Jesus & The Fiery Serpents

[Olde Tymer]

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● John 3:14-17 . . As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must
the Son of Man be lifted up; that whoever believes may in him have eternal life. For
God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever believes
in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

That was Jesus making use of an incident that took place in Numbers 21:5-9

Long story short: Moses' people became weary of eating manna all the time at
every meal. But instead of courteously, and diplomatically, petitioning their divine
benefactor for a different diet, they became indignant and confrontational; angrily
demanding better accommodations.

In response to their insolence, and their ingratitude for His providence; God sent a
swarm of deadly poisonous snakes amongst them; which began striking people;
and every strike was 100% fatal, no exceptions.

After a number of people died, the rest came to their senses and begged Moses to
intercede. In reply; The Lord instructed Moses to fashion a replica of the snakes
and hoist it up on a pole in plain view so that everyone dying from snakebite could
look to it for relief.

The key issue here is that the replica was the only God-given remedy for the
people's condition-- not sacrifices and offerings, not tithing, not church attendance,
not scapulars, not confession, not holy days of obligation, not the Sabbath, not
rosaries, not weeping, not the golden rule, not charity, not Bible study, yeshiva,
catechism, and/or Sunday school, not self denial, not vows of poverty, not the Ten
Commandments, nor even one's ideology of choice, i.e. it wouldn't have mattered
whether somebody was Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Buddhist, Catholic, Protestant, Baha'i,
Atheist, Agnostic, Pagan, or whatever-- the replica was it; nothing else would
suffice to save their lives.

As an allegory, the replica speaks of Christ's crucifixion for the sins of the world as
the only God-given rescue from retribution and perdition; and when people accept
it, then according to John 3:14-17 and John 5:24, they qualify for a transfer from
death into life. Those who reject his crucifixion as the only God-given rescue from
the sum of all fears, are on the docket to face it.

● John 3:18 . .Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not
believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of
God's one and only son.

FAQ: How might one go about looking to Jesus like those folks back then looked to
that replica?

REPLY: I recommend RSVP.

Find a quiet place; anywhere will do. Cover you face with your hands for a sense of
connection, and tell God-- under your breath or out loud if you like --that you have
never yet measured up to His standards and you're pretty sure you never will. Tell
Him you would like to take advantage of His son's death to protect yourself from
retribution.
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[101G]

Good point,
May 101G add something? .... thanks. this also goes back to garden of Eden. scripture, Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
question, "What is in the serpent head?" answer, fangs, and what's in those fangs? answer, POISON. and poison do what? kill one dies. scripture, Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." what happen to the people in the wilderness when bitten? answer they died. they needed a snake poison antidote, to counter act the venom from the snake. this is why all medicine don't taste good, because they are derived from the natural source. from snakes and their poison. which comes, snake antidote. the blood of Christ is the ... "ANTI-VENOM" to disobedience.

just as snake venom is injected into the body by the snake, with blood spilled at the injection point. the work of Christ, by spilling blood on the cross, (the injection point), meaning the work on the cross. the Spirit/the ANTI-VENOM" to disobedience, works on the inside of us to ETERNAL LIFE.

may God bless and keep all of us healed.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

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● John 3:14-17 . . As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must
the Son of Man be lifted up; that whoever believes may in him have eternal life. For
God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever believes
in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

That was Jesus making use of an incident that took place in Numbers 21:5-9

Long story short: Moses' people became weary of eating manna all the time at
every meal. But instead of courteously, and diplomatically, petitioning their divine
benefactor for a different diet, they became indignant and confrontational; angrily
demanding better accommodations.

In response to their insolence, and their ingratitude for His providence; God sent a
swarm of deadly poisonous snakes amongst them; which began striking people;
and every strike was 100% fatal, no exceptions.

After a number of people died, the rest came to their senses and begged Moses to
intercede. In reply; The Lord instructed Moses to fashion a replica of the snakes
and hoist it up on a pole in plain view so that everyone dying from snakebite could
look to it for relief.

The key issue here is that the replica was the only God-given remedy for the
people's condition-- not sacrifices and offerings, not tithing, not church attendance,
not scapulars, not confession, not holy days of obligation, not the Sabbath, not
rosaries, not weeping, not the golden rule, not charity, not Bible study, yeshiva,
catechism, and/or Sunday school, not self denial, not vows of poverty, not the Ten
Commandments, nor even one's ideology of choice, i.e. it wouldn't have mattered
whether somebody was Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Buddhist, Catholic, Protestant, Baha'i,
Atheist, Agnostic, Pagan, or whatever-- the replica was it; nothing else would
suffice to save their lives.

As an allegory, the replica speaks of Christ's crucifixion for the sins of the world as
the only God-given rescue from retribution and perdition; and when people accept
it, then according to John 3:14-17 and John 5:24, they qualify for a transfer from
death into life. Those who reject his crucifixion as the only God-given rescue from
the sum of all fears, are on the docket to face it.

● John 3:18 . .Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not
believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of
God's one and only son.

FAQ: How might one go about looking to Jesus like those folks back then looked to
that replica?

REPLY: I recommend RSVP.

Find a quiet place; anywhere will do. Cover you face with your hands for a sense of
connection, and tell God-- under your breath or out loud if you like --that you have
never yet measured up to His standards and you're pretty sure you never will. Tell
Him you would like to take advantage of His son's death to protect yourself from
retribution.
_

It doesn't work that way.
One must first have their name written by God in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world (Rev. 13: 8.)
Then their prayers are open to the LORD of Hosts.
Everyone else, their prayer is sin ("misses the mark.")
You see, God is the only One who knows whose name is written there.
In that case and based upon that He chooses us, we don't choose Him.

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. John 15:16.

