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[Rockerduck]

The Times of the Gentiles ended in 1948 when Israel became a nation and again possessed greater Israel AND in 1967 possessed Jerusalem.

Good point.

 

[civic]

The Times of the Gentiles ended in 1948 when Israel became a nation and again possessed greater Israel AND in 1967 possessed Jerusalem.

I do not think so since Christ has not returned and set up His kingdom which is still future.

When we examine the book of Revelation, we find similar references to the time of Gentile dominion ending with the return of Christ. In Revelation 11:2, John indicates that Jerusalem will be under Gentile rule, even though the temple has been restored. The armies of the Beast are destroyed by the Lord in Revelation 19:17–19, just before the millennial reign of Christ is initiated.

Looking again at Luke 21:24, we see that Jesus mentions a time in which Jerusalem is under the dominion of Gentile authority. Nebuchadnezzar’s conquest of Jerusalem in 588 BC began that period, and it has continued through the present time. Romans 11:25 gives us a hint as to God’s purpose in the times of the Gentiles: the spread of the gospel throughout the whole world. The organization and inventions of the pagan world powers have actually aided the evangelism of the world. For example, in the first century, it was the widespread use of the Greek language and the network of Roman roads that allowed many people in far-off lands to hear the gospel.

One theme of Romans 11 is that, when the Jewish people rejected Christ, they were temporarily cut off from the blessings of a relationship with God. As a result, the gospel was given to the Gentiles, and they gladly received it. This partial hardening of heart for Israel doesn’t preclude individual Jews from being saved, but it prevents the nation from accepting Christ as Messiah until His plans are finished. When the time is right, God will restore the entire nation, and they will come to faith in Him once again, ending “the times of the Gentiles” (Isaiah 17:7; 62:11–12; Romans 11:26).got?

Hope this helps !!!

 

[SteveB]

WHERE O' WHERE is the Times of the Gentiles connected with Gentile salvation? There is none. God never made covenant with Gentiles (non-Hebrews.) The children of Israel are in covenant with God - not Gentiles.
Today, as was in the past, those Hebrews that were considered "Gentile" were mixed heritage Jews just as the Samaritans were mixed heritage Hebrews and were not called "Jew" but called "Samaritan" the same way the NT addresses "Gentiles." These are those mixed heritage Hebrews who grew up Gentile having lost their identity because after about 15-20 generations of offspring these mixed heritage Hebrews were considered "Gentile" because they grew up heavily influenced by Greek culture. These were Hellenized. They were:

12 ..... without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph. 2:12–13.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Acts 2:39–40.

These mixed heritage Hebrews were the subject of whether or not to circumcise them. The question was resolved at the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 (ca. AD 50.) I KNOW they were mixed heritage Hebrews because the elders and apostles in Jerusalem would NEVER cause Gentiles to be placed under those four precepts of the Law:

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye
#1 abstain from meats offered to idols, and
#2 from blood, and
#3 from things strangled, and
#4 from fornication:
Acts 15:28–29.

The Holy Spirit would never violate His covenant and place Gentiles under the Law. Such a thing would cause an uproar among the Jews and the elders and apostles - if they did so - would have caused riots among Jewry.

If these were non-Hebrew Gentiles and the apostles placed them under the Law, they would lose all credibility.
But they were NOT Gentiles but mixed heritage Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lifestyle in a Greek culture.

I.e., you have nothing to validate your opinion.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[jeremiah1five]

So now all Gentiles can apply for Israeli citizenship according to your mythological fables. First you want to ethnically cleanse us Gentiles and now you're granting us Israeli citizenship. Make up your mind what you want to do with us Gentiles. You're making our heads spin.

Simply put....God made no covenant with Gentiles.

I do not think so since Christ has not returned and set up His kingdom which is still future.

When we examine the book of Revelation, we find similar references to the time of Gentile dominion ending with the return of Christ. In Revelation 11:2, John indicates that Jerusalem will be under Gentile rule, even though the temple has been restored. The armies of the Beast are destroyed by the Lord in Revelation 19:17–19, just before the millennial reign of Christ is initiated.

It doesn't say Israel will be under Gentile rule. It says Jerusalem will be trampled on indicating warfare inside the city. And this coincides with Zechariah:

1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, And thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; And the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and ethe women ravished; And half of the city shall go forth into captivity, And the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, As when he fought in the day of battle. Zech. 14:1–3.

