Romans 16:25-27

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Hello there, 🙂

In the thread entitled, 'The Differences Between ... ', reference was made to the doxology of Romans (ch.16:25-27), in an attempt to show that, 'The Mystery' of Ephesians 3, revealed to Paul by the risen Christ, concerning The Church which is the Body of Christ, and made known in the epistles written by Paul from his imprisonment at Rome, (i.e., not 'The Mystery of Christ',) was also mentioned in Paul's earlier epistles, and was therefore not exclusively the subject of those epistles written following it's revelation. (Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Tit. & Phile.).

I read what Mr Charles Welch had to say concerning Romans 16:25-27 at the end of his study on the book of Romans, entitled, 'Just and The Justifier', and found it interesting, so thought it worth sharing with you. It can be found in the link (above) under a sub-heading entitled, 'The Mystery that had been silenced', on pages 355-361.

If you are interested sufficiently to read it, then we could discuss it together.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Hello @Johann,

No. Perhaps it is just a matter of the time it would take to read through what is written in the link referred to, and the degree of interest in the subject matter itself. Thank you for showing an interest, and for responding as you have. 🙂

* I find it fascinating to see how the structure of the epistle to the Romans settles the whole question (raised by some apparently), as to the doxology being an addition, rather than an original part of the epistle. The Bible is the only book that has this underlying structure within it which testifies to its truth. The structure of the epistle to the Romans as a whole is shown in the link, and I will try to replicate it as best I can here, for it identifies the Mystery of Romans (16:25-27) :-

A. 1:1-17 - Gospel. Promised afore. For obedience of faith among all nations.
.. B. 1:18-3:20 - Jews equally with Gentiles guilty before God.
.... C. 3:21-31 - The Glory of God. Come short of.
...... D. 4:1-25 - His own body now dead.
........ E. 5:1-1 - Reconciliation. Doctrinal.
____________________________________________________
.......... F. 5:12-21 Condemnation in Adam.
............ G. 6,7 - Question. Repudiation.
.......... F. 8 - Answer. No condemnation in Christ.
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........ E. 9-11 - Reconciliation. Dispensational.
...... D. 12,13 - Present your bodies a living sacrifice
.... C. 14-15:7 - The Glory of God. Received, to.
.. B. 15:8-16:24 - Gentiles equally with Jews acceptable before God.
A. 16:25-27 - Mystery silenced afore. For obedience of faith unto all nations.

* In the outer portion of Romans (A-E), we read of 'sins', 'law of Sinai', 'Abraham', 'Israel', 'Jew' and 'Gentile'.
* In the inner portion of Romans ( F-G), we have 'sin', 'law of sin', 'Adam', and 'Man', but no references to Abraham, Jew, or Gentile.
* In the outer portion, Rom.9-16:24, (A-E), the same features as Rom. 1-5:11 (A-E). but from a dispensational and practical point of view.
* (FGF) - The Mystery of Romans 16:25-27.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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God preached the gospel to Abraham “BEFORE”. Before what? Before He added the law. Note what Abraham did, and what God did. “Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Galatians 3:6. When God preached the gospel to Abram (in uncircumcision) the Scripture foresaw that Gentiles would be, saved, from Paul’s time down to the present, without religion or law. Note Galatians 3:17: “And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.” So we see that 430 years before the law was given the gospel of “righteousness by faith without the deeds of the law” was preached to Abram. Then what? Then the question:

The Scriptures of the Prophets
“Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to… the Scriptures of the prophets” (Rom. 16:25-26).

The third requirement Paul lists for being established is “the Scriptures of the prophets.” Some suggest that when Paul says this, he refers to his writings. Many doubt that the Body of Christ needs the Old testament writings to Israel in order to be “established.” They point to the fact that Paul was a prophet (1 Cor. 13:2 cf. 1 Cor. 12:28; Eph. 4:11) and wrote Scripture (cf. 2 Pet. 3:16), and thus he fits the reference. This is certainly a valid point; however, it does not seem to be the best explanation for Paul’s meaning, and it would appear to be a bit redundant, considering his previous point on the revelation of the mystery referenced in his writings.

