One Baptism vs baptisms

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Precious friends, Does God's 'One Baptism' really have to be controversial,
being part of 'Rightly Divided Dispensationalism'?:

Seems to me the division/Confusion over 'water baptism' belongs to
Several 'religions/denominations' who teach about 14 Different things
( traditions? ) concerning water? Thus we propose the following (D Adams)
summary for your prayerful/Careful Consideration?:

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Or this may be more helpful? UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

or, perhaps a little bigger summary, next post...
 
In God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, HE Teaches ( among others ), these:

Three Bible Baptisms:

In God's Context Of Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL, Yesterday!:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main ( of 12 ) baptisms [ available upon request ]

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25; Isaiah 52:15)

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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Prophecy / Covenants / Law for twelve tribes of Israel!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ

In God's Other Distinctive Context Of Mystery / GRACE! (Romans - Philemon) =

our "One apostle to the Gentiles" for The One Body Of CHRIST, Today!:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today:

Only One Baptism = "BY" The One Spirit = God's Operation,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The One Body Of) Christ!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB)

Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE

Or, Equals two? = water problem with God's Math! Correct?
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This has also been Very Helpful:

Water That Divides!!
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ONE Baptism

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This has, personally, for me, Obliterated Satan's Confusion / Division
over water, Into Oblivion. Amen?
 
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How do you view the "baptism" found in 1 Peter 3:21?
Precious friend, Fred, Great question:

Noah’s type {figurative} baptism (Genesis 6:13, 7:23; 1 Peter 3:20-21 KJB).

Peter, the apostle to the circumcision [Jews] (Galatians 2:8 KJB), writes to the
elect strangers (1 Peter 1:1-2 KJB), And mentions to them that eight people
were “saved by water!”

Thus, only One question:

Did “water baptism save” the Jews (the circumcision)?

Thanks again.

ChrisE
 
Did “water baptism save” the Jews (the circumcision)?

Thanks again.

ChrisE
Hi Chris,

I would say no, but baptism is being used in relation to Noah and those with him - and to them it did save.

The question is, in what sense did it save them?
I think believing in the continuation of water baptism is the best option. Not that it is necessary for our salvation, but as a vivid picture of it.
Noah and those with him were already in the Ark (a type of Christ) before the waters of the flood came. (Luke 17:27)
So too, the believer today is in Christ before the waters of baptism.
 
How do you view the "baptism" found in 1 Peter 3:21?
(sorry, I am a context guy, so I can't read just one verse ... a paragraph is the minimum) ;)

1 Peter 3:18-22 [CSB]
18 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 in which he also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison 20 who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared. In it a few -- that is, eight people -- were saved through water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you (not as the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God) through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.​

I was also thinking of:
Acts 2:38-41 [CSB]
38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 "For the promise is for you and for your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call." 40 With many other words he testified and strongly urged them, saying, "Be saved from this corrupt generation! " 41 So those who accepted his message were baptized, and that day about three thousand people were added to them.​
  • This group cannot help but have thout of John the Baptist upon hearing these words.
1 Corinthians 1:10-17 [CSB]
10 Now I urge you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, that there be no divisions among you, and that you be united with the same understanding and the same conviction. 11 For it has been reported to me about you, my brothers and sisters, by members of Chloe's people, that there is rivalry among you. 12 What I am saying is this: One of you says, "I belong to Paul," or "I belong to Apollos," or "I belong to Cephas," or "I belong to Christ." 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in Paul's name? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one can say you were baptized in my name. 16 I did, in fact, baptize the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't recall if I baptized anyone else. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel -- not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ will not be emptied of its effect.​
  • GOT to be talking about water ... the idea that Paul baptized anyone with the HS (Paul saves people, not Jesus) or no one with the HS (Paul was sent to preach but not save people) is crazy.

I do not think that it is possible to divorce WATER from SPIRIT in the Bible record. We have ONE EXAMPLE of saved without water ... the thief on a cross.
 
I do not think that it is possible to divorce WATER from SPIRIT in the Bible record. We have ONE EXAMPLE of saved without water ... the thief on a cross.

And Cornelius and the Gentiles with him (Acts 10, 11 and 15).
This was a pivotal conversion.

There are no other examples given to us from the New Covenant as to when the Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit - thus proving they were saved.
This took place before their water baptism.


The command to be water baptized for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the Holy Spirit in/upon water baptism applies only to the Jews of that time period. (Acts 2:38; cf. Acts 22:16)
 
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Precious friend, Fred, Great question:

Noah’s type {figurative} baptism (Genesis 6:13, 7:23; 1 Peter 3:20-21 KJB).

Peter, the apostle to the circumcision [Jews] (Galatians 2:8 KJB), writes to the
elect strangers (1 Peter 1:1-2 KJB), And mentions to them that eight people
were “saved by water!”

Thus, only One question:

Did “water baptism save” the Jews (the circumcision)?

Thanks again.

ChrisE
They were saved from the water in the Ark protected by the water that killed everyone. The Ark is what saved them not the water. That is my view. What do you think ?
 
There are no other examples given to us from the New Covenant as to when the Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit - thus proving they were saved.
This took place before their water baptism.
... but they WERE water baptized.