Whether or not Israel uses its nukes is unclear but I promise you Israel will let some off the chain. They just won't do that within their city. It just might be a war of attrition. It will be an escalation, not a sudden attack.

Looking again at Luke 21:24, we see that Jesus mentions a time in which Jerusalem is under the dominion of Gentile authority.

This happened in 70 AD by the Romans.

Nebuchadnezzar’s conquest of Jerusalem in 588 BC began that period, and it has continued through the present time.

This was the second exile. Assyria took the ten northern tribes in 722 BC. Babylon in 586 BC. But in time both empires were defeated, and the Jews were able to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the walls of the city. Take note that it was the two southern kingdom tribes (Judah and Benjamin) that returned to Israel and Scripture describes them as a remnant (about 10% of all Jews living at the time.) The majority - 90% - remained in conquered Assyria and in Babylon and in Gentile lands in-between. It was these people that knew nothing of Messiah's arrival that Jesus sent the disciples/apostles to herald His arrival and departure that He had come. It was important to God that His people know the one thing He wanted to communicate to them in Gentile lands: God has kept His Promise. THAT is the gospel message. And there were other 'gospel' [good news] messages. But for all intents and purposes the majority of Jews remained in Gentile lands and remained there for about 15-20 generations. And in that time Jews assimilated and learned Gentile ways and Greek culture. It was these Jews that were the subject of the Jerusalem Council. The question was whether or not these Hellenized Jews who received the Spirit of Promise were to be circumcised. Instead, the elders and apostles in Jerusalem gave these mixed-heritage Jews four precepts of the Law of Moses to obey (Acts 15.) They were not non-Hebrew Gentiles that are in view here for the apostles would NEVER instruct Gentiles to obey the Law of Moses. They were mixed-heritage Jews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture (Hellenized.) If they were non-Hebrew Gentiles and the apostles commanded them to obey these four precepts of the Law of Moses all of Jewry would be up in arms, there would be riots, and the apostles would lose all credibility. And they were all held in high regard as Jewish Christians. It was later that after being told about Israel's Messiah dying on a tree (stumbling block) consistently that unconverted Jews took issue and first excommunicated them out of the synagogues (which began home fellowship meeting places) and then outright persecution broke out (Heb. 6) against them.

Romans 11:25 gives us a hint as to God’s purpose in the times of the Gentiles: the spread of the gospel throughout the whole world.

That is what happen because of false teaching. Then, non-Hebrew Gentiles took over from the Hellenized Jews after the destruction of the Jewish Temple. In time and during these days God continued to save mixed heritage Hebrews (Abraham's seed) since He had promised that He would do that. You see, true, biblical Christianity was Hebrew in origin (Pentecost and beyond) but after the Jews and Jewish Christians were scattered again in 70 AD it was the Hellenized Jews that continued the Church that Christ built, but by being Hellenized and not knowledgeable in their Hebrew heritage growing up as Gentiles in a Greek culture, it took a few errors and soon non-Hebrew Gentiles - or the appearance of non-Hebrews Gentiles - took over and through false doctrine and misinterpretation these Hellenized Jews died out and non-Hebrew Gentiles were mixed in with Hellenized Jews and in time the Hebrew message and Hebrew salvation began to be erroneously taught to unbelievers and through false conversions a Gentile foothold took place. The rest is what we have today. The false idea of a Gentile covenant inclusion and Gentile "churches." Once these Hellenized Jews were in control, they through ignorance of their Hebrew/Jewish heritage and culture and religion unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots. But all that will be corrected. And when it does a great deal of Gentiles will be pissed off and feel threatened by the truth and join Gentile nations and oppose and war against Jews today and in the near future. The two Jewish witnesses will correct these Gentile errors and all of Gentile "Christendom" will be offended and contradict the Jewish heritage of true, biblical Christianity and there will be conflict:

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; Zec 14:2.

Here is the biblical record:

The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abram the HEBREW, and his HEBREW seed.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel (Jacob.)
The New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel (ten northern kingdom tribes) and Judah (two southern kingdom tribes.) There is no record in all of the Hebrew Scripture - the Scripture Saul said to Timothy 3:16-17 is for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. None.