It’s worth noting that the wording used in Romans 16 matches precisely those spoken by Christ in Matthew 26:56, which is a clear reference to the Old Testament.

I would point out as well that it was Paul who said, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished…” (2 Tim. 3:16-17). This verse alone emphatically declares that all Scripture is necessary for a believer to be fully equipped. But this is not the only indication that when Paul says “the Scriptures of the prophets,” he is speaking of the entirety of Scripture, and the Old Testament in particular.

Is it possible to be “established” and not have hope? Well, interestingly, nestled amongst the many nuggets of truth within Romans is a wonderful passage that tells us that though the mystery and the Body of Christ were “hid in God” (Eph. 3:9) and not revealed until Paul, we were still on God’s mind all throughout the Old Testament and that the things He inspired to be written were meant to help us have hope:

“For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope” (Rom. 15:4).

Certainly, there are no idle words with God, and according to this verse, He has determined the Old Testament as necessary for us because it establishes hope. The Old Testment may not have been written to us, and many things do not apply today, but it most certainly is for us, and it would be a mistake to neglect the many truths from the Old Testament that do still apply today: things like God’s character and that no matter how much time passes, God keeps His promises, and He alone is the Creator and Judge of all things.

Often, it’s Genesis that we use to establish the basis for one man and one woman in marriage, the role of the family, and the origination and purpose of government. True, Paul also taught some of these things, but I’ve yet to meet a fellow pastor who doesn’t believe that people need repetition in teaching, and it seems rather clear that God believes the same.

Another consideration is that progressive revelation is the idea that the current truths are built upon the foundation of former revelation (cf. 2 Tim. 2:8), namely, Christ: “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1 Cor. 3:11). Though the gospel for today is not found in the Old Testament, the foundation for every gospel began to be laid all the way back in Genesis 3:15 with the first hint of a coming Savior for mankind.

As John Newton beautifully said, “Amazing grace! How sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me!” but how can we truly understand God’s amazing grace if we don’t have a complete picture of God’s righteous standards, which are revealed in the law? “For by the law is the knowledge of sin” (Rom. 3:20).

To be established of God, a person must be established by God, and Romans 16:25-26 tells us how.

Paul’s “my gospel” (v. 25).
The “preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery” (v. 25).
The “Scriptures of the prophets” (v. 26).
But notice the order Paul gives—no doubt by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Nobody can be established without first believing the gospel that is in effect today— Paul’s “my gospel.”

Next, we must understand the distinctive message and doctrine that applies directly to us, which is the revelation of the mystery. Misapplying doctrine or using instructions meant for another doesn’t help us,

Finally, we must keep our “nose in the Book,” as my old pastor used to say. That means the entire Book. God has given us many great things, and this Book, His Book, is among the chief of those.

Hope this is not derailing anything-as we are laying a foundation.
J.
 
Hello @Johann,

Thank you for your response. :)

From the structure given (above) in reply#3, of the book of Romans, it will been that Romans 16:25-27 is essential to complete the epistle. Now we can see the contrast that exists between the subject matter of Romans 1:1-17 and Romans 16:25-27:-

The Outer Section (Rom.1:1-17) - 'The Gospel of God

1) Concerning His Son Jesus Christ. (Rom.1:3)
2) Promised afore. (1:2)
3) Prophets in the Holy Scriptures. (1:2)
4) Unto obedience of faith among all nations. (1:5)
5) Grace from God our Father. (1:7)
6) To the end ye may be established. (1:11)
7) The Power of God unto salvation. (1:16)
8) Righteousness revealed .... as it is written. (1:17)

The Inner Section (Rom. 16:25-27) - 'My Gospel'

1) The preaching of Jesus Christ. (16:25)
2) Kept silence in age times, now manifested. (v.26)
3) Prophetic writings. (v.26)
4) For obedience of faith to all nations. (v.26)
5) Praise to the aionian God, and to the only wise God. (v.27)
6) To Him Who is able to establish you. (v.25)
7) To Him Who is of power. (v.25)
8) Revelation of the mystery ...... scriptures, the prophets. (v.v.25,26).
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* From the days of Abraham onwards the gospel was no secret:-

'And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,
preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, "In thee shall all nations be blessed."'