Salvation is of the LORD (Jonah 2:9.)

 

[101G]

It doesn't work that way.
One must first have their name written by God in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world (Rev. 13: 8.)
Then their prayers are open to the LORD of Hosts.
Everyone else, their prayer is sin ("misses the mark.")
You see, God is the only One who knows whose name is written there.
In that case and based upon that He chooses us, we don't choose Him.

Malachi 3:13 "Your words have been stout against me, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee?" Malachi 3:14 "Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD of hosts?" Malachi 3:15 "And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered." Malachi 3:16 "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name." Malachi 3:17 "And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him." Malachi 3:18 "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not."

101G.

 

[Quintus5]

One must first have their name written by God in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world (Rev. 13: 8.)
Then their prayers are open to the LORD of Hosts.

Everyone else, their prayer is sin ("misses the mark.")

I wonder what the percentages are of folk who are going to be saved because God chose them? I wonder if I am sinning when I pray? God, who usually tells you what sin is and defines it, ain't tellin' you. Oh wait a minute, He does--it's like that burning i n the bosom that the LDS talk about, but different.
The best part of this is that it singles certain people out-- and the ones who tell us appear to be full of pride (which I thought was a sin, but what do I know?)
When Jesus said you could tell His disciples because they have love for one another, that doesn't mean they have to love everyone--you can be a snotz and still be one of the chosen.
It makes sense--as much as every Israelite will be saved , which has to include good ole' Dathan, Caiaphas, and Judas.

I wonder how our proud Jeremiah explains Matt 21:33-43.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I wonder what the percentages are of folk who are going to be saved because God chose them?

All of them.

I wonder if I am sinning when I pray? God, who usually tells you what sin is and defines it, ain't tellin' you. Oh wait a minute, He does--it's like that burning i n the bosom that the LDS talk about, but different.
The best part of this is that it singles certain people out-- and the ones who tell us appear to be full of pride (which I thought was a sin, but what do I know?)

Pride is not a sin. Inordinate pride is. When you think yourself more highly than you ought is sinful. God is prideful, every time He says with His arm " delivered you from the bondage in Egypt." On can claim the truth about oneself and it be not pride or sin. God is love and God "seeketh His own" and "love that suffers long." God is longsuffering, is He not"? I think you need to be discipled under the anointing and get right doctrine in your soul. And you probably think "puffed up" means prideful, don't you?

When Jesus said you could tell His disciples because they have love for one another, that doesn't mean they have to love everyone--you can be a snotz and still be one of the chosen.
It makes sense--as much as every Israelite will be saved , which has to include good ole' Dathan, Caiaphas, and Judas.

If they are Abraham's seed, yes, they will be saved. God made Promises to exactly that. There's a reason why God is longsuffering. He's trying to get His people over the finish line.

I wonder how our proud Jeremiah explains Matt 21:33-43.

God made promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God made promises to the children of Israel. God will keep every promise He's made to those in covenant with Him. That's the basis of covenant: Promises.

 

[Quintus5]

Pride is too a sin. And I'd bet dollars to donuts you didnt read Matt 21:33-4the parable of the tenants.
35;“The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36;Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.


38“But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.


40“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”


41;“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”


42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’
43;“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

Also, why are you telling me to be discipled under some anointing? If you say that we are rejected who are not jewish, what difference does it make whether I'm anointed or not. You have zero love for your fellow man. That is all I need to know.

Do you know what your house is left unto you desolate means? Was Jerusalem destroyed in 70 AD? And you never answered--if all of Israel will be saved is only about Israelites, what about Dathan, Caiaphas, and Judas?

Isaiah 42:6

“I the Lord have called thee in righteousness... and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles.”

Isaiah 49:6

“...I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”

Gee, wonder why God is doing this if all He wants to do is destroy us?
And something further. If everyone saved is like you, I wouldn't want to be saved. I would like to be more like Jesus; loving and kind, not someone who thinks their stuff doesn't stink.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Pride is too a sin. And I'd bet dollars to donuts you didnt read Matt 21:33-4the parable of the tenants.
35;“The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36;Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.


38“But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.


40“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”


41;“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”


42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’
43;“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

Also, why are you telling me to be discipled under some anointing? If you say that we are rejected who are not jewish, what difference does it make whether I'm anointed or not. You have zero love for your fellow man. That is all I need to know.

Do you know what your house is left unto you desolate means? Was Jerusalem destroyed in 70 AD? And you never answered--if all of Israel will be saved is only about Israelites, what about Dathan, Caiaphas, and Judas?

Isaiah 42:6


Isaiah 49:6

“...I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”

Gee, wonder why God is doing this if all He wants to do is destroy us?
And something further. If everyone saved is like you, I wouldn't want to be saved. I would like to be more like Jesus; loving and kind, not someone who thinks their stuff doesn't stink.

I read it. I must so I can know what you're talking about and check your source to make sure you're not adding to the Bible (you are) and that you are not misinterpreting Scripture (you are.)

There is no requirement for faith in the Abraham Covenant.
There is no requirement for faith in the Mosaic Covenant (but there is for 'obedience.')
There is no requirement for faith in the New Covenant, and the New covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ. This is what Jesus Christ accomplished on His cross: the total and complete forgiveness of God of His covenant people Israel. Israel has been completely absolved of all sin.

For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.

This forgiveness of all sin is applied to the House of Israel and the House of Judah. All twelve tribes. Abraham's seed and mixed heritage Hebrews are declared by God, "Not Guilty!"
The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Christ. Rabbi Saul understood this which is why he wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians ion the Galatian region:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:3–5.

All Israel from Abraham going forward, if they are Abraham's seed, are absolved of all sin according to Scripture.