So, where does all this Gentile inclusion in the three Hebrew covenants come from? It's not in the bible. All the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation was written by Jewish Christians to and for other Jews and Jewish Christians. There is no such thing as a Gentile "Church." Thus, the identity of "Gentiles" in the NT can only be mixed-heritage Hebrews who are of the Diaspora due to the Assyrian and Babylonian conquests and exile. After that, there were two more scatterings of Jews. One was the Romans in 70 AD, the other by Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.

The organization and inventions of the pagan world powers have actually aided the evangelism of the world. For example, in the first century, it was the widespread use of the Greek language and the network of Roman roads that allowed many people in far-off lands to hear the gospel.

One theme of Romans 11 is that, when the Jewish people rejected Christ, they were temporarily cut off from the blessings of a relationship with God.

They were not cut off. Messiah was cut off. Three thousand Jews were born-again on Pentecost. Days/weeks later five thousand more Jews were converted to Messiah. God made Promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) and He will keep His Promises no matter what Israel does. Israel is His Betrothed, Israel is His Church (called out [ones]), and Israel is the apple of His eye. Genesis to Malachi is a record of their covenant relationship and God still has promises to keep to Israel. They are His Chosen people - not Gentiles.

As a result, the gospel was given to the Gentiles,

The good news of Messiah's arrival was sent INTO Gentile lands where the majority of Jews lived who didn't return with a remnant who did. The message was clear: Messiah had come, and God has kept His Promise.

and they gladly received it. This partial hardening of heart for Israel doesn’t preclude individual Jews from being saved, but it prevents the nation from accepting Christ as Messiah until His plans are finished. When the time is right, God will restore the entire nation, and they will come to faith in Him once again, ending “the times of the Gentiles” (Isaiah 17:7; 62:11–12; Romans 11:26).got?

Hope this helps !!!

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev. 5:9.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. John 17:5–6.

The high priest does two things: prays for the people of God in covenant, and offers sacrifices for the people of God in covenant.
Jesus, as High Priest did the same thing: He prayed for the people of God in covenant (John 17) and offered Himself as sacrifice on the cross for the people of God in covenant. This is why Saul says:

4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom. 9:4–5.

and the confirmation:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

When the Jews living when Messiah returns, they will occupy the Promised Land and Jesus will be King residing at Jerusalem. There will be no Gentiles living in the Promised Land for He will remove Gentiles out of the land. There will be no Canaanite there anymore. First time this to happen.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: And all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: And in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts. Zech. 14:21.

In other words, no Gentiles. Where will the Gentiles live? Outside the Promised Land. And what happen to the Gentiles living outside the Promised Land and surrounding the Promised Land?

Only this:

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev. 20:7–9.

God made no covenant with Gentiles. None. There is a great error being perpetrated in the world today and it is the false teaching that Gentiles are in the Abraham Covenant, and they misinterpret this verse among others to prove their deception:

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:28–29.

Notice it doesn't say "Gentile" but Greek, or Hellenized Hebrews. The only people that are inheritors of the Abraham Covenant are Hebrews, Abraham's seed. When a Jewish man approached Jesus and asked him how he could inherit eternal life Jesus directed him to the Law and instructed him to continue obeying it. And every born-again Jew whom Christ baptized into His body was Jew, or Hebrew. And after they became born-again, they continued to obey the Law of Moses because it was for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. Even Saul continued to obey the Law of Moses after he met His Lord and Savior.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I.e., you have nothing to validate your opinion.

Thank you for clarifying.

What? You don't respect the record of God's relationship with the children of Israel. The whole of Scripture is a record of that relationship. From Genesis to Revelation is a record of His relationship with the children of Israel.
Israel is the rightful inheritors of both covenants given first to Abraham and later through Moses to Abraham's seed the children of Israel. Rightly dividing the Word of God I find no record of a covenant between God and Gentiles. None.

 

[SteveB]

What?

What what?

You don't respect the record of God's relationship with the children of Israel.

Actually I do trust YHVH's Word.
it's your ideas of YHVH's Word i don't trust.
you have been posting incredibly bizarre ideas, and reject the salvation of YHVH being for non Jewish people, and need to justify it for mixed blood Jewish people only.

The whole of Scripture is a record of that relationship.

yep. It sure is.

From Genesis to Revelation is a record of His relationship with the children of Israel.

yep.

Israel is the rightful inheritors of both covenants given first to Abraham and later through Moses to Abraham's seed the children of Israel.

yep.

