Neil Spargo
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What are you talking about? It's all bible verses no spin at all. The verses speak for themselves, you just don't like what they say.
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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brightfame52
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I have no problem with them
Begotten
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Compatibilism is a theological perspective that attempts to harmonize free will and predestination. This view holds that human free will is compatible with God’s sovereign predestination. Philippians 2:12-13 reflects this balance: “Continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.” While humans are urged to actively pursue their salvation, it is ultimately God working within them to bring about His purpose.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Do you believe God loves the world?
Only people who are already saved, can work out their own salvation.
Here is how the scriptures teach us an unsaved person will be saved.
“If” denotes the condition by which an unsaved person will be saved.
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
Do you believe it is necessary to confess Jesus as Lord to be saved?
brightfame52
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So you think unconditional eternal hell predestination is a expression of love?
brightfame52
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No one has the ability to accept Jesus unless the Father gives it to him !
brightfame52
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Rabbit trail
You have no answer
brightfame52
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Rabbit trail
Why are you running from the question?
So you think unconditional eternal hell predestination is a expression of love?
dwight92070
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The Bible begins with free will for man and ends with free will for man:
Adam and Eve could freely choose to obey God and not eat of the fruit OR to disobey God and eat of the fruit.
Revelation 22:17 "The Spirit and the bride say, 'Come.' And let the one who hears say, 'Come.' And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost."
Adam and Eve could freely choose to obey God and not eat of the fruit OR to disobey God and eat of the fruit.
Revelation 22:17 "The Spirit and the bride say, 'Come.' And let the one who hears say, 'Come.' And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost."
Your regenerate so that men can believe theology has been refuted.
And that men can believe
Romans 10:6–10 (NASB95) — 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
brightfame52
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Rabbit trail continues
How long will you continue it?
So you think unconditional eternal hell predestination is a expression of love?
brightfame52
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As long as you continue to present the rabbit trail.
You are dodging
brightfame52
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A person comes to Christ only because the Father causes him to come to Christ,
Thats what in essence Jn 6:44 is saying, Similar to Psalm 65:4
4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.
Its a Covenant Blessing Ezk 36:27
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
The drawing of the Father in Jn 6:44 is His causing His Chosen People to believe in Christ !14
Thats what in essence Jn 6:44 is saying, Similar to Psalm 65:4
4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.
Its a Covenant Blessing Ezk 36:27
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
The drawing of the Father in Jn 6:44 is His causing His Chosen People to believe in Christ !14
Burdock
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2 Timothy 3:15-16: You have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.
Is the nature of this divine revelation, God’s inspired word, and all that God has done to reveal Himself to humanity, sufficient to enable a fallen man to respond willingly to His appeals? Focusing only on the nature of mankind ignores this question. Is the word of God, that which brought everything into existence, sufficiently powerful to accomplish the purpose for which the Scripture says it was sent?
Isaiah 55:11: So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
All Christians would have to admit that God’s word is sufficient to accomplish its biblically stated purpose, but what is that purpose? Why did God have these powerful truths recorded for us and spread throughout the world?
John 20:31: These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. The purpose for these truths being inspired and written is so “that you may believe,” and the world along with you.
Is the nature of this divine revelation, God’s inspired word, and all that God has done to reveal Himself to humanity, sufficient to enable a fallen man to respond willingly to His appeals? Focusing only on the nature of mankind ignores this question. Is the word of God, that which brought everything into existence, sufficiently powerful to accomplish the purpose for which the Scripture says it was sent?
Isaiah 55:11: So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
All Christians would have to admit that God’s word is sufficient to accomplish its biblically stated purpose, but what is that purpose? Why did God have these powerful truths recorded for us and spread throughout the world?
John 20:31: These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. The purpose for these truths being inspired and written is so “that you may believe,” and the world along with you.
