anti-Christ, the Septuagint version reads Megiddo. Megiddo probably means a place of troops (from 'Gad'='a troop') (Gen. 49:19); and the verb, ('gadad'), 'to cut to pieces'. See Deut. 14:1; 1 Kings18:28; Jer.16:6 & 41:5, Mic.5:1). It is part of the great plain of Esdraelon. It is a real locality, and the transactions yet to take place there will be real also.

Having gathered the hosts of the enemy there, the sixth Vial ends (Rev. 12-16). The description of the events which took place there is delayed until the events of the seventh Vial bring on the final catastrophe in chap.19. There we have the battle itself (19:11-18). The sixth vial brings us up to the point where everything is seen to be in readiness, and then abruptly breaks off so as to allow of our coming up to the same point through another course of events, which are brought on by the pouring forth of the seventh vial (16:17-21).

('Commentary of Revelation' by E.W. Bullinger - Page 489-490 P319 in PDF - see link below)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Have you read the original post or watched the video. There are many commentators of the past that have unfortunately missed what Hebrew words John was writing.
 
Might give some context as to megido's significance.
I fully realize that there were many ancient battles fought at Megiddo. That does NOT mean Revelation 16:16 is talking about Megiddo. My presentation goes into great detail why it is NOT Megiddo but Jerusalem. There is no where else at all in any Scripture that talks about the Day of the Lord final battle happening at Megiddo other than supposedly that one passage. Why is that? Could it be that it's been misinterpreted all these centuries? Ya, probably.
 
Have you read the original post or watched the video. There are many commentators of the past that have unfortunately missed what Hebrew words John was writing.
Yes, @EclipseEventSigns,

I have read and listened to both. Have you read my response? If so, do you include Dr Bullinger as one of those, 'commentators of the past,' that you refer to? If so, what is it in the portion of his work that I have quoted, which indicates this? For to make a claim of this nature, if indirectly, against any man of such repute as Dr Bullinger, without providing evidence, is just not acceptable.

This man was a humble man, who would accept correction from such as provided the necessary evidence, and be the first to admit an error. So please give him the respect due to him. He was a great scholar, who loved his Lord with a passion, and was meticulous in his study of God's written word.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified,
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
 
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I fully realize that there were many ancient battles fought at Megiddo. That does NOT mean Revelation 16:16 is talking about Megiddo. My presentation goes into great detail why it is NOT Megiddo but Jerusalem. There is no where else at all in any Scripture that talks about the Day of the Lord final battle happening at Megiddo other than supposedly that one passage. Why is that? Could it be that it's been misinterpreted all these centuries? Ya, probably.
Well, it would point to the same thing figuratively then.
 
Yes, @EclipseEventSigns,

I have read and listened to both. Have you read my response? If so, do you include Dr Bullinger as one of those, 'commentators of the past,' that you refer to? If so, what is it in the portion of his work that I have quoted, which indicates this? For to make a claim of this nature, if indirectly, against any man of such repute as Dr Bullinger, without providing evidence, is just not acceptable.

This man was a humble man, who would accept correction from such as provided the necessary evidence, and be the first to admit an error. So please give him the respect due to him. He was a great scholar, who loved his Lord with a passion, and was meticulous in his study of God's written word.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified,
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

I can be respectful and still say he was mistaken and wrong in his opinion. I don't agree with him (and why are you offended by that?) There are NO Scriptures that tell of a battle of all the nations of the world against God which happens at Megiddo. Not a one.

And you claim I provide no evidence? Really? There's so much evidence I've provided - including investigating the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. The correct interpretations of many things not understood correctly in the past are being revealed as we get ever closer to the final days.
 
I can be respectful and still say he was mistaken and wrong in his opinion. I don't agree with him (and why are you offended by that?) There are NO Scriptures that tell of a battle of all the nations of the world against God which happens at Megiddo. Not a one.

And you claim I provide no evidence? Really? There's so much evidence I've provided - including investigating the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. The correct interpretations of many things not understood correctly in the past are being revealed as we get ever closer to the final days.
You have not understood my reason for objecting to your comment, @EclipseEventSign. I did not ask for evidence concerning the subject itself, being already sufficiently informed concerning your thoughts re. Armageddon, having read your OP and listened to the clip you entered.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour, :)
our Lord and Head.
Chris
 
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You have not understood my reason for objecting to your comment, @EclipseEventSign. I did not ask for evidence concerning the subject itself, being already sufficiently informed concerning your thoughts re. Armageddon, having read your OP and listened to the clip you entered.
Then I have no idea what you are upset about.
 
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