No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[TomL]

They were mentioned in Jn 10

There is no mention of sheep in the verse.

John 12:32 (LEB) — 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Christ died for all.

Hebrews 2:9 (LEB) — 9 but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

A ransom for all, as God desires the salvation of all people

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

He was therefore making propitiation for all the world's sin

1 John 2:2 (LEB) — 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Christ is therefore a savior for all the world

1 John 4:14 (LEB) — 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Titus 2:11 (LEB) — 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

1 Timothy 4:10 (LEB) — 10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

 

[TomL]

Okay, all men by nature are confined to unbelief , its part of dying spiritually in Adam

Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

For God hath shut up all unto disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all. asv

Man cant freewill himself out of the prison of unbelief.

As a side note, you ignored the second half of the verse.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[brightfame52]

Not according to the verses posted

It's According to Rom 11:32

 

[brightfame52]

There is no mention of sheep in the verse.

They were mentioned in John 10 the objects of his death haven't changed

 

[brightfame52]

As a side note, you ignored the second half of the verse.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Yeah all the election and when he had mercy on them they believe. He doesn't have mercy on the vessels of wrath that he's fitting for destruction in Romans 9 , Mercy is only for the vessels of Mercy duh

 

[FreeInChrist]

It's According to Rom 11:32

This verse is a profound declaration of truth, but it must be understood in the narrow context of this specific passage. Paul is not teaching that every single person, of all time, will receive God's mercy. This idea, known as universalism, would contradict what Paul has written previously: that the only way to be saved is by accepting Christ (Romans 10:9–10). Paul has made abundantly clear that the opportunity to receive God's mercy, instead of the deserved payment for our sin (Romans 6:23), is something accessible only through Jesus Christ.

Instead, the word "all" should be understood in reference to the two people groups Paul has been discussing throughout this chapter: the Jews and the Gentiles. God has turned both groups—"all"—over to their disobedience for a time so that people from both groups may receive mercy from Him in the right time through faith in Christ.

What does it mean that God consigned each group to disobedience? In Romans 1, Paul described God's reaction to the sinful unbelief of the Gentiles. He gave them up or turned them over to their own sinful desires (Romans 1:24, 26, 28). In a similar way, God is described as having hardened the Israelites in their initial unbelief in Christ for a season (Romans 11:25).

In the end, though, God will show mercy to people in both groups— to "all"—by His grace and through their faith in Christ.

Can you possibly understand the relevance of this final sentence.

NO... I am not going to explain it to you... but caution you to think on it every time you decided to teach with your chasstising ways. BTW, are you by any chance related to Dorothy Bryson? She is long gone but the way you talk
reminds me so much of the way she taught.

 

[brightfame52]

This verse is a profound declaration of truth, but it must be understood in the narrow context of this specific passage. Paul is not teaching that every single person, of all time, will receive God's mercy. This idea, known as universalism, would contradict what Paul has written previously: that the only way to be saved is by accepting Christ (Romans 10:9–10). Paul has made abundantly clear that the opportunity to receive God's mercy, instead of the deserved payment for our sin (Romans 6:23), is something accessible only through Jesus Christ.

Instead, the word "all" should be understood in reference to the two people groups Paul has been discussing throughout this chapter: the Jews and the Gentiles. God has turned both groups—"all"—over to their disobedience for a time so that people from both groups may receive mercy from Him in the right time through faith in Christ.

What does it mean that God consigned each group to disobedience? In Romans 1, Paul described God's reaction to the sinful unbelief of the Gentiles. He gave them up or turned them over to their own sinful desires (Romans 1:24, 26, 28). In a similar way, God is described as having hardened the Israelites in their initial unbelief in Christ for a season (Romans 11:25).

In the end, though, God will show mercy to people in both groups— to "all"—by His grace and through their faith in Christ.

Can you possibly understand the relevance of this final sentence.

NO... I am not going to explain it to you... but caution you to think on it every time you decided to teach with your chasstising ways. BTW, are you by any chance related to Dorothy Bryson? She is long gone but the way you talk
reminds me so much of the way she taught.

Men are imprisoned in unbelief, only hope of release is salvation mercy applied to them.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Men are imprisoned in unbelief, only hope of release is salvation mercy applied to them.

When did that happen to you, or are you still waiting?


Look, Son of Dot....
You keep saying it over and over again like someone throwing spaghetti against the wall and seeing if it sticks.... like you need it stuck to you.

