On The Question of Matthias

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15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Acts 1:15–26.

Sounds pretty clear-cut. But it’s not. Being that Acts is a historical document of approximately the first 30 years of the origin of the New Covenant Jewish Church founded by Jews this historical manuscript documents what happened during the first 30 years of the Jewish Church and does not teach doctrine, rather, as any historical document in which people, places, and events are recorded it is up to the student, in this case, a biblical student to look into these things and to hold them up to the Scripture already revealed in the Old and New Covenant Scriptures to see where the Jewish Church got it right and where they got it wrong.

First, we have the command of Christ for His disciples to return to Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives where Jesus ascended up to heaven and this command is found in Luke 24:

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Lk 24:49.

Strong’s [G#2523] another (active) form for [G#2516] (kathezomai); to seat down, i.e. set (figurative appoint); intransitive to sit (down); figurative to settle (hover, dwell.)

Jesus commands His disciples to return to Jerusalem and “wait” for the Promised Holy Spirit. From ascension to the Advent of the Holy Spirit is a window of ten days. But sometime before the Holy Spirit arrives Peter STOOD UP! In Jewish culture to teach one sits down. When one officiates a meeting one STANDS UP! Clearly Peter is already in disobedience.

Next is the following passage: (this is a gathering of 120 Jews)

16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Question is: If Judas wasn’t alive at the time of David what is Peter referring to that David spake about Judas who wasn’t alive yet? There is no mention of a “Judas” anywhere in the First Covenant Scriptures. There is one person named in Scripture before he was born and that was King Cyrus who allowed Israel to return to their homeland. So, what is Peter’s Scripture?

17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

Strong’s: [G#2674] katarithmeo from [G#2596] (kata) and [G#705] (arithmeo); to reckon among.

This is where we get the word “arithmetic.” In vs. 17 it is a compound word. I’ll come back to this later.

19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

From crucifixion to ascension this word got around quickly the plans of the religious leaders and what they were going to do with the 30 pieces of silver Judas rejected.

20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Specifically, Psalms 69:25 “25 Let †their habitation be desolate; And let none dwell in their tents.”

This is a prophecy of the destruction of their Temple by the Romans about 40 years later. Bad grammar and interpretation by Peter taking a prophecy meant in plural for Israel and trying to make it fit singular for Judas. But that’s Peter leaning upon his own understanding in the vanity of his mind. Totally ‘in the flesh’ Peter tries to make Scripture fit Judas but fails. It is bad grammar to try to make an adjective into a noun and to make a plural into a singular.

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

For a spiritual office Peter lays out a physical or natural qualification merely of witnessing Jesus’ baptism and resurrection. Besides this I find Peter doing what we all do when we seek God’s guidance. We offer God an “either” “or” not realizing that we don’t know God’s thoughts and His choice may be something else out of left field we never contemplated. Typical leaning on one’s own understanding.

24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

Really now, does Peter think God was going to follow his offering of two possibilities? And what does Peter mean “his own place?” Can’t be “hell” for there are no apostles of the Lord in “hell.” Jesus called Judas “Friend”, and neither are there any “Friends” of the Lord in “hell.” There is also one other person in all of Scripture called “Friend” and that is Abraham who was a Friend of God.

Still with the “either” “or” proposition.

Strong’s [G#651] “apostleship” apostolē from [G#649] (apostello); commission, i.e. (special) apostolate.

The word the KJV translators use is “apostleship” and it means “commission.” It derives from “apostolos” which means “sent.”

I agree Judas committed a transgression of the Law but I also see in Matthew 27:3-5 Judas understanding what his actions brought for “he saw” Jesus was “condemned” and he confessed his sin “I have betrayed innocent blood” and repented (changed his mind) and returned the money in hopes to buy back the life of Jesus. Actually, he rejected the money and threw it back at the priests in the Temple. He rejected the mammon. Now, what many who study Scripture fail to understand is what happen next. Judas recognizes his transgression that being complicit in the condemnation of an innocent man and his terrible understanding that under the Law if one is complicit in the condemnation of an innocent person, he must give life for life.