Don't get me wrong, I am a Particular Baptist so "Baptismal Regeneration via the sacrament of water immersion" is OFF THE TABLE! I belong to the "outer symbol of an inner reality" crowd. That said, "baptizo" means "whelm" (plunge under) and there are LOTS of water examples and it ("baptizo") is commanded. So, I am uncomfortable throwing out the "baptizo" that Jesus commanded ... BECAUSE He commanded it.

I am 99.9% CERTAIN [experiential knowledge] that God can save without any water. I am not sure that TESTING God is ever a good idea. So splitting the hair between the empirical expression and the metaphysical reality seems an unproductive debate.
  • Can you be saved without repenting? [Who would even want to?]
  • Can you OBEY God and receive the spirit, then DISOBEY God and refuse the "bapizo' ordinance? [Who would even want to?]
 
They were saved from the water in the Ark protected by the water that killed everyone. The Ark is what saved them not the water. That is my view. What do you think ?
The water destroyed all the SIN, the Ark (Christ) protected the chosen from the wrath of God.
We are immersed in the water sinful enemies. The old man dies in the "flood" of God's wrath. We are protected IN CHRIST and emerge as a new man. Buried with Christ and raised in Him.

Just as the flood cleansed the world and killed all the sin, with only those in the Ark of God (Christ Typology) surviving to live in a new Kingdom.

[Sorry, we Baptists get all emotional about this stuff.] :cool:
 
I do not think that it is possible to divorce WATER from SPIRIT in the Bible record.
Precious friend, thanks for your valuable input. Exactly how does one "get
a 'marriage' of" ( OT/ law ) water ritual + God's Mystery / Grace One Baptism?

( + Several More questions, Borrowed from 13 Bible baptisms study )

Bible records:

...( Israel's various washings! Greek: baptismos = Hebrews_9:10 ):

4. Levitical priesthood baptism (Exodus_29:4;
Leviticus_8:6; Numbers_8:7). This washing was The Second
Requirement {The First being: "No blemish!" (Leviticus_21:21)},
in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses!

God's One Baptism of Ephesians 4:5 is Unknown of "at this time" -
Where is the 'marriage'?

Is 4 above not connected (married) to?:

9. "water baptism of repentance For remission of sin," that John
preached (Before The Cross), And Peter continued (After The Cross!),
to preach! (Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31;
Luke_7:29-30; Acts_10:37; Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16;
Acts_2:38; Acts_22:16; Ezekiel_36:25 KJB).

a) Does this baptism “save” anyone (Luke_7:29-30 KJB)?

If it doesn't, then how does on negate God's Clear Words?:

"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified
God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees
and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being
not baptized of him."​

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b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For
them “to be a nation of priests unto God" (Exodus_19:6)?

b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction,
Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4 }.

b4) Did not Christ And The Twelve heal everyone in Israel who came to
them, in order to meet “The First Requirement” For the priesthood, that
Of No blemish!? (Matthew_4:24; Acts_5:16 cp Leviticus_21:21).

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c) Is this baptism for today? If "you believe this baptism is for us"
Today, then, we have Several More Questions:

c1) Why does no one Today, teach, as John ( Under The Law! ),
Claimed: it is Formaking Christ Manifest To Israel” (John_1:31)?

c2) Why does {Almost} no one Today, “Confess their sins,”
when they come to This baptism (Matthew_3:6; Mark_1:5)?
[ we won't mention 'baby' baptism traditions ]

c3) Why do not All Divided “denominations who water baptize”
today, agree As One, And teach water as John, Christ, And The
Twelve ( Under The Law! )
, “taught That water baptism Is For
The Remission Of sins!
” (Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; Acts_2:38).

{ instead of each one’s own “symbolic Re-Interpreted Traditions!” -
we amazingly wonder How "Pleasing is all this to God" }?

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Baptism Of Anointing?:

10. Pentecostal Spirit baptism

This is the baptism "With" The Holy Spirit, By Jesus Christ,
From Heaven, Poured Out Upon the believing remnant of Israel,
with signs and powers following!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38; Acts_8:15-17; Acts_11:16).

And, is not This The Third Requirement For "priesthood induction" =
Anointing? (compare Exodus_29:7; Leviticus_8:10-12).

a) Is God Performing "This" Baptism On us Today?

b) IF you believe you "are in the priesthood," are you Absolutely
Sure
that you have met All Three of God's Requirements?...

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Now, about this "marriage" - is this it? water + Baptism By Christ "With" The
Holy Spirit. If so, one may have a valid 'marriage', But, where are "the fruits"
of All the associated "signs and wonders following"? Pentecostals/Charismatics?

You do realize, of course, at this juncture, God's One Baptism Into the Body
Of Christ, "By" The Holy Spirit, are still yet Unknown?

Does God not divorce law from Grace in the Bible Record, or is it the
homogenization ( marriage ) of them that is Causing Massive Confusion?

to be continued...
 