Rightly dividing the Word of God I find no record of a covenant between God and Gentiles. None.

Of course you don't.
Which is exactly why I consider you a bad source. Unreliable for Truth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

What what?

Actually I do trust YHVH's Word.
it's your ideas of YHVH's Word i don't trust.
you have been posting incredibly bizarre ideas, and reject the salvation of YHVH being for non Jewish people, and need to justify it for mixed blood Jewish people only.


yep. It sure is.

yep.


yep.

Of course you don't.
Which is exactly why I consider you a bad source. Unreliable for Truth.

To me Scripture is what tells me what to believe.
I don't tell the Word of God what to say.
Case in point...
There is no covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles.
This means non-Hebrew Gentiles are not saved, never been saved, never will be saved.

What will you have if included with the Hebrew Covenant established between God and Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew seed?

Do you know?

IF God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew, and with Abram's Hebrew seed, that God ALSO made covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles? What will you have in this situation?

 

[SteveB]

To me Scripture is what tells me what to believe.

Same here.

I don't tell the Word of God what to say.

Exactly.

Case in point...
There is no covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles.

that's what you want to see.

This means non-Hebrew Gentiles are not saved, never been saved, never will be saved.

Case in point.
you're talking to a bunch of non-Hebrew Gentiles on a forum owned and operated by a non-Hebrew Gentile.

What will you have if included with the Hebrew Covenant established between God and Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew seed?

Eternal life, the divine nature of YHVH, making me spiritually alive and you'll have to spend your eternity in the presence of a bunch of dirty dogs, cleansed by the blood of Jesus.

Do you know?

Yep!

IF God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew, and with Abram's Hebrew seed, that God ALSO made covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles? What will you have in this situation?

Rather curious thing about this...

All
The
Nations
Of
The
Earth
Will
Be
Blessed
By
The
Seed
Of
Abraham.

Exactly as stated in revelation 7.

Rev 7:9 WEB After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could count, out of every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.

Just imagine all that filthy grime you'll have to spend your eternity with. I can't even begin to imagine how humilitiating that'll be for you.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles from every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages.... all cleansed by the blood of Jesus the Messiah of Israel.

Merry Jesus-mas!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Same here.

Exactly.

that's what you want to see.

Case in point.
you're talking to a bunch of non-Hebrew Gentiles on a forum owned and operated by a non-Hebrew Gentile.


Eternal life, the divine nature of YHVH, making me spiritually alive and you'll have to spend your eternity in the presence of a bunch of dirty dogs, cleansed by the blood of Jesus.


Yep!

Rather curious thing about this...

All
The
Nations
Of
The
Earth
Will
Be
Blessed
By
The
Seed
Of
Abraham.

Exactly as stated in revelation 7.

Rev 7:9 WEB After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could count, out of every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.

Just imagine all that filthy grime you'll have to spend your eternity with. I can't even begin to imagine how humilitiating that'll be for you.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles from every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages.... all cleansed by the blood of Jesus the Messiah of Israel.

Merry Jesus-mas!

Yeah, you keep believing that.

But tell me...who are these people being burned up?

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev. 20:7–9.

Who are they?

 

[SteveB]

Yeah, you keep believing that.

I am, and will!
Especially in light of

Joh 3:16-21 WEB 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only born Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the light and doesn’t come to the light, lest his works would be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God.”

I love how it says.....
whoever.
it doesn't say- if you're a Hebrew...
it says....
whoever!
so... yes! Actually.... i will keep believing that!

But tell me...who are these people being burned up?

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev. 20:7–9.

Who are they?

Rather curious that you stop when you are.
You need to keep reading.

Rev 20:10-15 WEB 10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet are also. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 I saw a great white throne and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. There was found no place for them. 12 I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Then,

Rev 21:8 WEB But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

 

[jeremiah1five]

I am, and will!
Especially in light of

Joh 3:16-21 WEB 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only born Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the light and doesn’t come to the light, lest his works would be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God.”

I love how it says.....
whoever.
it doesn't say- if you're a Hebrew...
it says....
whoever!
so... yes! Actually.... i will keep believing that!

The context refers to Jews. You miss everything here.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light [CHRIST] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [CHRIST], because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [CHRIST], neither cometh to the light [CHRIST], lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light [CHRIST], that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 3:18–21.