One of the religious leaders, possibly the high priest says, “What is that to us. See thou to that?” In other words, “What do we care, YOU handle it!” What these religious leaders should have done is what is prescribed in the Law, that is, death by stoning. But they tell Judas “See thou to that/YOU handle it!” He did. Judas went out and hanged himself in obedience to the Law prescribing Life for Life. Surely, it would have been better had he not been born. But God would have used someone else. So, Judas recognized his sin, he confessed his transgression, he repented and rejected the 30 pieces of silver, and went out and did the only thing left for him to do and hung himself in obedience to the Law of Moses of Life for Life. Looking back now knowing what we know about recognizing our sins before God and confessing them it is also part of salvation to repent of our sins, something Judas did as recorded in Matthew 27:3-5.

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

The Urim and Thummim (Lots) were stored in a pouch, sewn into the breastplate, which was placed directly over the priest's heart. They were put in this location to be a memorial before the Lord (Exodus 28:29). The Urim and Thummim were one of the main ways God conveyed his will to Israel (the others being dreams and prophets, see 1Samuel 28:6).

So, here’s Peter. He’s not a high priest and he’s using a mystical method to discern the LORD’S will. If he’d just do what the Lord commanded and wait for the Holy Spirit of Promise this would have turned out differently. But they’re at least one day away from the beginning of the New Covenant and Peter leads 119 disciples to appoint an apostle in the body of Christ and everything was new and they had no clue in what effect the New Covenant and Messiah would have on their covenants (Abraham, Moses, Davidic) until later and pretty much made attempts in hit and miss fashion. Mostly missed. Peter had no authority to cast the Lot as this was authorized and commanded for the high priest to use.

Strong’s [G#4785] synkatapsēphizomai from [G#4862] (sun) and a compound of [G#2596] (kata) and [G#5585] (psephizo); to count down in company with, i.e. enroll among.

This is a tri-compound word. It is completely different from the Greek word “numbered” in verse 15. It is used once and only here. So, what does this mean?

The Greek word “arithmeo” is found in:

30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

In Scripture Judas is described as being among the twelve “katarithmeo.” But the word in Acts 1:26 means to be “with.” Jesus saying the hairs of our head are numbered He is describing all the hairs of our head “among” each other. But the word for Matthias means “with” and is like taking a hair from someone else’s head and adding it together with the hairs on your head. Judas is described by the Holy Spirit of being among the twelve, and Matthias as being with the eleven. A very big difference.

The conclusion of the matter is this event in Acts 1:15-26 are recorded as it happened and taking place before the Holy Spirit’s advent Peter was in the flesh, without guidance, and disobeying a clear command of the Lord to wait for they were ‘endued with the Holy Spirit of Promise.’ Peter makes erroneous use of the OT Scripture in Psalms and misapplies the prophecies about the destruction of the Temple to apply to Judas as well as trying to fit a singular into a plural in David’s prayers against his enemies. Peter also provides a physical or natural qualification for being an apostle of merely seeing with one’s eyes Jesus’ baptism and resurrection. Peter submits an “either” “or” to the Lord and uses Lots to discern the Lord’s will when it is reasonable to conclude that while Jesus was on the planet for 40 days speaking about things of the kingdom of God after His resurrection and before His ascension that if He wanted to replace Judas, He would have done it while He was still with His disciples. The Greek language concerning the word “numbered” also clues us in to understand that Judas was among the twelve but Matthias as being with the eleven.

What happened when Herod killed James in Acts 12. Who replaced James? And if the method Peter used in Acts 1:15-26 is the correct way why doesn’t the Protestant Gentile Church continue to choose their apostles in this way today? The Roman Catholic Church does it this way. Why doesn’t the Protestants? Why did it stop? The answer is that by the time Paul and maybe Apollos came on the scend it was learned that Peter was in error as Paul, whose words Peter agrees are Scripture, says:

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, 1 Cor. 12:24.