(Gal 3:8)

'Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad.'
(Joh 8:56)

* But here in Romans 16:25-27 is a mystery, one which had been silenced. It cannot therefore be the gospel preached in Romans 1. It is not stated, however, in Romans 1:1-2, or in any of the passages that link the gospel with the O.T. Scriptures, that the gospel was fully made known before the coming of Christ. Take for example Romans 1:17:-

'For therein (i.e., the gospel of Christ, 1:16)
is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith,
according as it hath been written'
(in Hab. 2:4)
"The just shall live by faith'."

Without the fuller light of the gospel of Christ, it would not be evident from the passage in Habakkuk that the power of the gospel of Christ resided in the provision of a righteousness by faith. This will be evident if the passage is quoted:-

'For the vision is yet for an appointed time,
but at the end it shall speak, and not lie:
though it tarry, wait for it;
because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him:
but the just shall live by his faith.'

(Hab. 2:3-4)

But this provision is now 'revealed', and in the hands of an inspired Apostle can be confirmed by such passages as Habakkuk 2:4, although the teaching does not lie on the surface. Again, having quoted many passaged from the O.T. Scriptures, The Apostle says:-

'But now (in contrast with the period then)
'the righteousness of God without the law is manifested'
(perfect tense),
'being borne witness to'
(present tense) 'by the law and the prophets;
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ
unto all and upon all them that believe:
for there is no difference: ... '

(Rom 3:21-22)

Here the 'manifestation' takes place before the 'witness' can be borne by O.T. prophets. So in Romans 16:26, we read of something that had been kept in silence, but which was then made manifest.

* Taken from the notes referenced in the link (O.P).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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A. a) 'The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
......... b) Now to Him that is of power to stablish you
.. B1. according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, (Gospel proclaimed)
.. B2. according to the revelation of the mystery, (Mystery manifested)
......... which was kept secret since the world began,
........... But now is made manifest,
............. and by the scriptures of the prophets,
.. B3. according to the commandment of the everlasting God, (Made known)
................ made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
A. b) To God only wise,
.......... a) be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
(Rom 16:24-27)

Hello again, @Johann, 🙂

I am going to dip into the text of the link referenced, by setting out the doxology (above), so that it's details can be clearly seen.

* The section begins with 'grace' and ends with 'glory', and both statements end with an 'Amen'.
* The words, 'Him that is of power' is balanced by 'The only wise God': the two statements revealing, 'the power of God and the wisdom of God' working together.
* Salvation is not in view here in the same sense as in Romans 1:16. The Apostle now desires that those who are saved shall be established. He had desired this at the beginning of the epistle (Rom. 1:11), where however, the establishing was connected with 'some spiritual gift'. Here the in Romans 16 the establishing is associated with what the Apostle calls 'My gospel'. This expression, 'My gospel' is used three times by Paul, and if we consider the context of each reference we shall be impressed with the magnitude of its sphere.
The first occurrence is in Romans 11:16. Here the Apostle is speaking of the Gentile world, unevangelized and unenlightened by the law; a world left to the voice of conscience and the witness of creation, To argue from Romans 2, that anyone who patiently continues in well-doing will be saved, whether he believes the gospel or not, is to handle the Word of God deceitfully. Obviously, where no gospel message has ever penetrated, it cannot be believed (Rom. 10:14), yet it is wrong to infer that Romans 2, teaches salvation by works. The truth is that salvation for any is neither by works, nor by faith, but by the finished work of Christ. The man who hears the gospel and believes is saved, but that salvation is a secret unknown to anyone, and unconfirmed to himself, apart from those good works that manifest the reality of the faith. The point of the passage is that while the unevangelized heathen cannot believe a message he has never heard, yet if he manifests by his works that he would have believed had he been given the opportunity, God reveals that this will be fully recognised 'in that day'.
'For when the Gentiles, which have not the law,
.. do by nature the things contained in the law,
.... these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
...... Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
........ their conscience also bearing witness,
.......... and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
............ In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ
............. according to My Gospel.'
(Rom 2:14-16)​