Rather curious that you stop when you are.
You need to keep reading.

Rev 20:10-15 WEB 10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet are also. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 I saw a great white throne and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. There was found no place for them. 12 I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Then,

Rev 21:8 WEB But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Now, if the Jews are finally given their Promised Land and only Jews/Hebrews live there (no Gentiles), then who are those that get burned up? They are Gentiles living outside of the land Promised God gave to the Jews.

And after Gentiles are burned up who's left on the planet?

Jews. (AKA Hebrews.) Abraham's seed.

 

[SteveB]

The context refers to Jews. You miss everything here.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light [CHRIST] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [CHRIST], because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [CHRIST], neither cometh to the light [CHRIST], lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light [CHRIST], that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 3:18–21.

Now, if the Jews are finally given their Promised Land and only Jews/Hebrews live there (no Gentiles), then who are those that get burned up? They are Gentiles living outside of the land Promised God gave to the Jews.

And after Gentiles are burned up who's left on the planet?

Jews. (AKA Hebrews.) Abraham's seed.

There you have it.
A completely unreliable source for truth.

It's always nice to see that you're there to make sure non-Hebrew Gentiles are only created to stoke the flames of hell.

That must make you really proud.

 

[jeremiah1five]

There you have it.
A completely unreliable source for truth.

It's always nice to see that you're there to make sure non-Hebrew Gentiles are only created to stoke the flames of hell.

That must make you really proud.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Rom. 8:28–30.

This destroys your false belief in Romans 10:9-10 as a formula for salvation.
God does the calling, not man. No one can tell the Holy Spirit to baptize them into the body of Christ. God does the electing and at the appointed time when a person is to be saved the Spirit FALLS upon them. There is no "confessing" in salvation. Those that are born again in the bible were first in covenant with God. Beginning with Abraham to Moses to Christ. Those in covenant that were celebrating the Feast of Harvest were pricked in the mind about this Jesus of Nazareth. Those that were born-again that day were in covenant with God to begin with. And by being in covenant with God these were also promised God's Spirit. Joel prophesied that God would give His Spirit to Israel.
There is no Scripture that says God promised His Spirit to Gentiles. Scripture cannot be broken.

As long as a person was the seed of Abraham, they were heirs according to the promise. This is why Saul said:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

Salvation is of the Jews - NOT Gentiles.

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom. 9:4–5.

Romans 9:4-5 is inclusive of what salvation is and TO WHOM it was promised. Salvation is OF THE JEWS (through Abraham.)

 

[SteveB]

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Rom. 8:28–30.

Yep. Exactly

This destroys your false belief in Romans 10:9-10 as a formula for salvation.

Nope.
we are indeed called.
we are invited to turn to YHVH from our sin, and place our trust in Jesus.
but, you keep making it clear that non Hebrew Gentiles only exist to stoke the fires of hell.
so, you've literally excluded yourself from being taken seriously as either a teacher or a preacher of the Bible and gospel of Jesus.

God does the calling, not man.

yep.

No one can tell the Holy Spirit to baptize them into the body of Christ.

yet according to Acts 10, the Holy Spirit did indeed baptize Cornelius and his household into the body of Christ, which was a complete and total surprise to the Jewish believers who came with Peter.

God does the electing and at the appointed time when a person is to be saved the Spirit FALLS upon them.

Apparently, he chooses non-Hebrew Gentiles to be saved too!

There is no "confessing" in salvation.

that's not what i read.

Dating all the way back to the Law, confessing sin is a necessity.

Lev 5:5 It shall be, when he is guilty of one of these, he shall confess that in which he has sinned;

Lev 16:21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, even all their sins; and he shall put them on the head of the goat, and shall send him away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who is ready.

Lev 26:40 “‘If they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, in their trespass which they trespassed against me; and also that because they walked contrary to me,

Num 5:7 then he shall confess his sin which he has done; and he shall make restitution for his guilt in full, add to it the fifth part of it, and give it to him in respect of whom he has been guilty.

Jos 7:19 Joshua said to Achan, “My son, please give glory to Yahweh, the God of Israel, and make confession to him. Tell me now what you have done! Don’t hide it from me!”

