The Correct View of God's Law

So obedience to God's law is the way to live by grace, but it seems you want God to be gracious to you instead of teaching you to obey His law.
Precious friend, there is a Clarification that is needed:

Under covenants/prophecy, the OT law (of works) was made for the 'UNrighteous'

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

Under Grace/Mystery, there is a New Law for the 'righteous':

"Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works?​
Nay: but by The Law Of faith." (Romans 3:27)​

Many 'commandments In Romans-Philemon' The Mystery For Today, summed up:

Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)​
Conclusion: They are Different things. Why All this 'human effort' ( for boasting? )
in order to Cancel Out The New Law?:

"And if By Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise Grace is No More Grace.​
But if it be of works, then is it No More Grace: otherwise work is no more work."​
(Romans 11:6 KJV)​

Amen.
 
Just because a good thing becomes bondage to a bad person, does not logically mean the good thing is bad, see.
101G cannot buy that. God said, Isaiah 41:26 "Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words." the Law was not any bondage to the GOOD, the BAD, or the UGLY, no it was us who was not holy. this is why we have religions. it's a practice, and practice makes "PERFECT". for we're to GROW UP and be like our Heavenly Father........ Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." this is why we NOW HAVE THE HELPER. God helps up to be perfect ....... if one wants to. do Perfect means no mistakes? no. and a mistake we learn from. I remember there was a baseball player name Reggie Jackson, he was called mr. October. he was called that because of the many home runs he knocked out of the ballpark. but here's something many didn't know. he struck out more time that he hit home runs.

consistency is the key, more one practice the better one becomes. even God repented that he had made man, but he endured,,, Because he's God. so we stive to do our best. swill 101G knock out of the ball park as many as Soyeong, or civic? maybe not. but do one best. the vine worker is a good example. some was hired in the morning, some at noon and some in the evening, but they all got the same pay.

or as with the talent, some was given more, some less. but here is the reason. "To whom much is given, much is required." God knows every last one of us, he will not put more on you that you can bear (smile.. bare).. sometimes is a ... bear... some exceeds. but do that makes them better? no, just as with Fath. God has given unto men ... "THE MEASURE" of faith. so starting out all are equal. as with the Helper in us.... if we're not doing anything, the helper has nothing to do. so God law is not a baggage nor a bondage, it WHAT YOU DO WITH IT.

Romans 7:12 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:13 "Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful." (READ THAT AGAIN) Romans 7:14 "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin." Romans 7:15 "For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I." Romans 7:16 "If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good." Romans 7:17 "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." Romans 7:18 "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not." Romans 7:19 "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." Romans 7:20 "Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." Romans 7:21 "I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me." Romans 7:22 "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:" Romans 7:23 "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members." Romans 7:24 "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" Romans 7:25 "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

and that flesh will be done away with, at his return. so yes, GOOD people sin.... why do you think we have a Comforter, Advocate, and a mediator? thank you. until we are without these bodies ... (where sin was condemned at) until then we live by FAITH, and not by LAW, for..... 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, (in which our righteousness is in Christ Jesus), but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

101G.
 
consistency is the key, more one practice the better one becomes. even God repented that he had made man, but he endured,,, Because he's God.

God didn't make a mistake—he doesn't make mistakes.

so we stive to do our best. swill 101G knock out of the ball park as many as Soyeong, or civic? maybe not. but do one best.

The problem is that "striving" can really get you into your own frantic efforts, instead of just resting in what Jesus has done for you.

You don't have to compare yourself to others and compete to be the best—doesn't that sound like a wonderful rest?

Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (Matt. 11:28 NKJ)
 
The problem is that "striving" can really get you into your own frantic efforts, instead of just resting in what Jesus has done for you.

You don't have to compare yourself to others and compete to be the best—doesn't that sound like a wonderful rest?
Ephesians 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

101G.
 
101G didn't say he did. Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."

101G.
Don’t you know some people don’t think God has the ability to repent or change His mind. Their god is to small in a tiny box 📦 . Since repenting is not a sin nor is changing one’s mind it works for me. :)
 
Don’t you know some people don’t think God has the ability to repent or change His mind. Their god is to small in a tiny box 📦 . Since repenting is not a sin nor is changing one’s mind it works for me. :)

No more immutability, eh.

Keep goin'!
 
You compared God "enduring" to us practicing to become better.

That's a false equivalence.
DID IT NOT, "repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth?" yes or no.

and two what did God do, Genesis 6:7 "And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." Genesis 6:8 "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD."

now, did God destroy man from the face of the Earth.. Yes or No? your answer please.

101G.
 
Precious friend, there is a Clarification that is needed:

Under covenants/prophecy, the OT law (of works) was made for the 'UNrighteous'

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

Under Grace/Mystery, there is a New Law for the 'righteous':

"Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works?​
Nay: but by The Law Of faith." (Romans 3:27)​
In Habakkuk 2:4, the righteous shall live by faith, and in Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is the Mosaic Law, so that is just as much of a part of the OT as it is of the NT. According to Romans 3:21-22, the only way to become righteous that is testified about in the Law and the Prophets is through faith. Instructions for how to practice righteousness are not made for the righteous who are already living in accordance with them, but rather it is the unrighteous who need to be taught those instructions.