* Taken from notes in the OP link.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
O.P. Ref:- Romans 16:25-27

'Remember that Jesus Christ
of the seed of David
was raised from the dead
according to my gospel:'

(2 Tim. 2:8)

Hello @Johann & @Grace ambassador,

The second occurrence of 'My gospel' is in Romans 16:25 that is now under consideration, but the third is quoted above, in 2 Timothy 2:8. These three occurrences (- the1st in reply#6) , have reference to the unevangelized heathen, to the revelation of a mystery hitherto kept in silence, and to the position of the Lord Jesus Christ in the dispensation of the mystery. Three concentric circles, each narrower than the preceding one, yt each vitally associated with the peculiar ministry of Paul.

It is, then evident that what Paul calls 'My Gospel' is a distinctive message, not to be confused with the good news proclaimed by others. Associated with this gospel is the preaching of Jesus Christ 'according to the revelation of a secret which hath been silenced in aionion times, but is now made manifest, and through Prophetic writings.'

The reader will be conscious that there is something missing in the above rendering. He naturally feels that the phrase, 'and through prophetic writings' should be followed by, 'as well as ...' In other words, the particle 'te' is often followed by 'kai', so that there appears to be an ellipsis here. Elsewhere 'te' is passed over in our version, but to be accurate it should always be translated. Look at the difference the recognition of the particle makes in 1 Corinthians 1:30:-

'But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us wisdom,

as well as righteousness,
and sanctification and redemption.'


Consequently we read in Romans 16:26 as follows:-

'But now made manifest both through prophetic writings
as well as' (by the Apostle's preaching)
'according to the commandment of the aionion God'


Every commentator speaks of the grammatical 'gaps' that appear in this great doxology, as though the Apostle's thoughts were too great to find expression.

What was the secret? (Rom.16:25-27)

'According to the revelation of a secret' - It is entirely unnecessary to assume that this is the secret, or mystery, revealed in Ephesians 3. The dispensational section of Romans had a secret the making known of which illuminated the problem resulting from Israel's failure (Romans 11:25), and this is the theme of another doxology, namely, that which closes Romans 11 at verses 33-36.

* Again, this was taken largely from the link referenced in the OP.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
What was the secret?

Hello again @Johann & @Grace ambassador,

When examining Romans 5:12-8:39, we can see that it constitutes a unique section of the teaching of the epistle. It goes back to a period before there was a Jew, and before Abraham, to Adam. No one can read Genesis 3, without being conscious that there is much unexplained. Solomon writing in Ecclesiastes 3, says, 'To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven,' and in enumerating them he says,
'A time to keep silence, and a time to speak' (Eccl. 3:1,7). T.he word translated in the AV, 'kept secret' is 'sigao', translated elsewhere in the NT, 'keep silence' and 'hold one's peace.'

Much important truth latent in Genesis 1-11, was 'hushed' until 'the time to speak' had arrived, when Paul was inspired to write the epistle to the Romans. The study of Genesis 1-11 in the light of Romans 5:12-8:39 is therefore of the utmost importance to the believer who would realize the peculiar character of his calling. From Genesis 12 until the end of the Acts one nation holds the pre-eminent place, and that part of the OT, which deals with Israel knows no salvation apart from that chosen race, or the covenants made with Abraham.