God baptizes a person into the Body of Christ when they are born again (saved) and in doing so places them in whatever body part He’s called them to. Peter has no authority to place let alone call anyone to be an apostle. My brother, Peter, bless his soul, was in complete error and disobedience in choosing Matthias to be an apostle to replace Judas. Christ builds His Church by adding, not replacing:

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Because of Peter’s disobedience the Gentile Church has been paying for his error ever since.
 
And how are they paying?

Sure they were probably in the flesh but I don't think it's a big deal.
Not probably. Definitely in the "flesh" and leaning on their own understanding in the vanity of their minds.

Because of what Peter did the RCC have a basis of choosing their Popes. They pretty much 'control' 1 billion Catholics around the world. If Acts 1:15-26 didn't happen I wonder what the RCC would have done? Would there even be Popes?
 
Because of what Peter did the RCC have a basis of choosing their Popes. They pretty much 'control' 1 billion Catholics around the world. If Acts 1:15-26 didn't happen I wonder what the RCC would have done? Would there even be Popes?

To blame the entire RCC on this one incident is really silly and illogical. It's not like all their logic depends on this one incident.
 
To blame the entire RCC on this one incident is really silly and illogical. It's not like all their logic depends on this one incident.
I recognize the history of the RCC and along with the crusades and other acts against humanity including the persecution of the Lord's saints before the Dark Ages, during the Dark Ages and during the Reformation, the RCC has done much damage to the cause of Christ. But it is true that Christ does build His true Church on the blood of the martyrs and persecution has a way of sanctifying His people to Himself.
Being a one-time Catholic as a young child under 12 I think I can talk about it as opposed to someone not Catholic making judgment.
As I said, the book of Acts is a historical and doesn't necessarily contain recognizable doctrine but instead as a historical narration of approximately the first 30 years of the New Covenant Church all Luke did was record history. We as students of the Bible must disseminate all those people, places, and events against the rest of Scripture and what we do know now to learn whether the early Church muddling through growing pains and trial and error what they got right and what they did wrong.
When you became saved and born again you didn't know anything. Being Gentile learning about the Biblical God and His Christ from Scripture and through daily practice was a trial and error existence and we were blessed to have pastors and teachers and elders we could go to for counsel and guidance, but being Jewish (not traditional) and learning from that side about a man claiming to be your (Israel's Messiah) there were things about the Law, Psalms, and Prophets you were taught every Sabbath as a background in which to "see" this Jesus. The early Church as they came into the New Covenant post-Christ didn't have the benefit of pastors and teachers to guide them and everything they did with regard to Messiah's coming and His effect upon the Law and the Covenants was truly trial and error.

The early Church after the Holy Spirit came did not find a replacement for James after Herod killed him because by that time, at least on this subject, they learned that Peter was in error. Peter was in error many times and one of those times was recorded in Galatians when Paul stood up to his face and accused him of his error. The early apostles were Jewish Christians and, in their mind, looked at this New Covenant as a continuation of many aspects of the Law even with regard to circumcision of Gentiles. They were 'Judaizers' in the beginning until people like Paul and maybe Apollos gave them something to chew on with regard to this "so-great salvation." Now, here we are 2000 years later as Gentiles learning about a Jewish Messiah. We must guard against heretics like Marcion in the first century who tried to bifurcate the harsh, judgmental God of the Old Testament was different from the loving God of Luke of the New Testament because that heresy has come alive but instead of separating between the OT and NT God now it is separating between Jewish Christian and Gentile Christian in this present era. As Gentile, we must humble ourselves and accept our place at the Marriage Supper table - even in Christ's Kingly Court - and sit down at the lowest seat until we are called up higher. And if we as Gentiles with whom God has made no Covenant never get called to sit closer to the King to just be eternally grateful we were called to His Marriage at all. I am writing in general and not specifics. But the point remains.

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom. 9:4–5.

The Messiah we talk about is Jewish and the fulfillment of Jewish Covenant and Promises and as Gentile must not lose sight of that. Israel is the Bride and Church of God and being grafted into the natural branches should give us pause to really be thankful to God for His salvation poured out on Gentiles.
 
15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Acts 1:15–26.