1Ki 8:33 “When your people Israel are struck down before the enemy because they have sinned against you, if they turn again to you and confess your name, and pray and make supplication to you in this house,

1Ki 8:35 “When the sky is shut up and there is no rain because they have sinned against you, if they pray toward this place and confess your name, and turn from their sin when you afflict them,

2Ch 6:24 “If your people Israel are struck down before the enemy because they have sinned against you, and they turn again and confess your name, and pray and make supplication before you in this house,

2Ch 6:26 “When the sky is shut up and there is no rain because they have sinned against you, if they pray toward this place and confess your name, and turn from their sin when you afflict them,

2Ch 30:22 Hezekiah spoke encouragingly to all the Levites who had good understanding in the service of Yahweh. So they ate throughout the feast for the seven days, offering sacrifices of peace offerings and making confession to Yahweh, the God of their fathers.

Ezr 10:1 Now while Ezra prayed and made confession, weeping and casting himself down before God’s house, there was gathered together to him out of Israel a very great assembly of men and women and children; for the people wept very bitterly.

Ezr 10:11 Now therefore make confession to Yahweh, the God of your fathers and do his pleasure. Separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from the foreign women.”

Neh 1:6 let your ear now be attentive and your eyes open, that you may listen to the prayer of your servant which I pray before you at this time, day and night, for the children of Israel your servants, while I confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against you. Yes, I and my father’s house have sinned.

Neh 9:2 The offspring of Israel separated themselves from all foreigners and stood and confessed their sins and the iniquities of their fathers.

Neh 9:3 They stood up in their place, and read in the book of the law of Yahweh their God a fourth part of the day; and a fourth part they confessed and worshiped Yahweh their God.

Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin to you. I didn’t hide my iniquity. I said, I will confess my transgressions to Yahweh, and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

Pro 28:13 He who conceals his sins doesn’t prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

Dan 9:4 I prayed to Yahweh my God, and made confession, and said, “Oh, Lord, the great and dreadful God, who keeps covenant and loving kindness with those who love him and keep his commandments,

Dan 9:20 While I was speaking, praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before Yahweh my God for the holy mountain of my God—

Mat 3:6 They were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.

Mat 10:32 Everyone therefore who confesses me before men, I will also confess him before my Father who is in heaven.

Mar 1:5 All the country of Judea and all those of Jerusalem went out to him. They were baptized by him in the Jordan river, confessing their sins.

Luk 12:8 “I tell you, everyone who confesses me before men, the Son of Man will also confess before the angels of God;

Joh 9:22 His parents said these things because they feared the Jews; for the Jews had already agreed that if any man would confess him as Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue.

Joh 12:42 Nevertheless, even many of the rulers believed in him, but because of the Pharisees they didn’t confess it, so that they wouldn’t be put out of the synagogue,

Act 19:18 Many also of those who had believed came, confessing and declaring their deeds.

Act 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor angel, nor spirit; but the Pharisees confess all of these.

Act 24:14 But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, so I serve the God of our fathers, believing all things which are according to the law, and which are written in the prophets;

Rom 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes resulting in righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made resulting in salvation.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, “‘As I live,’ says the Lord, ‘to me every knee will bow. Every tongue will confess to God.’”

2Co 9:13 seeing that through the proof given by this service, they glorify God for the obedience of your confession to the Good News of Christ and for the generosity of your contribution to them and to all,

Phi 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you confessed the good confession in the sight of many witnesses.

1Ti 6:13 I command you before God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who before Pontius Pilate testified the good confession,

Heb 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession: Jesus,

Heb 4:14 Having then a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let’s hold tightly to our confession.

Heb 10:23 let’s hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering; for he who promised is faithful.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen note them and embraced them from afar, and having confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Jas 5:16 Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective.

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us the sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jn 2:23 Whoever denies the Son doesn’t have the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.

1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,

1Jn 4:3 and every spirit who doesn’t confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God; and this is the spirit of the Antichrist, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.

1Jn 4:15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who don’t confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Antichrist.

Rev 3:5 He who overcomes will be arrayed in white garments, and I will in no way blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


Even YHVH commands us to acknowledge our iniquities and idolatry and he will receive us.

Jer 3:13 Only acknowledge your iniquity, that you have transgressed against Yahweh your God, and have scattered your ways to the strangers under every green tree, and you have not obeyed my voice,’” says Yahweh.

Those that are born again in the bible were first in covenant with God. Beginning with Abraham to Moses to Christ.

so you think that Jesus needed to be born again?
what do you think the new birth is?