If Israel should finally fail and fall, the prophets had nothing to tell us of how God would cope with the resulting problem. It is, accordingly, the purpose of the central section of Romans to reveal the relationship of man, as such (ie., as neither Jew nor Gentile), to Adam and to Christ, irrespective both of promises made to the fathers, and the failure or success of the chosen people. But this is not the theme of the O.T. prophecy in general. The period covered by the Scriptures from Genesis 12 to Matthew 1, is as long as that covered by Genesis 1:3 to 11. In that small space of eleven chapters is written all that can be known of the first 2,000 years of this present creation. What is written is pregnant with truth, but it must await its appointed time, and just as the gospel itself revealed teaching hidden in O.T. Scriptures (e.g., Habakkuk 2:3-4 etc.,) so these early chapters of Genesis hold much basic teaching throwing light on the position of the believer who is saved and justified without reference to the law of Moses. Volumes have been written to associate the obedience of Christ with the law of Moses, whereas this law was but transient, it was '
added because of transgressions,' it was 'found fault with,' and passed away (Heb. 8:7).

This secret has been hushed in aionion times. We read of some part of God's purpose as being related to a period '
before aionion times' (Tit. 1-2; 2 Tim. 1:9), and in 1 Corinthians we read of, 'the wisdom of God in a mystery' which has been 'hidden', and which God, 'foreordained before the ages' (1 Cor. 2:7). The mystery of the prison epistles was 'hidden from the ages, and from the generations' (Col. 1:26). These hidden subjects had 'their own season' of manifestation, which manifestations were through the medium of 'preaching,' and 'according to' a 'commandment' (Tit. 1:3).

The mystery of Romans 16, is not said to be related to a period, '
before age times', but silenced in age times. This secret is the theme of the central section of Romans (Rom. 5:12-21; 6,7 & 8), and its subject is Adam, not Abraham, man not Israel or Gentile; the law of sin, not the law of Sinai; the dominion of sin and death, not the domination of Canaanites or Babel.

What are the, '
prophetic writings,' that Paul refers to? The words translated in the A.V., 'the scriptures of the prophets', are not exactly the same as those used in Romans 1:2. In Romans 1:2 the original reads: Dia ton propheton auton en graphais bagiais? whereas, Romans 16:26 reads, Dia te graphion prophetikon. The suggestion is made by some that not only a difference of expression is intended here, but a real difference, and that the reference in Romans 1:2, is to O,T, prophets, whereas that in Romans 16 is to N.T. prophets. It may be so, but the reader should be aware that nothing in the language used constitutes a proof of this. Prophetikos is to prophetes, what pneumatikos is to pneuma, simply the adjectival form. As the only other occurrence of the word will show every one of the O.T. prophecies are 'prophetic writing' (2 Pet. 1:21).

It is when the Apostle received commandment to make this early truth known, that the prophetic writings which had for generations held their secret began to speak.

The fact that what was may known both in Romans 1 and 16, was '
for the obedience of faith to all nations' establishes the unity of purpose that links the whole of Romans 1-16:27 together as an indivisible whole. There is no need to adopt the suggestion of some that the doxology is added some years after.

The ascription of praise is to the only wise God. Wisdom is associated with the unfolding purpose of the ages (Rom. 11:33; 1 Cor. 2:7; Eph. 1:8-9; 3:10). On this high note, the epistle ends.

* This is the end of the linked ref. that I hoped someone would read, and the end of the book, 'Just and the Justifier' by Charles Welch.


Praise God! For His Word both His written Word, and the Living Word - The Lord Jesus Christ, God's Own Beloved Son, and our Saviour.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


PS .Please forgive any errors, typed hurriedly.
 
What was the secret?

Hello again @Johann & @Grace ambassador,

When examining Romans 5:12-8:39, we can see that it constitutes a unique section of the teaching of the epistle. It goes back to a period before there was a Jew, and before Abraham, to Adam. No one can read Genesis 3, without being conscious that there is much unexplained. Solomon writing in Ecclesiastes 3, says, 'To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven,' and in enumerating them he says,
'A time to keep silence, and a time to speak' (Eccl. 3:1,7). T.he word translated in the AV, 'kept secret' is 'sigao', translated elsewhere in the NT, 'keep silence' and 'hold one's peace.'