Sounds pretty clear-cut. But it’s not. Being that Acts is a historical document of approximately the first 30 years of the origin of the New Covenant Jewish Church founded by Jews this historical manuscript documents what happened during the first 30 years of the Jewish Church and does not teach doctrine, rather, as any historical document in which people, places, and events are recorded it is up to the student, in this case, a biblical student to look into these things and to hold them up to the Scripture already revealed in the Old and New Covenant Scriptures to see where the Jewish Church got it right and where they got it wrong.

First, we have the command of Christ for His disciples to return to Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives where Jesus ascended up to heaven and this command is found in Luke 24:

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Lk 24:49.

The command had to do with not preaching the gospel until the reception of the Holy Spirit took place. It doesn't mean they had to wait and not take part in praying for the Lord to choose a new apostle.


20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Specifically, Psalms 69:25 “25 Let †their habitation be desolate; And let none dwell in their tents.”

This is a prophecy of the destruction of their Temple by the Romans about 40 years later.

That would then rule out Paul.


The Greek language concerning the word “numbered”

Irrelevant. See my comments immediately below.
You cited a total of zero Greek lexicons that affirm it makes any difference.

also clues us in to understand that Judas was among the twelve but Matthias as being with the eleven.

Peter was "with" the eleven in Acts 2:14 in the proclamation of the gospel.
This corresponds to Matthias being "added to the eleven apostles" in Acts 1:26.
Thus, when those preached to "said to Peter and the rest of the apostles" in Acts 2:37 Matthias was included as an apostle in equality with the other 11.

(1:26) And they drew lots for them, and the lot fell to Matthias;
and he was added to the eleven apostles.
(2:14) But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven
(2:37) Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart,
and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do?
(2:42) They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship,
to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
(2:43) Everyone kept feeling a sense of awe;
and many wonders and signs were taking place through the apostles.


What happened when Herod killed James in Acts 12. Who replaced James?

The Lord chose no one else to be part of the twelve.

And if the method Peter used in Acts 1:15-26 is the correct way why doesn’t the Protestant Gentile Church continue to choose their apostles in this way today?

This was a practice before the beginning of the New Covenant Church by believers whereby the will of the Lord was ascertained - see Proverbs 16:33. Since the NT Church did not begin until what was described in Acts 2:4 then the casting of lots as recorded in Acts 1:26 constituted a legitimate means to know what the will of the Lord was. With the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost there was no need for the continuation of this practice. This is why the Bible never mentions it again.

David Peterson: It is important to observe that there are no further examples of such decision making in the NT. As those who were about to enjoy the benefits of the New Covenant, the apostles were using a practice that was sanctioned by God but belonged to the old era. It took place before Pentecost, when the Spirit was poured out in a way that signified a new kind of relationship between God and his people. From Luke's emphasis on the Spirit's role in giving wisdom, guidance, and direction, it would appear that the apostolic example on this occasion is not to be followed by Christians today.
Footnote #106: There is no basis for the claim that the apostles were wrong to select Matthias and that they should have awaited God's choice of Paul to fill the vacancy (Pillar New Testament Commentary, Acts, page 128-129).
 
Definitely in the "flesh" and leaning on their own understanding in the vanity of their minds.

As opposed what Luke records in that Christ "opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" (Luke 24:45) - and these Scriptures include the "Psalms" (Luke 24:44), which is what Peter quoted from (Acts 1:20) right before the Lord chose Matthias by the end of Acts 1.
 
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Peter was in error many times and one of those times was recorded in Galatians when Paul stood up to his face and accused him of his error.

Thing is, whenever Peter acted or said things inappropriately the Bible makes clear that it was not to have been done.
This is not the case with what took place in Acts 1.

From the beginning of the Church in Acts 2:4 to the final words penned by John in the Book of Revelation the apostleship of Matthias was never condemned by anyone.


"They put forward two men" (Acts 1:23) - not just Peter but included are the other 10 apostles and the nearly 120 with them.
"They prayed" (Acts 1:24)
"They drew lots" (Acts 1:26)
They all (not just Peter) took part in this process.
 