In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God, so obedience to God is part of the way to receive the Spirit, however, Galatians 3:1-2 denies that 'works of the law" are part of the way to receive the Spirit, therefore that phrase does not refer to obedience to God. In Romans 3:27-31, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, so works of the law are of works, while he said that our faith upholds God's law, so it is of faith, and a law that our faith upholds can't be referring to the same thing as the works of the law that are not of faith in Galatians 3:10-11. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law.

Many 'commandments In Romans-Philemon' The Mystery For Today, summed up:

Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor​
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)​
The fact that the Mosaic Law can be summed up by the greatest two commandments was just as true as the day it was given to Moses as it is today, so you are again wrongly diving the word of truth by forcing a division where there is none. If we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth for everything else commanded in the Mosaic Law, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that all of the other commandments hang on the greatest two. So if we should obey the greatest two commandments, then we should also obey all of the other commandments that are examples of how to correctly obey them.

Conclusion: They are Different things. Why All this 'human effort' ( for boasting? )
in order to Cancel Out The New Law?:

"And if By Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise Grace is No More Grace.​
But if it be of works, then is it No More Grace: otherwise work is no more work."​
(Romans 11:6 KJV)​

Amen.
Works that are done for the purpose of earning a wage and for boast are incompatible with grace, however, God's law was never given as a way to earn a wage or as something to boast about, and there are many other reasons that someone could have for obeying it that are compatible with grace, which is why there are many verses that connect grace with works, such as Psalms 119:29-30, Exodus 33:13, Genesis 6:8-9, Romans 1:5, and Titus 2:11-14. So again that is consistent throughout both the OT and the NT rather than a change that you are trying to force.
 
Please interact with the points that I made in my last post.

I've never claimed to be sinless. God's law was given to a nation and can only be obeyed by a nation. Even when the law was first given to Moses, there was not a single person who was required to obey every single law and not even Jesus kept the laws in regard to having a period or to giving birth. Some laws were only given to the King, the High Priest, priests, men, women, children, widows, those who are married, those who have servants, those who have animals, those who have crops, those who have tzaraat, those who are living in the land, and those who are strangers living among them while others were given to everyone. The laws given to govern the conduct of the Levities didn't apply to other Israelites, so I agree that not all of God's laws apply to everyone. The Israelites were given laws while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years that had the condition "when you enter the land..." so there is nothing wrong with not following laws that can't currently be followed.


In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so God's law leads us to Christ because it teaches us how to know Him, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can them reject everything he taught and go back to living in sin. God's law is God's word and Jesus is God's word made flesh, so it is contradictory to come to Christ while rejecting God's law.

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faithfulness by setting God's law before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he might know Him and Israel too, and in John 17:3, eternal life is knowing God and Jesus, which is again salvation by grace through faith. In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way in obedience to His law and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith. In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is ungodly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to obey His law is the content of His gift of salvation. So obedience to God's law is the way to live by grace, but it seems you want God to be gracious to you instead of teaching you to obey His law.
You do not understand law or grace. You do not know the difference between being led by the Spirit and walking in the Spirit and following a set of rules. Abraham did not have the Law and neither did Job and Noah. I follow the law, but it is the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, not the law that brings death.
 
You do not understand law or grace.
I cited many verses that show that obedience to God's law is the way to live by grace, so please interact with those verses to explain why you think that I do not understand them.

You do not know the difference between being led by the Spirit and walking in the Spirit and following a set of rules.
In John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, in Ezekiel 36:25-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law, and in Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth. In John 16:8, the Spirit has the role of convicting us of sin, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of God's law. In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to God's law. In Galatians 5:19-23, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against God's law while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's nature that are in accordance with it. In Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to God's law and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit are do not obey God's law. God's law was given by God and the Spirit is God, so it is straightforwardly the Law of the Spirit, so if you think that I've misunderstood these verses, then please explain why.

Abraham did not have the Law and neither did Job and Noah.
In Genesis 26:5, Abraham heard God's voice and guarded His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws. In Genesis 6:8-9, God found grace in the eyes of God and he was a righteous man, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to obey His laws for how to do what is righteous and he was righteous because he obeyed them through faith. It would be absurd to think that Noah just happened to be doing what is righteous without being given any instructions in that regard. In Genesis 7:2, Noah was told to distinguish between clean and unclean animas without being told how to tell the difference, and in Genesis 8:20, he knew to offer a clean animal, so he must have already been given instructions in that regard. In Genesis 4:7, God told Cain that sin was crouching at the door and that he must master it, which implies that he already knew what sin is and must have already been given instructions in that regard.

I follow the law, but it is the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, not the law that brings death.
If there is an extent to which what you are doing is not in accordance with the Law of God, then that is the extent that you are not following the Law of the Spirit. The Law of God teaches us the way to life (Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25-28, Hebrews 5:9, Revelation 22:14, etc.) while not following it is continuing on the path that leads to death.
 
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