Much important truth latent in Genesis 1-11, was 'hushed' until 'the time to speak' had arrived, when Paul was inspired to write the epistle to the Romans. The study of Genesis 1-11 in the light of Romans 5:12-8:39 is therefore of the utmost importance to the believer who would realize the peculiar character of his calling. From Genesis 12 until the end of the Acts one nation holds the pre-eminent place, and that part of the OT, which deals with Israel knows no salvation apart from that chosen race, or the covenants made with Abraham.

If Israel should finally fail and fall, the prophets had nothing to tell us of how God would cope with the resulting problem. It is, accordingly, the purpose of the central section of Romans to reveal the relationship of man, as such (ie., as neither Jew nor Gentile), to Adam and to Christ, irrespective both of promises made to the fathers, and the failure or success of the chosen people. But this is not the theme of the O.T. prophecy in general. The period covered by the Scriptures from Genesis 12 to Matthew 1, is as long as that covered by Genesis 1:3 to 11. In that small space of eleven chapters is written all that can be known of the first 2,000 years of this present creation. What is written is pregnant with truth, but it must await its appointed time, and just as the gospel itself revealed teaching hidden in O.T. Scriptures (e.g., Habakkuk 2:3-4 etc.,) so these early chapters of Genesis hold much basic teaching throwing light on the position of the believer who is saved and justified without reference to the law of Moses. Volumes have been written to associate the obedience of Christ with the law of Moses, whereas this law was but transient, it was '
added because of transgressions,' it was 'found fault with,' and passed away (Heb. 8:7).

This secret has been hushed in aionion times. We read of some part of God's purpose as being related to a period '
before aionion times' (Tit. 1-2; 2 Tim. 1:9), and in 1 Corinthians we read of, 'the wisdom of God in a mystery' which has been 'hidden', and which God, 'foreordained before the ages' (1 Cor. 2:7). The mystery of the prison epistles was 'hidden from the ages, and from the generations' (Col. 1:26). These hidden subjects had 'their own season' of manifestation, which manifestations were through the medium of 'preaching,' and 'according to' a 'commandment' (Tit. 1:3).

The mystery of Romans 16, is not said to be related to a period, '
before age times', but silenced in age times. This secret is the theme of the central section of Romans (Rom. 5:12-21; 6,7 & 8), and its subject is Adam, not Abraham, man not Israel or Gentile; the law of sin, not the law of Sinai; the dominion of sin and death, not the domination of Canaanites or Babel.

What are the, '
prophetic writings,' that Paul refers to? The words translated in the A.V., 'the scriptures of the prophets', are not exactly the same as those used in Romans 1:2. In Romans 1:2 the original reads: Dia ton propheton auton en graphais bagiais? whereas, Romans 16:26 reads, Dia te graphion prophetikon. The suggestion is made by some that not only a difference of expression is intended here, but a real difference, and that the reference in Romans 1:2, is to O,T, prophets, whereas that in Romans 16 is to N.T. prophets. It may be so, but the reader should be aware that nothing in the language used constitutes a proof of this. Prophetikos is to prophetes, what pneumatikos is to pneuma, simply the adjectival form. As the only other occurrence of the word will show every one of the O.T. prophecies are 'prophetic writing' (2 Pet. 1:21).

It is when the Apostle received commandment to make this early truth known, that the prophetic writings which had for generations held their secret began to speak.

The fact that what was may known both in Romans 1 and 16, was '
for the obedience of faith to all nations' establishes the unity of purpose that links the whole of Romans 1-16:27 together as an indivisible whole. There is no need to adopt the suggestion of some that the doxology is added some years after.

The ascription of praise is to the only wise God. Wisdom is associated with the unfolding purpose of the ages (Rom. 11:33; 1 Cor. 2:7; Eph. 1:8-9; 3:10). On this high note, the epistle ends.

* This is the end of the linked ref. that I hoped someone would read, and the end of the book, 'Just and the Justifier' by Charles Welch.


Praise God! For His Word both His written Word, and the Living Word - The Lord Jesus Christ, God's Own Beloved Son, and our Saviour.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


PS .Please forgive any errors, typed hurriedly.
I'll come back to you-running 3 Forums concurrently since THIS Forum seems "dead"
God bless.
J.
 
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