As opposed what Luke records in that Christ "opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" (Luke 24:45) - and these Scriptures include the "Psalms" (Luke 24:44), which is what Peter quoted from (Acts 1:20) right before the Lord chose Matthias by the end of Acts 1.
That's fine. But the Lord also gave them command to hang tight for the most ten days, but Pete was disobedient and officiated a meeting in which he led the other ten disciples into error.
When the Lord tells me to wait, I WAIT!
Don't you?
How many times have you prayed for something and/or direction you get a 'sense' the Lord wants you to WAIT.
NO CHRISTIAN is a bull in a China shop.
When the pillar of fire moves, we move. When the smoke stops, we STOP.
And when the Head tells a body part to WAIT...
they BETTER WAIT!
 
Thing is, whenever Peter acted or said things inappropriately the Bible makes clear that it was not to have been done.
This is not the case with what took place in Acts 1.

From the beginning of the Church in Acts 2:4 to the final words penned by John in the Book of Revelation the apostleship of Matthias was never condemned by anyone.


"They put forward two men" (Acts 1:23) - not just Peter but included are the other 10 apostles and the nearly 120 with them.
"They prayed" (Acts 1:24)
"They drew lots" (Acts 1:26)
They all (not just Peter) took part in this process.
What's the matter with you?
You just ignore the command to WAIT!?
"Tarry" means to seat down.
Peter STOOD UP!
Is that hard to understand?
When I hold to a belief or understanding of a Scripture or doctrine and run into a passage of Scripture that contradicts what I believe, I don't ignore that Scripture in order to maintain what I believe before I came across that Scripture. I HAVE TO LET that Scripture modify, change, or cause me to throw away that belief for the direction that Scripture is taking me.
Doesn't that happen to you?
Or do you reject the Scripture to maintain your belief.
 
That's fine. But the Lord also gave them command to hang tight for the most ten days,

Which they did.


but Pete was disobedient and officiated a meeting in which he led the other ten disciples into error.

No proof for this baseless assertion.


When the Lord tells me to wait, I WAIT!
Don't you?

That was in regards to preaching the gospel.
Notice in Luke 24:47 the proclamation of the gospel is mentioned, and this connects with waiting to preach it when they were baptized with the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:49-Acts 1:5-Acts 2:4).
 
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Or do you reject the Scripture to maintain your belief.


But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven (Acts 2:14)
we are all witnesses. (Acts 2:32)
they...said to Peter and the rest of the apostles (Acts 2:37)

Since Luke has the 12 in prominence (Acts 2:14) the "we" refers to the 12 in (Acts 2:32). These are the same ones Luke informs that those who preached to referred to as "apostles" (Acts 2:37).


Here's something else you should consider. You maintain that Peter was in the flesh in what he said before the prayer and during the prayer in Acts 1. But notice what Peter said when he was "filled with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:4) agrees with what he said in Acts 1:22.

one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection (Acts 1:22)
We are all witnesses (Acts 2:32)

Since the "we", being witnesses in Acts 2:32 points back to the 12 in Acts 2:14 proves that Peter (and the others) were correct in Acts 1:22 - before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:4.
 
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Which they did.




No proof for this baseless assertion.




That was in regards to preaching the gospel.
Notice in Luke 24:47 the proclamation of the gospel is mentioned, and this connects with waiting to preach it when they were baptized with the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:49-Acts 1:5-Acts 2:4).
Why the change from "his" in verse 47 as though someone named Luke wrote this but it is not a direct command as is verse 49:

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Lk 24:45–47.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Lk 24:49.

One talks about preaching in HIS name...

And the other is a DIRECT COMMAND of the Lord.

Which command Peter disobeyed.
 
But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven (Acts 2:14)
we are all witnesses. (Acts 2:32)
they...said to Peter and the rest of the apostles (Acts 2:37)

Since Luke has the 12 in prominence (Acts 2:14) the "we" refers to the 12 in (Acts 2:32). These are the same ones Luke informs that those who preached to referred to as "apostles" (Acts 2:37).