Precious friend, thanks for your valuable input. Exactly how does one "get
a 'marriage' of" ( OT/ law ) water ritual + God's Mystery / Grace One Baptism?
The same way “one” (if that one is me) gets Father + Son + Spirit = ONE GOD … ‘Cause God said so! ;)
After I figure out the Trinity, ONE BAPTISM is next on my list. (I am saving “Daniel“ and “Revelations” for MUCH LATER).
 
Bible records:

...( Israel's various washings! Greek: baptismos = Hebrews_9:10 ):

4. Levitical priesthood baptism (Exodus_29:4;
Leviticus_8:6; Numbers_8:7). This washing was The Second
Requirement {The First being: "No blemish!" (Leviticus_21:21)},
in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses!

God's One Baptism of Ephesians 4:5 is Unknown of "at this time" -
Where is the 'marriage'?

Is 4 above not connected (married) to?:

9. "water baptism of repentance For remission of sin," that John
preached (Before The Cross), And Peter continued (After The Cross!),
to preach! (Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31;
Luke_7:29-30; Acts_10:37; Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16;
Acts_2:38; Acts_22:16; Ezekiel_36:25 KJB).

a) Does this baptism “save” anyone (Luke_7:29-30 KJB)?

If it doesn't, then how does on negate God's Clear Words?:

"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified
God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees
and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being
not baptized of him."
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b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For
them “to be a nation of priests unto God" (Exodus_19:6)?

b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction,
Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4 }.

b4) Did not Christ And The Twelve heal everyone in Israel who came to
them, in order to meet “The First Requirement” For the priesthood, that
Of No blemish!? (Matthew_4:24; Acts_5:16 cp Leviticus_21:21).

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c) Is this baptism for today? If "you believe this baptism is for us"
Today, then, we have Several More Questions:

c1) Why does no one Today, teach, as John ( Under The Law! ),
Claimed: it is Formaking Christ Manifest To Israel” (John_1:31)?

c2) Why does {Almost} no one Today, “Confess their sins,”
when they come to This baptism (Matthew_3:6; Mark_1:5)?
[ we won't mention 'baby' baptism traditions ]

c3) Why do not All Divided “denominations who water baptize”
today, agree As One, And teach water as John, Christ, And The
Twelve ( Under The Law! )
, “taught That water baptism Is For
The Remission Of sins!
” (Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; Acts_2:38).

{ instead of each one’s own “symbolic Re-Interpreted Traditions!” -
we amazingly wonder How "Pleasing is all this to God" }?

----------------------------------------------------------------

Baptism Of Anointing?:

10. Pentecostal Spirit baptism

This is the baptism "With" The Holy Spirit, By Jesus Christ,
From Heaven, Poured Out Upon the believing remnant of Israel,
with signs and powers following!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38; Acts_8:15-17; Acts_11:16).

And, is not This The Third Requirement For "priesthood induction" =
Anointing? (compare Exodus_29:7; Leviticus_8:10-12).

a) Is God Performing "This" Baptism On us Today?

b) IF you believe you "are in the priesthood," are you Absolutely
Sure
that you have met All Three of God's Requirements?...

------------------------------------------

Now, about this "marriage" - is this it? water + Baptism By Christ "With" The
Holy Spirit. If so, one may have a valid 'marriage', But, where are "the fruits"
of All the associated "signs and wonders following"? Pentecostals/Charismatics?

You do realize, of course, at this juncture, God's One Baptism Into the Body
Of Christ, "By" The Holy Spirit, are still yet Unknown?

Does God not divorce law from Grace in the Bible Record, or is it the
homogenization ( marriage ) of them that is Causing Massive Confusion?

to be continued...
… God has not left me 100% ignorant. The Baptism of John (the Baptist) was a new thing, not covered in OT Law or Rabbinical teachings. It did have a SIMILAR, but not identical, precedent. A gentile (boo hiss, utterly filthy) wishing to convert to Judaism at that time, might undergo a purification ritual more extreme than any other … that included complete immersion in ‘living water’ (a moving stream or large lake/sea). Thus John’s baptism of repentance in preparation for the coming Kingdom was a way of saying that the collective sin of the NATION was so great, that the people needed to cleanse themselves as if they were gentiles coming to God for the first time.

For Jesus to continue this radical “Baptism of Repentance” and link it to the new Kingdom and the Holy Spirit, suggests that the NEW COVENANT was so completely different that like the new wine not fitting in old wine skins, it required a complete conversion from the Old to the New (like a pagan coming to Judaism or the adulterous nation returning to God).
 
1 Cor 8:5
"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;"
Paul wrote of there being many kinds of lords and gods, but there is just ONE Lord and ONE God that can save (Eph 4:4-5)

James 2:14
"What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can this kind of faith save him?"
James speaks of different kinds of faith, but there is just ONE faith that can save (Eph 4:5)

Matt 3:11-13; Acts 2:38; etc
The NT speaks of different kinds of baptisms, but there is ONE baptism that can save (Eph 4:4-5).

To claim there is more than one kind of baptism that can save people today, then a person might as well claim there are more than one kind of lord and god that can save or more than one kind of faith that can save people today. To deny there is one baptism that saves, (or deny any of the "ones" of Eph 4:4-5) is to deny the very foundation of Christianity itself.
 
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