Those in covenant that were celebrating the Feast of Harvest were pricked in the mind about this Jesus of Nazareth.

so you don't actually know Jesus?

Those that were born-again that day were in covenant with God to begin with.

now you're wandering

And by being in covenant with God these were also promised God's Spirit. Joel prophesied that God would give His Spirit to Israel.

Yep.

There is no Scripture that says God promised His Spirit to Gentiles.

Peter recognized otherwise.
you should read Acts 10.

Act 10: 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who heard the word. 45 They of the circumcision who believed were amazed, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was also poured out on the Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in other languages and magnifying God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just like us.” 48 He commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay some days.

Scripture cannot be broken.

Nope! It sure can't.
Yet you're telling us that non-Hebrew Gentiles cannot be saved.
I'd say that makes you a completely unreliable source of biblical truth.

As long as a person was the seed of Abraham, they were heirs according to the promise. This is why Saul said:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

It's ironic that you keep talking about a guy who died, and was raised to new life in Christ and was renamed Paul, as though Saul was still living.

Salvation is of the Jews - NOT Gentiles.

OF is different from FOR, also....
I never said salvation is OF the Gentiles.
salvati is FOR everyone who turns to YHVH from their sin and places their trust in Jesus Christ.

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom. 9:4–5.

Never said otherwise.

Romans 9:4-5 is inclusive of what salvation is and TO WHOM it was promised. Salvation is OF THE JEWS (through Abraham.)

I'm not seeing where OF means FOR....

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

There you have it.
A completely unreliable source for truth.

It's always nice to see that you're there to make sure non-Hebrew Gentiles are only created to stoke the flames of hell.

That must make you really proud.

in thy seed , that seed IS JESUS the CHRIST . yes indeed my friend .
Shall all nations be blessed . Those who beleive in HIM , both jew and gentile shall be blessed , shall be saved .
One gospel , one GOD , one LORD JESUS CHRIST . That is who we must preach .
Many preach of the flesh and behave as though the flesh profits a man when it does not .
YE must be born again . The true gospel is under attack .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

There you have it.
A completely unreliable source for truth.

It's always nice to see that you're there to make sure non-Hebrew Gentiles are only created to stoke the flames of hell.

That must make you really proud.

He clearly does not understand who is of the seed of abraham . FAITH . in thy seed which is CHRIST .
Its the jew and gentile who Believes on JESUS the CHRIST . That was the plan of GOD himself .
Paul even told the gentile believers in Christ ye are of faithful abraham . THE PROMISE was always about JESUS the CHRIST .
For GOD , it pleased HIM that by the foolishness of preaching to save those who BELEIVE .
jew or gentile . And let us take note of how often even paul warned the hebrews , jews , who did not beleive
their blood be upon them, from hence forth we go unto the gentiles .
This man unto whom you are debating with is a follower of a flesh produced gospel of man .
That gospel will save none and it does DENY the WORK and working of GOD ALLMIGHTY
who sent the SON to save all who do BELIEVE . Very dangerous are these other gospels and they will save none .
You just keep sticking to scripture my friend .
And beware for many often twist scrips to fit mans ideas , they do so unto their own destruction and the destruction
of all who take heed to their doctrines . There is one gospel and it is for both the jew and gentile .
ALL who BELEIVE IN JESUS the CHRIST , CALL UPON HIM shall be saved . Beleiving GOD rose HIM from the dead
and confessing Him by mouth . And we teach ALL things He taught . to observe all things I have commanded you .
The SPIRIT is promised unto all who do beleive . As you wrote afore when proving this when peter entered in
to the house of cornelious and preached the gospel and the SPIRIT Fell upon the gentiles .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

All good suggestions @Rockerduck @Administrator

We do have some of them here

march onward in the LORD my friend .

 

[civic]

march onward in the LORD my friend .

Amen you too !!!

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Amen you too !!!

boots on , sword at the ready , the lie has come to decieve and to merge the decieved as one under what all will
beleive is love and of God . its pappy is a liar . It has denied the LOVE of GOD
and sold a version of love that is of the world and that all humanity will see as love and as loving . watch out
its rolling in quickly now . Strap all armour on and prepare to count the cost cause the lambs WILL NOT be LOVED
by those whose love is of the world .

 

[Dizerner]

You should add a few AI accounts to fill out the forum.