Here's something else you should consider. You maintain that Peter was in the flesh in what he said before the prayer and during the prayer in Acts 1. But notice what Peter said when he was "filled with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:4) agrees with what he said in Acts 1:22.

one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection (Acts 1:22)
We are all witnesses (Acts 2:32)

Since the "we", being witnesses in Acts 2:32 points back to the 12 in Acts 2:14 proves that Peter (and the others) were correct in Acts 1:22 - before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:4.
A physical qualification for a spiritual office of apostle.
All one had to do in Peter's mind is merely see with their eyes Jesus' baptism to His resurrection.
But Matthias was not with the twelve. Jesus hung out with twelve disciples not thirteen.
In the gospels there is no mention of Matthias at all. This is telling and very significant.
Look, you go ahead and read into Scripture things that are not there. One group says Matthias replaced Judas, another group says Paul replaced Judas, so you guys go at it.
Me? I hold to the Scripture.
Christ doesn't replace, HE ADDS:

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:47.
 
Why the change from "his" in verse 47 as though someone named Luke wrote this but it is not a direct command as is verse 49:

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Lk 24:45–47.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Lk 24:49.

One talks about preaching in HIS name...

And the other is a DIRECT COMMAND of the Lord.

Which command Peter disobeyed.

Both are commands.
 
A physical qualification for a spiritual office of apostle.
All one had to do in Peter's mind is merely see with their eyes Jesus' baptism to His resurrection.
But Matthias was not with the twelve. Jesus hung out with twelve disciples not thirteen.

Jesus was with many people.
In the gospels there is no mention of Matthias at all. This is telling and very significant.
Look, you go ahead and read into Scripture things that are not there. One group says Matthias replaced Judas, another group says Paul replaced Judas, so you guys go at it.
Me? I hold to the Scripture.
Christ doesn't replace, HE ADDS:

Christ replaced the Old Covenant with the New Covenant. (2 Cor. 3:11)
 
Jesus was with many people.


Christ replaced the Old Covenant with the New Covenant. (2 Cor. 3:11)
Yes, a New Covenant God made with the House of ISRAEL - and you are not of the Hose of Israel:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour [a member of any other of the twelve tribes], and every man his brother [member of the same tribe], saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer. 31:31–34.

This comes out of the Hebrew/Jewish writings of their Prophets. The other two parts of their writings are the Law and the Psalms. These are Hebrew/Jewish writings of the people of Israel.
The New Covenant writings are written by Jewish Christians to other Jewish Christians and those writings discuss the history of the Jewish people, their covenants made with God, the Promises God made with Israel, their culture and practices, and everything Jewish. What Gentiles do is steal Israel's covenants and their prophecies and their promises God made with them and attempt to make everything Hebrew/Jewish into a new image of Gentile possession. Gentile Christians have stolen from God's betrothed Bride and Church everything God has given them, even their Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures.
BUT GOD MADE NO COVENANT WITH GENTILES, so Gentiles steal what belongs to Israel.
One day the Times of the Gentiles will end, and the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will turn His full attention back towards Israel and will reject Gentile Christians for their treatment of Israel these 2000 years and woo them back to Himself after using Gentiles to make His Bride and Church jealous and then, as Paul said, "all Israel shall be saved."
It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.
The God of ABRAHAM, ISAAC, and JACOB.
NOT the god of Manny, Moe, and Jack.
Say it with me, "God made NO covenant with Gentiles."
 
I've been grafted in (Romans 11:17).



Say it to yourself.
I'm a Jew "inwardly" and part of "the Israel of God."
Inheritance theft is sin.
Since Paul is writing to Jewish Christians the context is that a Jew outwardly who as part of the New Covenant and is saved by Israel's Messiah and King is also a Jew "inwardly."
Paul is not talking about Gentiles in this letter to Jewish Christians in Rome.
Nice try.
 
Jesus was with many people.


Christ replaced the Old Covenant with the New Covenant. (2 Cor. 3:11)
To believe that is to believe in Deicide for the New Covenant is the Holy Spirit and the Law (Old Covenant) is type and shadow of the Holy Spirit.
No Old Covenant to put in our inward parts no Holy Spirit to lean and guide us from within for the Kingdom of God is within.
 
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