Since you have said there is nothing we can do about it because BECAUSE WE WERE PURPOSELY MADE THIS WAY. Or else, how can you explain your views otherwise.
Dont you dare say wrong because YOU offer no other option to anyone but yourself.

Over and over again and again

Men are imprisoned in unbelief,

But then you lie.... yes you do when you complete things with

only hope of release is salvation mercy applied to them.

Because you have spent literally thousands of posts saying things like " God hath concluded them all in unbelief, "
And, Christs death is limited to the elect.....
But you know what I notice about you.... I have never once in all the posts I have seen from you see your reply to
the things @jeremiah1five teaches. Is that because he is right? Just askin.

Everyone has their own stich around here. I dare say if each of you were to start your own churches... there WOULD BE something for everyone . Just dont let anyone offer any Koolaid, please.


Wait... @brightfame52

Don't go off in a huff....

Come here....... lets all sit around the ole campfire singing Kumbaya and making s'mores. And worshipping HIM

In the end it will be alright

God loves you and so do I.

 

[FreeInChrist]

He drawed all the converted.

how ever will the reprobates that are not saved get up there for their judgement?

He drew all....

 

[FreeInChrist]

Okay, all men by nature are confined to unbelief , its part of dying spiritually in Adam

Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

That He might have mercy upon all...... not just the elect.

Ai
"Have mercy on them all" refers to God's compassion and forgiveness extended to all people, regardless of their past disobedience or sins.

For God hath shut up all unto disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all. asv

Repeating:

Search Assist

"Have mercy on them all" refers to God's compassion and forgiveness extended to all people, regardless of their past disobedience or sins.

Man cant freewill himself out of the prison of unbelief.

Ummmmmm. Looks like that is not going to be a problem according to Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[brightfame52]

There must be a Divine Intervention before can believe or come to Christ, a giving of a new mind and heart. Mans heart and mind by nature is enmity against God and not subject to God, and cant be ! Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Also while unregenerate, by nature we are children of wrath as others, and the mind fulfills the lust of the flesh Eph 2:3

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature[physical origin] the children of wrath, even as others.

Folks this is how we are by natural physical birth, our wills belong to the flesh. Nothing short of a New Nature, New beginning is needed, and thats the Divine Intervention. 9

 

[brightfame52]

When did that happen

Good question, when Adam disobeyed and all men died, unbelief became ingrained in the dead fallen nature.

 

[brightfame52]

how ever will the reprobates that are not saved get up there for their judgement?

He drew all....

He didnt draw the reprobates, they were predestined to hell, He didnt die for them. The all is limited to believers.

 

[brightfame52]

That He might have mercy upon all...... not just the elect.

That scripture is only about the elect, even though the non elect are also locked in unbelief, but they wont receive mercy. Whoever believes were the all God had mercy on, the non elect will never believe, because they are the objects of Gods wrath, not mercy. Read Rom 9 we have made vessels of mercy and then vessels of wrath.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Good question, when Adam disobeyed and all men died, unbelief became ingrained in the dead fallen nature.

Ah, it is always Adam's fault . Eve had nothing to do with it. Good to know

 

[FreeInChrist]

He didnt draw the reprobates, they were predestined to hell, He didnt die for them. The all is limited to believers.

Then you are telling all of us there will be not the Great White Throne Judgement.

This judgment that is specifically for those not found in the Book of Life, indicating their rejection of faith in Jesus Christ

Another good thing to know.

 

[FreeInChrist]

That scripture is only about the elect, even though the non elect are also locked in unbelief, but they wont receive mercy. Whoever believes were the all God had mercy on, the non elect will never believe, because they are the objects of Gods wrath, not mercy. Read Rom 9 we have made vessels of mercy and then vessels of wrath.

I dontt have to read it.... you already cancelled the Great White Throne Judgement.

IT WONT BE NEEDED AS IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED..... RIGHT?

 

[brightfame52]

Ah, it is always Adam's fault . Eve had nothing to do with it. Good to know

Adam was the federal head, so it was our fault in Adam

 

[brightfame52]

Then you are telling all of us there will be not the Great White Throne Judgement.

I dont see how you got that. And its a different subject

 

[brightfame52]

I dontt have to read it.... you already cancelled the Great White Throne Judgement.

IT WONT BE NEEDED AS IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED..... RIGHT?

You sure know how to lose track in a discussion, you going all over the place lol